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DougW wrote:
>
> I found those in the box after the starter I put
> in my old C-10 did a good impression of a jet taking off.
> Went from just replacing the nose and bushing to a
> rebuild.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

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DougW wrote:
>
> I found those in the box after the starter I put
> in my old C-10 did a good impression of a jet taking off.
> Went from just replacing the nose and bushing to a
> rebuild.

Michael White

After my second cheap-o starter started acting up, I switched to MeanGreen.
Good thing I did, too, because my clutch linkage went out the very next
weekend and I had to start the Jeep while in second gear. About ten times.
:).
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

HomeBrewer (85cj7XXX@***.net) wrote on Wednesday 23 March 2005 06:37 pm:

> Thanks for the input. I took the starter to the part store and had it
> bench tested. It failed. They replaced it free since I had the receipt and
> it was
> purchased 12/10/04. For $37 I guess you get what you pay for. I'm gonna
> have someone look at the alignment and see if it needs shims. It doesn't
> sound bad when starting, it sounds nice_and_ cranks right up. If I can't
> get those rebuilts to last more than 4 months I might just buy a mean
> green or something.
>

Michael White

After my second cheap-o starter started acting up, I switched to MeanGreen.
Good thing I did, too, because my clutch linkage went out the very next
weekend and I had to start the Jeep while in second gear. About ten times.
:).
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

HomeBrewer (85cj7XXX@***.net) wrote on Wednesday 23 March 2005 06:37 pm:

> Thanks for the input. I took the starter to the part store and had it
> bench tested. It failed. They replaced it free since I had the receipt and
> it was
> purchased 12/10/04. For $37 I guess you get what you pay for. I'm gonna
> have someone look at the alignment and see if it needs shims. It doesn't
> sound bad when starting, it sounds nice_and_ cranks right up. If I can't
> get those rebuilts to last more than 4 months I might just buy a mean
> green or something.
>

Michael White

After my second cheap-o starter started acting up, I switched to MeanGreen.
Good thing I did, too, because my clutch linkage went out the very next
weekend and I had to start the Jeep while in second gear. About ten times.
:).
--
Michael White "To protect people from the effects of folly is to
fill the world with fools." -Herbert Spencer, 1891

HomeBrewer (85cj7XXX@***.net) wrote on Wednesday 23 March 2005 06:37 pm:

> Thanks for the input. I took the starter to the part store and had it
> bench tested. It failed. They replaced it free since I had the receipt and
> it was
> purchased 12/10/04. For $37 I guess you get what you pay for. I'm gonna
> have someone look at the alignment and see if it needs shims. It doesn't
> sound bad when starting, it sounds nice_and_ cranks right up. If I can't
> get those rebuilts to last more than 4 months I might just buy a mean
> green or something.
>

HomeBrewer

> After my second cheap-o starter started acting up, I switched to
> MeanGreen.

I quit counting after 5 starters in the past 6 years....not the same engine
or jeep either.

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of the man that's doing it."

HomeBrewer

> After my second cheap-o starter started acting up, I switched to
> MeanGreen.

I quit counting after 5 starters in the past 6 years....not the same engine
or jeep either.

--
___________________
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http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
http://85cj7.webhop.net/
http://funfacts.webhop.org/
"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way
of the man that's doing it."

HomeBrewer

> After my second cheap-o starter started acting up, I switched to
> MeanGreen.

I quit counting after 5 starters in the past 6 years....not the same engine
or jeep either.

--
___________________
HomeBrewer
http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
http://85cj7.webhop.net/
http://funfacts.webhop.org/
"When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way
of the man that's doing it."

Mike Romain

All you need to do is look close at the starter nose gear and the
flywheel teeth. If the starter isn't lining up, the gears will show
wear marks in the wrong places. Like the flywheel teeth will start to
round off or you will see bad marks in the bottom of the gear V shape
with maybe the odd mark on the front of the teeth.

