So Cal Jeep Trail Recomendstions
#131
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Daniel Bibbens proclaimed:
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was intriqued by this thread (but have NO experience in the desert)
>>
>>However... you would think if these guys and girls can RACE 135 miles
>>through death valley in the summertime (masochistic tendencies aside),
>>surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
>>more traffic on it, no?
>>
>>http://www.runningonthesun.org/r-mission.htm
>>
>
>
> I took some of the trails in and around Death Valley in mid-April this
> year with my dog. Both of us are in good to excellent physical
> condition. I cut our trip short because my dog was not taking the heat
> well. I brought 5 gallons of water which by afternoon was just a
> little cooler than fresh coffee. On our way out of the valley floor,
> we stopped to help a couple on a motorcycle. The passenger was
> vomiting and showing late signs of heat exhaustion. They had no
> mechanical problems at all. Just sitting on the back of the bike at
> 40+ MPH in the afternoon sun sent the passenger to the hospital.
>
> Bill's warning is good and relevant. It's definitely not a casual
> decision to make but neither is hang gliding or mountain climbing. It
> is an amazing place. Go see it and go prepared.
>
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/drink_water.jpg
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/happiness.jpg
>
> I'm crossing the Mojave (3 days East to West) in two weeks. Anyone
> want to come along?
Next time you go out, get those canvas water bags. At highway speed
they can darn near freeze the water, but if you keep the slightest shade
and a minor breeze, they keep the water reasonably well cool by
evaporation. Bummer that when the annual rainfall is less than 2 inches
they do tend to lose enough water though that you need several or one of
the big military sized ones.
Kinda amusing to see some of the tourists who park their cars in Nevada
or Arizona heat [out of death valley] and return to discover some of the
adhesives in the vehicle don't care for the temperature the inside of a
dark car not in the shade will reach.
Don't get me wrong, the areas in and near Death Valley are where I go on
vacations for grins... but I've lost acquaintances out in the western
arid areas including some who grew up in Green River, Moab, Hanksville,
and Carson City. The area has an awesome variety of mineral formations,
trails, etc. etc. but it can easily kill the overconfident... and even
veteran desert crawlers that forget one time to take precautions.
One of the saddest I've seen is someone who tried to cross what looked
like crusted ground but didn't wonder why it was so flat. Thin crust
over a fairly deep layer of alkali snot that you have to experience to
believe. Head out from Goldfield toward Silver Peak and wander onto one
of the alkali beds on foot to see what I mean. Silver Peak was within
walking distance and there is even a very small marshy area but the poor
doofus and companion were out there alone in a perfectly good 4wd and
bogged down just a few miles west of the old alkali works heading toward
the mountain range to the west and left the reasonably passable trails.
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was intriqued by this thread (but have NO experience in the desert)
>>
>>However... you would think if these guys and girls can RACE 135 miles
>>through death valley in the summertime (masochistic tendencies aside),
>>surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
>>more traffic on it, no?
>>
>>http://www.runningonthesun.org/r-mission.htm
>>
>
>
> I took some of the trails in and around Death Valley in mid-April this
> year with my dog. Both of us are in good to excellent physical
> condition. I cut our trip short because my dog was not taking the heat
> well. I brought 5 gallons of water which by afternoon was just a
> little cooler than fresh coffee. On our way out of the valley floor,
> we stopped to help a couple on a motorcycle. The passenger was
> vomiting and showing late signs of heat exhaustion. They had no
> mechanical problems at all. Just sitting on the back of the bike at
> 40+ MPH in the afternoon sun sent the passenger to the hospital.
>
> Bill's warning is good and relevant. It's definitely not a casual
> decision to make but neither is hang gliding or mountain climbing. It
> is an amazing place. Go see it and go prepared.
>
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/drink_water.jpg
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/happiness.jpg
>
> I'm crossing the Mojave (3 days East to West) in two weeks. Anyone
> want to come along?
Next time you go out, get those canvas water bags. At highway speed
they can darn near freeze the water, but if you keep the slightest shade
and a minor breeze, they keep the water reasonably well cool by
evaporation. Bummer that when the annual rainfall is less than 2 inches
they do tend to lose enough water though that you need several or one of
the big military sized ones.
Kinda amusing to see some of the tourists who park their cars in Nevada
or Arizona heat [out of death valley] and return to discover some of the
adhesives in the vehicle don't care for the temperature the inside of a
dark car not in the shade will reach.
Don't get me wrong, the areas in and near Death Valley are where I go on
vacations for grins... but I've lost acquaintances out in the western
arid areas including some who grew up in Green River, Moab, Hanksville,
and Carson City. The area has an awesome variety of mineral formations,
trails, etc. etc. but it can easily kill the overconfident... and even
veteran desert crawlers that forget one time to take precautions.
