stripped lugnuts
03-01-2007, 05:48 PM
#51
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Feb 28, 7:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
>
> If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque
> settings too or it is bad information.
>
> There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and
> stud vs a wet one and the books give dry....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> merrill wrote:
> > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
> > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets).
>
> > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with
> > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will
> > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40).
> > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some
> > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the
> > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that
> > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet.
>
> > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the
> > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque
> > wrench. Retorque after 1 week.
>
> > Merrill
>
> > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
> >> here goes.
> >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
> >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
> >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
> >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
> >> a half.
> >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
> >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
You are right Mike, I don't have wet torque specs.
I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
driving and haven't had a problem yet.
Merrill
> >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
> >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>
> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>
> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
> >> nuts on top is my best option.
> >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
> >> How should I do this without damaging the studs?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
>
> If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque
> settings too or it is bad information.
>
> There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and
> stud vs a wet one and the books give dry....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> merrill wrote:
> > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
> > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets).
>
> > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with
> > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will
> > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40).
> > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some
> > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the
> > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that
> > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet.
>
> > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the
> > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque
> > wrench. Retorque after 1 week.
>
> > Merrill
>
> > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
> >> here goes.
> >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
> >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
> >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
> >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
> >> a half.
> >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
> >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
You are right Mike, I don't have wet torque specs.
I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
driving and haven't had a problem yet.
Merrill
> >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
> >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>
> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>
> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
> >> nuts on top is my best option.
> >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
> >> How should I do this without damaging the studs?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
03-01-2007, 05:48 PM
#52
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Feb 28, 7:24 pm, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
>
> If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque
> settings too or it is bad information.
>
> There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and
> stud vs a wet one and the books give dry....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> merrill wrote:
> > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
> > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets).
>
> > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with
> > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will
> > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40).
> > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some
> > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the
> > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that
> > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet.
>
> > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the
> > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque
> > wrench. Retorque after 1 week.
>
> > Merrill
>
> > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
> >> here goes.
> >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
> >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
> >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
> >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
> >> a half.
> >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
> >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
You are right Mike, I don't have wet torque specs.
I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
driving and haven't had a problem yet.
Merrill
> >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
> >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>
> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>
> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
> >> nuts on top is my best option.
> >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
> >> How should I do this without damaging the studs?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Curious, where did you find the 'wet' torque values for your lug nuts?
>
> If you are promoting a fluid on the threads, you should post the torque
> settings too or it is bad information.
>
> There is a 'radical' difference in the torque values on a dry nut and
> stud vs a wet one and the books give dry....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
>
> merrill wrote:
> > I replaced mine with the 1 piece solid long chrome lugnuts. If you
> > want my old 2 piece lugnuts you can have them (2 sets).
>
> > Now that you have the cheap caps ripped off and you are left with
> > regular lugnuts, use the proper size wrench to remove them. you will
> > need to soak them for a day or 2 with good petetrating oil (not WD40).
> > Use a good cross or breaker bar with a long pipe on it. Put some
> > pressure on it and have a buddy hold a flat piece of metal over the
> > exposed end of the cross and whack it with a 3 pound mallet. If that
> > doesen't work, repeat with a little more pressure and a heaver mallet.
>
> > When I put the lugnuts on, I put a little "fluid film"TM on the
> > threads and torque them properly. Don't use a gun, always use a torque
> > wrench. Retorque after 1 week.
>
> > Merrill
>
> > On Feb 28, 1:34 pm, The Merg <greg.merg...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
> >> I know there have been plenty of bolt removal questions on here, but
> >> here goes.
> >> The lugnuts on the front of my XJ are @#$#ed. I was able to get 4 or 5
> >> of 10 off no problem, but the others wouldn't budge. These seem like
> >> really crappy lugs, not one piece but two pieces with the nut and a cap.
> >> I've sprayed PB and tapped on the nuts every night for about a week and
> >> a half.
> >> I've been alternating between a breaker bar and impact wrench, and
> >> basically I've succeeded in breaking off most of the caps and stripping
You are right Mike, I don't have wet torque specs.
I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
driving and haven't had a problem yet.
Merrill
> >> the nuts. The nuts don't seem to be stripping like I'm used to, it's
> >> more like they deform, like they're made of lead.
>
> >> some crappy pictures here:http://s143.photobucket.com/albums/r...ripped%20lugs/
>
> >> I don't have a welder, but I could probably take it somewhere if welding
> >> nuts on top is my best option.
> >> I'm afraid to drill because of the studs.
> >> How should I do this without damaging the studs?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
03-01-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
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"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Merrill
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"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Merrill
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03-01-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
90 to 110: http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
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mailto:--------------------
"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Merrill
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mailto:--------------------
"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Merrill
--
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03-01-2007, 06:30 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
90 to 110: http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
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mailto:--------------------
"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Merrill
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mailto:--------------------
"merrill" <merrill@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> Merrill
--
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03-01-2007, 09:11 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Mar 1, 6:30 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@***.net>
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
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wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
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03-01-2007, 09:11 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Mar 1, 6:30 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@***.net>
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
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03-01-2007, 09:11 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Mar 1, 6:30 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@***.net>
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
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03-01-2007, 09:20 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Mar 1, 6:30 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@***.net>
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
Thank you Bill
This is not the first time the Haynes manual has given me bad
information. I have 3 XJs with alloy wheels so I don't like to take a
chance on wheels coming loose.
I don't like to pass on bad information. Mike is right, I only use a
drop of fluid film on the threads so the lugnuts spin on easily and
come off easily. But it works for me and I would not want anyone to
think this means that if a little is good then soaking the threads is
better. This could be really dangerous. I do it but I shouldn't
recommend it for others
Merrill
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
Thank you Bill
This is not the first time the Haynes manual has given me bad
information. I have 3 XJs with alloy wheels so I don't like to take a
chance on wheels coming loose.
I don't like to pass on bad information. Mike is right, I only use a
drop of fluid film on the threads so the lugnuts spin on easily and
come off easily. But it works for me and I would not want anyone to
think this means that if a little is good then soaking the threads is
better. This could be really dangerous. I do it but I shouldn't
recommend it for others
Merrill
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
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03-01-2007, 09:20 PM
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Re: stripped lugnuts
On Mar 1, 6:30 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@***.net>
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
Thank you Bill
This is not the first time the Haynes manual has given me bad
information. I have 3 XJs with alloy wheels so I don't like to take a
chance on wheels coming loose.
I don't like to pass on bad information. Mike is right, I only use a
drop of fluid film on the threads so the lugnuts spin on easily and
come off easily. But it works for me and I would not want anyone to
think this means that if a little is good then soaking the threads is
better. This could be really dangerous. I do it but I shouldn't
recommend it for others
Merrill
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com
wrote:
> 90 to 110:http://www.----------.com/lugnutor.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
Thank you Bill
This is not the first time the Haynes manual has given me bad
information. I have 3 XJs with alloy wheels so I don't like to take a
chance on wheels coming loose.
I don't like to pass on bad information. Mike is right, I only use a
drop of fluid film on the threads so the lugnuts spin on easily and
come off easily. But it works for me and I would not want anyone to
think this means that if a little is good then soaking the threads is
better. This could be really dangerous. I do it but I shouldn't
recommend it for others
Merrill
> mailto:LW------...@aol.com
>
> "merrill" <merr...@can.rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> > I have always put a drop on the threads and tightened to 75 ft/lb as
> > per the Haynes manual. I didn't specify this number because it could
> > be wrong. But wet or dry I have always retourqued after a few days of
> > driving and haven't had a problem yet.
>
> > Merrill
>
> --
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