stripped lugnuts
02-28-2007, 04:01 PM
#11
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Re: stripped lugnuts
Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
tw
--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
tw
--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
02-28-2007, 04:01 PM
#12
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Re: stripped lugnuts
Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
tw
--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
tw
--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
02-28-2007, 04:01 PM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
tw
--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
tw
--
__________________________________________________ ___________________
2003 TJ Rubicon * 2001 XJ Sport * 1971 Bill Stroppe Baja Bronco
"There is a very fine line between 'hobby' and 'mental illness'."
Pronunciation: 'jEp Function: noun Date: 1940
Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80" wheelbase, 1/4-ton
capacity and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in World War II.
__________________________________________________ ___________________
02-28-2007, 04:17 PM
#14
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Re: stripped lugnuts
The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
nothing else fit
twaldron wrote:
> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
> try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
> them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
>
> tw
>
nothing else fit
twaldron wrote:
> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
> try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
> them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
>
> tw
>
02-28-2007, 04:17 PM
#15
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Re: stripped lugnuts
The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
nothing else fit
twaldron wrote:
> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
> try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
> them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
>
> tw
>
nothing else fit
twaldron wrote:
> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
> try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
> them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
>
> tw
>
02-28-2007, 04:17 PM
#16
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Re: stripped lugnuts
The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
nothing else fit
twaldron wrote:
> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
> try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
> them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
>
> tw
>
nothing else fit
twaldron wrote:
> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If you
> try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up rounding
> them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or completely off.
>
> tw
>
02-28-2007, 04:22 PM
#17
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Re: stripped lugnuts
Well, I have no _good_ ideas, except that is it possible that you are using
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench?
If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight,
then the likely result will be rounded corners.
I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm
instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a
length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of
Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight.
I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is
a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be
metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and
fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a
buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide
mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner
set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In
many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from
one socket instead of the other.
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org...
> OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
> have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem
> too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p )
> Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions?
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> Are they stripped or stuck?
>>
>> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but
>> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd
>> say the two are completely different problems.
>>
>> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This
>> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org...
>>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
>>> here goes.
>>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
>>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
>>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
>>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
>>> a half.
>>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
>>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
>>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
>>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>>>
>>> some crappy pictures here:
>>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>>>
>>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
>>> nuts on top is my best option.
>>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
>>> How should I do this without damaging the studs?
>>
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench?
If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight,
then the likely result will be rounded corners.
I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm
instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a
length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of
Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight.
I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is
a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be
metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and
fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a
buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide
mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner
set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In
many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from
one socket instead of the other.
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org...
> OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
> have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem
> too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p )
> Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions?
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> Are they stripped or stuck?
>>
>> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but
>> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd
>> say the two are completely different problems.
>>
>> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This
>> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org...
>>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
>>> here goes.
>>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
>>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
>>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
>>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
>>> a half.
>>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
>>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
>>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
>>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>>>
>>> some crappy pictures here:
>>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>>>
>>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
>>> nuts on top is my best option.
>>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
>>> How should I do this without damaging the studs?
>>
02-28-2007, 04:22 PM
#18
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Re: stripped lugnuts
Well, I have no _good_ ideas, except that is it possible that you are using
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench?
If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight,
then the likely result will be rounded corners.
I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm
instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a
length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of
Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight.
I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is
a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be
metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and
fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a
buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide
mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner
set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In
many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from
one socket instead of the other.
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org...
> OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
> have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem
> too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p )
> Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions?
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> Are they stripped or stuck?
>>
>> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but
>> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd
>> say the two are completely different problems.
>>
>> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This
>> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org...
>>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
>>> here goes.
>>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
>>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
>>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
>>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
>>> a half.
>>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
>>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
>>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
>>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>>>
>>> some crappy pictures here:
>>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>>>
>>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
>>> nuts on top is my best option.
>>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
>>> How should I do this without damaging the studs?
>>
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench?
If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight,
then the likely result will be rounded corners.
I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm
instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a
length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of
Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight.
I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is
a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be
metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and
fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a
buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide
mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner
set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In
many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from
one socket instead of the other.
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org...
> OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
> have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem
> too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p )
> Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions?
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> Are they stripped or stuck?
>>
>> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but
>> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd
>> say the two are completely different problems.
>>
>> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This
>> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org...
>>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
>>> here goes.
>>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
>>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
>>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
>>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
>>> a half.
>>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
>>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
>>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
>>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>>>
>>> some crappy pictures here:
>>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>>>
>>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
>>> nuts on top is my best option.
>>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
>>> How should I do this without damaging the studs?
>>
02-28-2007, 04:22 PM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: stripped lugnuts
Well, I have no _good_ ideas, except that is it possible that you are using
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench?
If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight,
then the likely result will be rounded corners.
I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm
instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a
length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of
Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight.
I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is
a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be
metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and
fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a
buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide
mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner
set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In
many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from
one socket instead of the other.
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org...
> OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
> have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem
> too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p )
> Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions?
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> Are they stripped or stuck?
>>
>> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but
>> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd
>> say the two are completely different problems.
>>
>> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This
>> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org...
>>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
>>> here goes.
>>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
>>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
>>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
>>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
>>> a half.
>>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
>>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
>>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
>>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>>>
>>> some crappy pictures here:
>>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>>>
>>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
>>> nuts on top is my best option.
>>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
>>> How should I do this without damaging the studs?
>>
a fraction wrench when you should be using a metric wrench?
If your selected fraction is a bit oversize, and the nuts are stuck tight,
then the likely result will be rounded corners.
I'd suggest trying some other sizes that are not intuitive, maybe an 17mm
instead of 3/4". I'd also try a 1/2" drive with a breaker bar and perhaps a
length of pipe to give you added leverage. I also suggest a good squirt of
Liquid Wrench, and allow it to soak in overnight.
I am not sure what the actual size is of the lug nuts, but I think there is
a good chance you assume fraction sizes where your selection should be
metric. They use a size called USO that tries to use universal (metric and
fraction) sizes that compliment one another. Having said that, I helped a
buddy install a lift kit to his TJ, and we found that there were a wide
mixture of metric and fraction sizes, occasionally on the same fasterner
set -- the nut would be one while the head of the bolt would be another. In
many cases, the sizes were close, but we definitely got a better fit from
one socket instead of the other.
"The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:es4n33$db9$1@aioe.org...
> OK, yeah they're stuck. The flats, not the threads, are the problem and
> have indeed rounded off. Although I guess the threads are the problem
> too, as they are stuck (not stripped :p )
> Thanks, Jeff - any suggestions?
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> Are they stripped or stuck?
>>
>> Stripped means they simply spin, without getting (typically) tighter, but
>> I suppose they could spin without getting looser. In my experience, I'd
>> say the two are completely different problems.
>>
>> Your description looks to me as though the flats are rounding off. This
>> implies the nuts are frozen in place (stuck).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "The Merg" <greg.mergner@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:es4hvm$1u7$1@aioe.org...
>>> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
>>> here goes.
>>> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
>>> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
>>> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
>>> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
>>> a half.
>>> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
>>> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
>>> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
>>> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>>>
>>> some crappy pictures here:
>>> http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>>>
>>> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
>>> nuts on top is my best option.
>>> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
>>> How should I do this without damaging the studs?
>>
02-28-2007, 05:18 PM
#20
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Posts: n/a
Re: stripped lugnuts
Those are the correct sizes.
You can get reverse sockets now. They have a spiral grip bit and grab
harder the harder you turn. I have heard those do good things.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
The Merg wrote:
> The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
> nothing else fit
>
> twaldron wrote:
>> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If
>> you try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up
>> rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or
>> completely off.
>>
>> tw
>>
You can get reverse sockets now. They have a spiral grip bit and grab
harder the harder you turn. I have heard those do good things.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
The Merg wrote:
> The caps are 3/4" and the inner nuts are 18mm. I've tried other sizes,
> nothing else fit
>
> twaldron wrote:
>> Those nuts are the 'correct' size with that sheetmetal cap on it. If
>> you try and loosen stuck nuts with the same socket, you'll end up
>> rounding them. Try a socket 1mm smaller if the cap is wasted or
>> completely off.
>>
>> tw
>>