One of the saddest I've seen is someone who tried to cross what looked
like crusted ground but didn't wonder why it was so flat. Thin crust
over a fairly deep layer of alkali snot that you have to experience to
believe. Head out from Goldfield toward Silver Peak and wander onto one
of the alkali beds on foot to see what I mean. Silver Peak was within
walking distance and there is even a very small marshy area but the poor
doofus and companion were out there alone in a perfectly good 4wd and
bogged down just a few miles west of the old alkali works heading toward
the mountain range to the west and left the reasonably passable trails.
#132
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Daniel Bibbens proclaimed:
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was intriqued by this thread (but have NO experience in the desert)
>>
>>However... you would think if these guys and girls can RACE 135 miles
>>through death valley in the summertime (masochistic tendencies aside),
>>surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
>>more traffic on it, no?
>>
>>http://www.runningonthesun.org/r-mission.htm
>>
>
>
> I took some of the trails in and around Death Valley in mid-April this
> year with my dog. Both of us are in good to excellent physical
> condition. I cut our trip short because my dog was not taking the heat
> well. I brought 5 gallons of water which by afternoon was just a
> little cooler than fresh coffee. On our way out of the valley floor,
> we stopped to help a couple on a motorcycle. The passenger was
> vomiting and showing late signs of heat exhaustion. They had no
> mechanical problems at all. Just sitting on the back of the bike at
> 40+ MPH in the afternoon sun sent the passenger to the hospital.
>
> Bill's warning is good and relevant. It's definitely not a casual
> decision to make but neither is hang gliding or mountain climbing. It
> is an amazing place. Go see it and go prepared.
>
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/drink_water.jpg
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/happiness.jpg
>
> I'm crossing the Mojave (3 days East to West) in two weeks. Anyone
> want to come along?
Next time you go out, get those canvas water bags. At highway speed
they can darn near freeze the water, but if you keep the slightest shade
and a minor breeze, they keep the water reasonably well cool by
evaporation. Bummer that when the annual rainfall is less than 2 inches
they do tend to lose enough water though that you need several or one of
the big military sized ones.
Kinda amusing to see some of the tourists who park their cars in Nevada
or Arizona heat [out of death valley] and return to discover some of the
adhesives in the vehicle don't care for the temperature the inside of a
dark car not in the shade will reach.
Don't get me wrong, the areas in and near Death Valley are where I go on
vacations for grins... but I've lost acquaintances out in the western
arid areas including some who grew up in Green River, Moab, Hanksville,
and Carson City. The area has an awesome variety of mineral formations,
trails, etc. etc. but it can easily kill the overconfident... and even
veteran desert crawlers that forget one time to take precautions.
One of the saddest I've seen is someone who tried to cross what looked
like crusted ground but didn't wonder why it was so flat. Thin crust
over a fairly deep layer of alkali snot that you have to experience to
believe. Head out from Goldfield toward Silver Peak and wander onto one
of the alkali beds on foot to see what I mean. Silver Peak was within
walking distance and there is even a very small marshy area but the poor
doofus and companion were out there alone in a perfectly good 4wd and
bogged down just a few miles west of the old alkali works heading toward
the mountain range to the west and left the reasonably passable trails.
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was intriqued by this thread (but have NO experience in the desert)
>>
>>However... you would think if these guys and girls can RACE 135 miles
>>through death valley in the summertime (masochistic tendencies aside),
>>surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
>>more traffic on it, no?
>>
>>http://www.runningonthesun.org/r-mission.htm
>>
>
>
> I took some of the trails in and around Death Valley in mid-April this
> year with my dog. Both of us are in good to excellent physical
> condition. I cut our trip short because my dog was not taking the heat
> well. I brought 5 gallons of water which by afternoon was just a
> little cooler than fresh coffee. On our way out of the valley floor,
> we stopped to help a couple on a motorcycle. The passenger was
> vomiting and showing late signs of heat exhaustion. They had no
> mechanical problems at all. Just sitting on the back of the bike at
> 40+ MPH in the afternoon sun sent the passenger to the hospital.
>
> Bill's warning is good and relevant. It's definitely not a casual
> decision to make but neither is hang gliding or mountain climbing. It
> is an amazing place. Go see it and go prepared.
>
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/drink_water.jpg
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/happiness.jpg
>
> I'm crossing the Mojave (3 days East to West) in two weeks. Anyone
> want to come along?
Next time you go out, get those canvas water bags. At highway speed
they can darn near freeze the water, but if you keep the slightest shade
and a minor breeze, they keep the water reasonably well cool by
evaporation. Bummer that when the annual rainfall is less than 2 inches
they do tend to lose enough water though that you need several or one of
the big military sized ones.