I think there is a way to check for sure with a feeler gauge with the
front bottom inspection cover off. Bill might have those directions.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input. I took the starter to the part store and had it bench
> tested. It failed. They replaced it free since I had the receipt and it was
> purchased 12/10/04. For $37 I guess you get what you pay for. I'm gonna
> have someone look at the alignment and see if it needs shims. It doesn't
> sound bad when starting, it sounds nice_and_ cranks right up. If I can't get
> those rebuilts to last more than 4 months I might just buy a mean green or
> something.
>
> --
> ___________________
> HomeBrewer
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> http://85cj7.webhop.net/
> http://funfacts.webhop.org/
> "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way
> of the man that's doing it."
> "HomeBrewer" <85cj7XXX@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3ac2t5F697bjeU1@individual.net...
> > Jeep in question is on my site below. 85 cj7 with a 304 from a 76.
> > I googled the archives and found a bunch of similar problems listed, but
> > mine is a little different. I got the jeep running yesterday and went
> > driving around town. After a few stops I picked up the kids at daycare.
> > With them both buckled in the rear seat I turn the key and get a slow
> > groan and then a click. I think, hmmm, that new optima battery is crap,
> > not worth the money like the guys on the ng said. Then I look at the volt
> > meter it's at 13. I get a guy to jump me and after letting the thing
> > charge for several minutes I get the same click. Lights are strong, volts
> > now at 14+, everything electrical works.
> >
> > I start looking under the jeep and found the lower starter bolt was loose
> > and I think, hmm the starter is jammed...I tighten the starter, and try
> > it....click. I bang on the starter with a hammer....click.. The kids are
> > getting restless, I rock the jeep back and forth in gear to try and turn
> > the flywheel .....click. I finally give up and get a ride home. I return
> > with my truck and tow the jeep home. Luckily I had the tow bar already in
> > place on the jeep.
> >
> > Today I remove the starter from the jeep and lay it on the front spring,
> > turn the key and...click. I replace the relay on the inside front fender
> > with an old one I had laying around....click. I completely remove the
> > starter from the jeep, wiring and all and still get the same ....click. I
> > had thought the "click" was the solenoid pushing the starter gear into
> > place, but I guess not since the starter is now gone and the click is
> > still there. What is the click? Oh yea, the volt meter drops to below 0
> > when I get the click.
> >
> > All battery cables are new, the battery and starter is new, connections
> > look good and tight. I'm going to check the ground strap from motor to
> > frame tomorrow. I don't have a strap to the firewall like some, but I'm
> > thinking of adding one. Also, I am taking the starter to get tested and/or
> > return it. I hope that is it, but by reading some of the archives, I kind
> > of doubt it. Any other suggestions?
> >
> > --
> > ___________________
> > HomeBrewer
> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> > http://85cj7.webhop.net/
> > http://funfacts.webhop.org/
> > "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way
> > of the man that's doing it."
> >

Mike Romain

All you need to do is look close at the starter nose gear and the
flywheel teeth. If the starter isn't lining up, the gears will show
wear marks in the wrong places. Like the flywheel teeth will start to
round off or you will see bad marks in the bottom of the gear V shape
with maybe the odd mark on the front of the teeth.

I think there is a way to check for sure with a feeler gauge with the
front bottom inspection cover off. Bill might have those directions.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

HomeBrewer wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input. I took the starter to the part store and had it bench
> tested. It failed. They replaced it free since I had the receipt and it was
> purchased 12/10/04. For $37 I guess you get what you pay for. I'm gonna
> have someone look at the alignment and see if it needs shims. It doesn't
> sound bad when starting, it sounds nice_and_ cranks right up. If I can't get
> those rebuilts to last more than 4 months I might just buy a mean green or
> something.
>
> --
> ___________________
> HomeBrewer
> http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> http://85cj7.webhop.net/
> http://funfacts.webhop.org/
> "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way
> of the man that's doing it."
> "HomeBrewer" <85cj7XXX@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3ac2t5F697bjeU1@individual.net...
> > Jeep in question is on my site below. 85 cj7 with a 304 from a 76.
> > I googled the archives and found a bunch of similar problems listed, but
> > mine is a little different. I got the jeep running yesterday and went
> > driving around town. After a few stops I picked up the kids at daycare.
> > With them both buckled in the rear seat I turn the key and get a slow
> > groan and then a click. I think, hmmm, that new optima battery is crap,
> > not worth the money like the guys on the ng said. Then I look at the volt
> > meter it's at 13. I get a guy to jump me and after letting the thing
> > charge for several minutes I get the same click. Lights are strong, volts
> > now at 14+, everything electrical works.
> >
> > I start looking under the jeep and found the lower starter bolt was loose
> > and I think, hmm the starter is jammed...I tighten the starter, and try
> > it....click. I bang on the starter with a hammer....click.. The kids are
> > getting restless, I rock the jeep back and forth in gear to try and turn
> > the flywheel .....click. I finally give up and get a ride home. I return
> > with my truck and tow the jeep home. Luckily I had the tow bar already in
> > place on the jeep.
> >
> > Today I remove the starter from the jeep and lay it on the front spring,
> > turn the key and...click. I replace the relay on the inside front fender
> > with an old one I had laying around....click. I completely remove the
> > starter from the jeep, wiring and all and still get the same ....click. I
> > had thought the "click" was the solenoid pushing the starter gear into
> > place, but I guess not since the starter is now gone and the click is
> > still there. What is the click? Oh yea, the volt meter drops to below 0
> > when I get the click.
> >
> > All battery cables are new, the battery and starter is new, connections
> > look good and tight. I'm going to check the ground strap from motor to
> > frame tomorrow. I don't have a strap to the firewall like some, but I'm
> > thinking of adding one. Also, I am taking the starter to get tested and/or
> > return it. I hope that is it, but by reading some of the archives, I kind
> > of doubt it. Any other suggestions?
> >
> > --
> > ___________________
> > HomeBrewer
> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/
> > http://85cj7.webhop.net/
> > http://funfacts.webhop.org/
> > "When you decide something is impossible to do, try to stay out of the way
> > of the man that's doing it."
> >