Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
02-28-2006, 06:39 PM
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Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
So I have some basic questions.
1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
bench bled.
2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
Thanks
I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
So I have some basic questions.
1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
bench bled.
2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
Thanks
02-28-2006, 06:55 PM
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Re: Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
1) Yes and yes. I have seen folks use a plastic cap over the brake line
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
02-28-2006, 06:55 PM
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Re: Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
1) Yes and yes. I have seen folks use a plastic cap over the brake line
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
02-28-2006, 06:55 PM
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Re: Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
1) Yes and yes. I have seen folks use a plastic cap over the brake line
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
02-28-2006, 06:55 PM
#9
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Re: Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
1) Yes and yes. I have seen folks use a plastic cap over the brake line
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
flare and I have used pieces of tree branch to plug them, others might
have more suggestions. The plug stops the mess only.
2) Yup. A) If the fluid leaks out of one side, you will have to bleed
all 4 starting with the one farthest away. It is 'very' unlikely you
can get the line plugged fast enough to not need a 4 wheel bleed because
air gets to the combination valve easy. You 'might' be able to get away
with bleeding just the backs, but....
3) never used one, can't help there.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
ufatbastehd wrote:
>
> I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
> Thanks
02-28-2006, 07:05 PM
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Re: Stoopid ?? for first time brake work
The brake fluid will slowly drip out. Keep the master cylinder full so it
doesn't go dry.
***DO NOT press the brake pedal while the system is open and you'll not have
to bench bleed.
***DO NOT press the brake pedal while the drums are off, or while the
calipers are off the vehicle. You'll pop the pistons out of the cylinders.
You can gravity bleed the rear, then properly pressure bleed the system once
you have the new rear end in place.
Yes, the rear and front are separated systems. The big part of the master
cylinder reservoir is for the front brakes, small part for the rear brakes.
You shouldn't have to, but should bleed the front brakes anyway, 1. To be
sure the air is out, and: 2. You need to refresh (change) the brake fluid
from time to time, and 3. It'll give you a better brake job, overall.
I have no experience with Summit Speed bleeders, but I do with others. It
does make it easier, but you need to be able to understand how to bleed
brakes to start with in order to use something like that.
Like Bill Kearney said, get a manual, one that explains it in detail, and
better yet, find a friend that knows brakes and has experience with it.
Good luck.
Spdloader
"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141169948.206899.103660@t39g2000cwt.googlegr oups.com...
>I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
>
> Thanks
>
doesn't go dry.
***DO NOT press the brake pedal while the system is open and you'll not have
to bench bleed.
***DO NOT press the brake pedal while the drums are off, or while the
calipers are off the vehicle. You'll pop the pistons out of the cylinders.
You can gravity bleed the rear, then properly pressure bleed the system once
you have the new rear end in place.
Yes, the rear and front are separated systems. The big part of the master
cylinder reservoir is for the front brakes, small part for the rear brakes.
You shouldn't have to, but should bleed the front brakes anyway, 1. To be
sure the air is out, and: 2. You need to refresh (change) the brake fluid
from time to time, and 3. It'll give you a better brake job, overall.
I have no experience with Summit Speed bleeders, but I do with others. It
does make it easier, but you need to be able to understand how to bleed
brakes to start with in order to use something like that.
Like Bill Kearney said, get a manual, one that explains it in detail, and
better yet, find a friend that knows brakes and has experience with it.
Good luck.
Spdloader
"ufatbastehd" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1141169948.206899.103660@t39g2000cwt.googlegr oups.com...
>I posted earlier re the T connection on the rear axle of my 91 YJ.
> I'm soon to do an axle swap and have zero experience with brakes.
>
> So I have some basic questions.
>
> 1/ For the rear, when I unbolt the line end opposite the T at the
> frame does all the brake fluid pour out? I'm concerned that all my
> brake fluid will leak out and then I will have to have my master cyl
> bench bled.
> 2/ I was told the rear and fronts are seperate systems is that true?
> 2A/ If so when I do my axle swap for the front I'm keeping the calipers
> that are on my rig now and will not undo the brake line to the caliper.
> Does this mean I dont have to bleed the front brakes?
> 3/ I bought speed bleeders for the front and back from Summit racing.
> Is it true you can bleed your brakes by yourself with these?
>
>
> Can someone tell me in very simple terms what the answers are.
>
>
> Thanks
>