Kinda amusing to see some of the tourists who park their cars in Nevada
or Arizona heat [out of death valley] and return to discover some of the
adhesives in the vehicle don't care for the temperature the inside of a
dark car not in the shade will reach.
Don't get me wrong, the areas in and near Death Valley are where I go on
vacations for grins... but I've lost acquaintances out in the western
arid areas including some who grew up in Green River, Moab, Hanksville,
and Carson City. The area has an awesome variety of mineral formations,
trails, etc. etc. but it can easily kill the overconfident... and even
veteran desert crawlers that forget one time to take precautions.
One of the saddest I've seen is someone who tried to cross what looked
like crusted ground but didn't wonder why it was so flat. Thin crust
over a fairly deep layer of alkali snot that you have to experience to
believe. Head out from Goldfield toward Silver Peak and wander onto one
of the alkali beds on foot to see what I mean. Silver Peak was within
walking distance and there is even a very small marshy area but the poor
doofus and companion were out there alone in a perfectly good 4wd and
bogged down just a few miles west of the old alkali works heading toward
the mountain range to the west and left the reasonably passable trails.
#133
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Daniel Bibbens proclaimed:
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was intriqued by this thread (but have NO experience in the desert)
>>
>>However... you would think if these guys and girls can RACE 135 miles
>>through death valley in the summertime (masochistic tendencies aside),
>>surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
>>more traffic on it, no?
>>
>>http://www.runningonthesun.org/r-mission.htm
>>
>
>
> I took some of the trails in and around Death Valley in mid-April this
> year with my dog. Both of us are in good to excellent physical
> condition. I cut our trip short because my dog was not taking the heat
> well. I brought 5 gallons of water which by afternoon was just a
> little cooler than fresh coffee. On our way out of the valley floor,
> we stopped to help a couple on a motorcycle. The passenger was
> vomiting and showing late signs of heat exhaustion. They had no
> mechanical problems at all. Just sitting on the back of the bike at
> 40+ MPH in the afternoon sun sent the passenger to the hospital.
>
> Bill's warning is good and relevant. It's definitely not a casual
> decision to make but neither is hang gliding or mountain climbing. It
> is an amazing place. Go see it and go prepared.
>
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/drink_water.jpg
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/happiness.jpg
>
> I'm crossing the Mojave (3 days East to West) in two weeks. Anyone
> want to come along?
Next time you go out, get those canvas water bags. At highway speed
they can darn near freeze the water, but if you keep the slightest shade
and a minor breeze, they keep the water reasonably well cool by
evaporation. Bummer that when the annual rainfall is less than 2 inches
they do tend to lose enough water though that you need several or one of
the big military sized ones.
Kinda amusing to see some of the tourists who park their cars in Nevada
or Arizona heat [out of death valley] and return to discover some of the
adhesives in the vehicle don't care for the temperature the inside of a
dark car not in the shade will reach.
Don't get me wrong, the areas in and near Death Valley are where I go on
vacations for grins... but I've lost acquaintances out in the western
arid areas including some who grew up in Green River, Moab, Hanksville,
and Carson City. The area has an awesome variety of mineral formations,
trails, etc. etc. but it can easily kill the overconfident... and even
veteran desert crawlers that forget one time to take precautions.
One of the saddest I've seen is someone who tried to cross what looked
like crusted ground but didn't wonder why it was so flat. Thin crust
over a fairly deep layer of alkali snot that you have to experience to
believe. Head out from Goldfield toward Silver Peak and wander onto one
of the alkali beds on foot to see what I mean. Silver Peak was within
walking distance and there is even a very small marshy area but the poor
doofus and companion were out there alone in a perfectly good 4wd and
bogged down just a few miles west of the old alkali works heading toward
the mountain range to the west and left the reasonably passable trails.
> "Deano" <dpernisie@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>>I was intriqued by this thread (but have NO experience in the desert)
>>
>>However... you would think if these guys and girls can RACE 135 miles
>>through death valley in the summertime (masochistic tendencies aside),
>>surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
>>more traffic on it, no?
>>
>>http://www.runningonthesun.org/r-mission.htm
>>
>
>
> I took some of the trails in and around Death Valley in mid-April this
> year with my dog. Both of us are in good to excellent physical
> condition. I cut our trip short because my dog was not taking the heat
> well. I brought 5 gallons of water which by afternoon was just a
> little cooler than fresh coffee. On our way out of the valley floor,
> we stopped to help a couple on a motorcycle. The passenger was
> vomiting and showing late signs of heat exhaustion. They had no
> mechanical problems at all. Just sitting on the back of the bike at
> 40+ MPH in the afternoon sun sent the passenger to the hospital.
>
> Bill's warning is good and relevant. It's definitely not a casual
> decision to make but neither is hang gliding or mountain climbing. It
> is an amazing place. Go see it and go prepared.
