Chuck

After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
amazing how well it rides.

I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd problems
might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there steering problems
that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and off road. How does
the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better kits out there, or are
they pretty much all the same? With spring over how big of tires would you
go with?

Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

--
Chuck

I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Chuck,
The correct way to do it is with add a leaf for more rigidity then
have the combination re-arced at your local spring shop. Repositioned
shock mounts with new shocks with longer travel, Modified driveshaft
slip joints, with constant velocity universal joints. If you still want
spring wrap and broken shafts:
http://www.dehesa4x4.com/osburn/tech/soa.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Chuck wrote:
>
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd problems
> might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there steering problems
> that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and off road. How does
> the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better kits out there, or are
> they pretty much all the same? With spring over how big of tires would you
> go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Chuck,
The correct way to do it is with add a leaf for more rigidity then
have the combination re-arced at your local spring shop. Repositioned
shock mounts with new shocks with longer travel, Modified driveshaft
slip joints, with constant velocity universal joints. If you still want
spring wrap and broken shafts:
http://www.dehesa4x4.com/osburn/tech/soa.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Chuck wrote:
>
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd problems
> might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there steering problems
> that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and off road. How does
> the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better kits out there, or are
> they pretty much all the same? With spring over how big of tires would you
> go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Chuck,
The correct way to do it is with add a leaf for more rigidity then
have the combination re-arced at your local spring shop. Repositioned
shock mounts with new shocks with longer travel, Modified driveshaft
slip joints, with constant velocity universal joints. If you still want
spring wrap and broken shafts:
http://www.dehesa4x4.com/osburn/tech/soa.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Chuck wrote:
>
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd problems
> might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there steering problems
> that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and off road. How does
> the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better kits out there, or are
> they pretty much all the same? With spring over how big of tires would you
> go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Hi Chuck,
The correct way to do it is with add a leaf for more rigidity then
have the combination re-arced at your local spring shop. Repositioned
shock mounts with new shocks with longer travel, Modified driveshaft
slip joints, with constant velocity universal joints. If you still want
spring wrap and broken shafts:
http://www.dehesa4x4.com/osburn/tech/soa.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Chuck wrote:
>
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd problems
> might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there steering problems
> that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and off road. How does
> the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better kits out there, or are
> they pretty much all the same? With spring over how big of tires would you
> go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian

Carl

SOA is the way to go, Chuck.

It is absolutely worth the effort over lift springs because it will ride
just as well as stock, and outflex most lift springs. Also, it frees up a
TON of space under the axles giving you even more clearance.

There really are no 'odd' problems with spring-over. Most trucks and 4x4's
come from the factory with a spring-over type setup.

The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
needed clearance.

SOA kills stock wrangler leaf packs. The way to combat this is to buy
someone else's stock wrangler leaf packs. Whichever main leaves are worse,
cut off the spring eyes and add them below the main leaf in the good pack.
Also throw in the small leaf at the bottom to give your drag link more
clearance and add a little hieght. The extra main leaf will keep your
springs alive and give you about 1" extra. Alternatively, you can buy
springs designed for Spring over from Rubicon, with or without added lift.

A kit is not required. All you need is: 4 spring perches, 4" drop pitman
arm, longer rear brake line, 4 shocks, and a CV drive shaft with SYE from
Tom Wood for the rear driveline. The front driveline and brake lines are
plenty long enough.

With a spring-over on stock springs, you can clear 35's without trimming. I
ran 33's on a sprung-over 89 YJ with great success. You mentioned having
stock axles. If you have the D35 rear, most don't reccomend going above 33's
because of breakage issues.

HTH,

Carl


"Chuck" <kb9kfs@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:YXfUf.41058$_S7.37947@newssvr14.news.prodigy. com...
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd
> problems might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there
> steering problems that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and
> off road. How does the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better
> kits out there, or are they pretty much all the same? With spring over
> how big of tires would you go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
>

Carl

SOA is the way to go, Chuck.

It is absolutely worth the effort over lift springs because it will ride
just as well as stock, and outflex most lift springs. Also, it frees up a
TON of space under the axles giving you even more clearance.

There really are no 'odd' problems with spring-over. Most trucks and 4x4's
come from the factory with a spring-over type setup.

The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
needed clearance.

SOA kills stock wrangler leaf packs. The way to combat this is to buy
someone else's stock wrangler leaf packs. Whichever main leaves are worse,
cut off the spring eyes and add them below the main leaf in the good pack.
Also throw in the small leaf at the bottom to give your drag link more
clearance and add a little hieght. The extra main leaf will keep your
springs alive and give you about 1" extra. Alternatively, you can buy
springs designed for Spring over from Rubicon, with or without added lift.

A kit is not required. All you need is: 4 spring perches, 4" drop pitman
arm, longer rear brake line, 4 shocks, and a CV drive shaft with SYE from
Tom Wood for the rear driveline. The front driveline and brake lines are
plenty long enough.

With a spring-over on stock springs, you can clear 35's without trimming. I
ran 33's on a sprung-over 89 YJ with great success. You mentioned having
stock axles. If you have the D35 rear, most don't reccomend going above 33's
because of breakage issues.

HTH,

Carl


"Chuck" <kb9kfs@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:YXfUf.41058$_S7.37947@newssvr14.news.prodigy. com...
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd
> problems might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there
> steering problems that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and
> off road. How does the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better
> kits out there, or are they pretty much all the same? With spring over
> how big of tires would you go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
>

Carl

SOA is the way to go, Chuck.

It is absolutely worth the effort over lift springs because it will ride
just as well as stock, and outflex most lift springs. Also, it frees up a
TON of space under the axles giving you even more clearance.

