Spring over questions
03-22-2006, 11:18 PM
#21
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Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the kit
from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability anytime......ESPECIALLY
when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
whole lotta hassle......
"The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
needed clearance."
Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
--From Bill's link----
Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your stock
Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article again.....
Carl wrote:
>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not encountered
>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>
>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt ends
>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>harm's way.
>
>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>
>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>
>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>
>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
--
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forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the kit
from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability anytime......ESPECIALLY
when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
whole lotta hassle......
"The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
needed clearance."
Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
--From Bill's link----
Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your stock
Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article again.....
Carl wrote:
>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not encountered
>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>
>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt ends
>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>harm's way.
>
>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>
>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>
>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>
>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
--
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03-23-2006, 01:35 AM
#22
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Re: Spring over questions
I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
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> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200603/1
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
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03-23-2006, 01:35 AM
#23
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Re: Spring over questions
I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
> Message posted via CarKB.com
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200603/1
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
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03-23-2006, 01:35 AM
#24
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
> Message posted via CarKB.com
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200603/1
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
> Message posted via CarKB.com
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200603/1
03-23-2006, 01:35 AM
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
> Message posted via CarKB.com
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200603/1
advertised and rated at 4.5".
I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
holds true for every Jeep out there.
With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
performance.
If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
for a total 7".
With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
really serious will eventually spring it over.
I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
compare.
Carl
"robb6435 via CarKB.com" <u7360@uwe> wrote in message
news:5daab01ed9438@uwe...
> actually, the advertised 4.5" lift actually lifted my jeep 6.25". Did you
> forget about the steering linkage problems associated with your SOA? I
> didn't hear you mention anything about them.....there are none with the
> kit
> from RE.....Add a 1" body lift and I have everything a SOA has without
> welding or ladder bars or anything else.......without axle wrap.......and
> I'll place my springs against a SOA for flexability
> anytime......ESPECIALLY
> when you are adding leaf's and rearcing the stock one's.....sounds like a
> whole lotta hassle......
>
> "The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front
> spring
> clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
> spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
> needed clearance."
>
> Doesn't sound like something I'd like to have on my rig....
>
> --From Bill's link----
> Another steering solution, if you're willing to spend the dough on your
> stock
> Dana 30 is from M.O.R.E. Basically the M.O.R.E. kit adds bracketry to the
> Dana 30 so you can mount the axle end of the draglink above the springs.
> This kit is pictured below. Not a cheap solution, but a very good one.
>
> Anything else you might have overlooked??? better read the article
> again.....
>
>
> Carl wrote:
>>I followed Bill's link. The only issue encountered with SOA not
>>encountered
>>with spring-under is axle wrap. The added leaf does the trick for the most
>>part. Adding a ladder bar will eliminate the axle wrap.
>>
>>I feel that going SOA is a huge advantage over spring-under simply because
>>of the added clearance with moving the springs. I don't like my U-bolt
>>ends
>>and springs hanging out waiting to catch on anything and everything. As
>>spring clearance wasn't enough, long springs on an spring-under
>>configuration coupled with lift shackles point the shackles backwards or
>>straight down. SOA points them away from the Jeep, keeping them out of
>>harm's way.
>>
>>The RE spring-under lift 4.5" lift nets 4.5 - 5".
>>
>>Just springing over gives 5.5". Add the stock wrangler main leaf and short
>>leaf, net 6.5-7".
>>
>>IMHO, upgrading an SUA suspension is a waste of money.
>>
>>>I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
>>> associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's
>>[quoted text clipped - 48 lines]
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>
> --
> Message posted via CarKB.com
> http://www.carkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/jeep-cars/200603/1
03-23-2006, 01:40 AM
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
Hi Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
03-23-2006, 01:40 AM
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
Hi Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
03-23-2006, 01:40 AM
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
Hi Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
03-23-2006, 01:40 AM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spring over questions
Hi Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
the rocks from, anyway.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Carl wrote:
>
> I don't buy a lift based on what 'someone' got from the springs. They are
> advertised and rated at 4.5".
>
> I didn't need a 1" body lift to clear 33's or even 35's.
>
> Spring-under can't compete with Spring-over for clearance at the axle.
> U-bolt ends are out there just waiting to get smashed and torn off. The
> clearance difference between SOA and SUA is the same that you'll see running
> 35's vs 33's. Pretty substantial if you ask me.
>
> I didn't mention re-arching the springs, wrangler stock springs are very
> soft and still flex very well even with double main leafs.
>
> I'm not sure what 'steering linkage problems' you were referring to, but
> with both SOA and SUA, eventually hi-steer will be required to get the tie
> rod out of the way and get the drag link paralell to the axle. The same
> holds true for every Jeep out there.
>
> With 7.5" of lift, my 89 Wrangler handled just fine with a 4" drop pitman
> arm. No bumpsteer, even at 70mph.
>
> The OP wasn't asking which one is less hassle. I'm less concerned with
> putting in a little more work and more concerned with getting better
> performance.
>
> If axle wrap was that big of an issue, 90% of other 4x4s would not be sprung
> over from the factory. RE sells springs designed to work on a sprung over
> Wrangler. One could spring over on stock springs netting 5.5" of lift, then
> later replace thier stock springs with RE SOA springs and get another 1.5",
> for a total 7".
>
> With SUA lift springs, 4.5" + 2" shackles is IT. Any more lift will need to
> be body lift. With SOA, you get 5.5" + spring lift + shackles. Anyone who is
> really serious will eventually spring it over.
>
> I've got a ton of flex pics of my SOA Wrangler, I'd be happy to swap and
> compare.
>
> Carl
03-23-2006, 01:47 AM
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Re: Spring over questions
Which I believe I was able to skid over rocks, rather being caught
by that straight across tube without any lead.
> Hi Carl
> To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
> remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
> the rocks from, anyway.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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by that straight across tube without any lead.
> Hi Carl
> To be picky you didn't change the axle height. All you did was
> remove the spring from under the axle at a point where the tires keep
> the rocks from, anyway.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/