There really are no 'odd' problems with spring-over. Most trucks and 4x4's
come from the factory with a spring-over type setup.

The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
needed clearance.

SOA kills stock wrangler leaf packs. The way to combat this is to buy
someone else's stock wrangler leaf packs. Whichever main leaves are worse,
cut off the spring eyes and add them below the main leaf in the good pack.
Also throw in the small leaf at the bottom to give your drag link more
clearance and add a little hieght. The extra main leaf will keep your
springs alive and give you about 1" extra. Alternatively, you can buy
springs designed for Spring over from Rubicon, with or without added lift.

A kit is not required. All you need is: 4 spring perches, 4" drop pitman
arm, longer rear brake line, 4 shocks, and a CV drive shaft with SYE from
Tom Wood for the rear driveline. The front driveline and brake lines are
plenty long enough.

With a spring-over on stock springs, you can clear 35's without trimming. I
ran 33's on a sprung-over 89 YJ with great success. You mentioned having
stock axles. If you have the D35 rear, most don't reccomend going above 33's
because of breakage issues.

HTH,

Carl


"Chuck" <kb9kfs@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:YXfUf.41058$_S7.37947@newssvr14.news.prodigy. com...
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd
> problems might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there
> steering problems that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and
> off road. How does the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better
> kits out there, or are they pretty much all the same? With spring over
> how big of tires would you go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
>

Carl

SOA is the way to go, Chuck.

It is absolutely worth the effort over lift springs because it will ride
just as well as stock, and outflex most lift springs. Also, it frees up a
TON of space under the axles giving you even more clearance.

There really are no 'odd' problems with spring-over. Most trucks and 4x4's
come from the factory with a spring-over type setup.

The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
needed clearance.

SOA kills stock wrangler leaf packs. The way to combat this is to buy
someone else's stock wrangler leaf packs. Whichever main leaves are worse,
cut off the spring eyes and add them below the main leaf in the good pack.
Also throw in the small leaf at the bottom to give your drag link more
clearance and add a little hieght. The extra main leaf will keep your
springs alive and give you about 1" extra. Alternatively, you can buy
springs designed for Spring over from Rubicon, with or without added lift.

A kit is not required. All you need is: 4 spring perches, 4" drop pitman
arm, longer rear brake line, 4 shocks, and a CV drive shaft with SYE from
Tom Wood for the rear driveline. The front driveline and brake lines are
plenty long enough.

With a spring-over on stock springs, you can clear 35's without trimming. I
ran 33's on a sprung-over 89 YJ with great success. You mentioned having
stock axles. If you have the D35 rear, most don't reccomend going above 33's
because of breakage issues.

HTH,

Carl


"Chuck" <kb9kfs@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:YXfUf.41058$_S7.37947@newssvr14.news.prodigy. com...
> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
> diffs with 3" of body lift and 31-10.50 TRXUS tires, but needs more
> clearance for larger tires. I have plenty of clearance with my current
> tires. I recently replaced the front springs and all the shocks. It's
> amazing how well it rides.
>
> I keep hearing about doing a spring over conversion. What all odd
> problems might come from this? Is it worth the effort? Are there
> steering problems that need to be remedied? I drive my Jeep both on and
> off road. How does the conversion affect ride quality? Are there better
> kits out there, or are they pretty much all the same? With spring over
> how big of tires would you go with?
>
> Lots of questions, I know, but any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Chuck
>
> I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian
>

robb6435 via CarKB.com

I don't know carl, I think you are ignoring alot of the other problems
associated with SOA. Especially if you were to follow and read Bill's link,
there are alot of other factors to consider to an SOA. He'd get the same
amount of lift with a 4.5" Rubicon express extreme lift, and wouldn't have
all of the other problems associated with SOA.......I really don't think its
cheaper if it's done "correctly"

Carl wrote:
>SOA is the way to go, Chuck.
>
>It is absolutely worth the effort over lift springs because it will ride
>just as well as stock, and outflex most lift springs. Also, it frees up a
>TON of space under the axles giving you even more clearance.
>
>There really are no 'odd' problems with spring-over. Most trucks and 4x4's
>come from the factory with a spring-over type setup.
>
>The only problem that I encountered was the drag link vs pass front spring
>clearance. On a hard right turn, the drag link would sometimes graze the
>spring. The spring shaved off a wee bit of the drag link, providing the
>needed clearance.
>
>SOA kills stock wrangler leaf packs. The way to combat this is to buy
>someone else's stock wrangler leaf packs. Whichever main leaves are worse,
>cut off the spring eyes and add them below the main leaf in the good pack.
>Also throw in the small leaf at the bottom to give your drag link more
>clearance and add a little hieght. The extra main leaf will keep your
>springs alive and give you about 1" extra. Alternatively, you can buy
>springs designed for Spring over from Rubicon, with or without added lift.
>
>A kit is not required. All you need is: 4 spring perches, 4" drop pitman
>arm, longer rear brake line, 4 shocks, and a CV drive shaft with SYE from
>Tom Wood for the rear driveline. The front driveline and brake lines are
>plenty long enough.
>
>With a spring-over on stock springs, you can clear 35's without trimming. I
>ran 33's on a sprung-over 89 YJ with great success. You mentioned having
>stock axles. If you have the D35 rear, most don't reccomend going above 33's
>because of breakage issues.
>
>HTH,
>
>Carl
>
>> After going wheeling last week, I found I really do need more height and
>> bigger tires. My 85/91 YJ-7 has the 258 and T-5 tranny along with stock
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>>
>> Thanks

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