>
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/drink_water.jpg
> http://xobjex.com/dbibbens/albums/happiness.jpg
>
> I'm crossing the Mojave (3 days East to West) in two weeks. Anyone
> want to come along?
Next time you go out, get those canvas water bags. At highway speed
they can darn near freeze the water, but if you keep the slightest shade
and a minor breeze, they keep the water reasonably well cool by
evaporation. Bummer that when the annual rainfall is less than 2 inches
they do tend to lose enough water though that you need several or one of
the big military sized ones.
Kinda amusing to see some of the tourists who park their cars in Nevada
or Arizona heat [out of death valley] and return to discover some of the
adhesives in the vehicle don't care for the temperature the inside of a
dark car not in the shade will reach.
Don't get me wrong, the areas in and near Death Valley are where I go on
vacations for grins... but I've lost acquaintances out in the western
arid areas including some who grew up in Green River, Moab, Hanksville,
and Carson City. The area has an awesome variety of mineral formations,
trails, etc. etc. but it can easily kill the overconfident... and even
veteran desert crawlers that forget one time to take precautions.
One of the saddest I've seen is someone who tried to cross what looked
like crusted ground but didn't wonder why it was so flat. Thin crust
over a fairly deep layer of alkali snot that you have to experience to
believe. Head out from Goldfield toward Silver Peak and wander onto one
of the alkali beds on foot to see what I mean. Silver Peak was within
walking distance and there is even a very small marshy area but the poor
doofus and companion were out there alone in a perfectly good 4wd and
bogged down just a few miles west of the old alkali works heading toward
the mountain range to the west and left the reasonably passable trails.
#134
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Lon wrote:
> >>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
> >
> > Mark wrote:
> > I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
> > finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
> > business.
> >> Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
> >> Death Valley . . .
Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
up the meaning of the word "create."
> >> As for staying on "popular trails" and expecting passersby, I can now
> >> pretty much conclude you've never been within thousands of miles of the
> >> nevada area where only the freeway or highway 95 or 395 tends to have
> >> those.
Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
> > Concerning rescuers, you're thinking two dimensionally. Unlike
> > forested terrain, the desert is open and visibility is usually
> > excellent, rescuers could be a half a mile *above* you, and you'd know
> > it by seeing and hearing their CAP airplane.
> >> Oddly enough the desert is NOT open . . .
> >> A mirror? Sure. But if you are trying to signal air craft, the one
> >> pre-requisite is that there be some flying over at low enough altitude
> >> to see you.
What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
tarp, or mirror, etc.
> >> You have apparently never been there. Be my guest.
When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
#135
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Lon wrote:
> >>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
> >
> > Mark wrote:
> > I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
> > finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
> > business.
> >> Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
> >> Death Valley . . .
Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
up the meaning of the word "create."
> >> As for staying on "popular trails" and expecting passersby, I can now
> >> pretty much conclude you've never been within thousands of miles of the
> >> nevada area where only the freeway or highway 95 or 395 tends to have
> >> those.
Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
> > Concerning rescuers, you're thinking two dimensionally. Unlike
> > forested terrain, the desert is open and visibility is usually
> > excellent, rescuers could be a half a mile *above* you, and you'd know
> > it by seeing and hearing their CAP airplane.
> >> Oddly enough the desert is NOT open . . .
> >> A mirror? Sure. But if you are trying to signal air craft, the one
> >> pre-requisite is that there be some flying over at low enough altitude
> >> to see you.
What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
tarp, or mirror, etc.
> >> You have apparently never been there. Be my guest.
When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
#136
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Lon wrote:
> >>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
> >
> > Mark wrote:
> > I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
> > finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
> > business.
> >> Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
> >> Death Valley . . .
Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
up the meaning of the word "create."
> >> As for staying on "popular trails" and expecting passersby, I can now
> >> pretty much conclude you've never been within thousands of miles of the
> >> nevada area where only the freeway or highway 95 or 395 tends to have
> >> those.
Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
> > Concerning rescuers, you're thinking two dimensionally. Unlike
> > forested terrain, the desert is open and visibility is usually
> > excellent, rescuers could be a half a mile *above* you, and you'd know
> > it by seeing and hearing their CAP airplane.
> >> Oddly enough the desert is NOT open . . .
> >> A mirror? Sure. But if you are trying to signal air craft, the one
> >> pre-requisite is that there be some flying over at low enough altitude
> >> to see you.
What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
tarp, or mirror, etc.
> >> You have apparently never been there. Be my guest.
When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Changing a tire:
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Mark wrote:
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
http://www.----------.com/temp/prepa...HeatStroke.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mark wrote:
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
#138
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Changing a tire:
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Mark wrote:
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
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God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mark wrote:
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
#139
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Posts: n/a
Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Changing a tire:
http://www.----------.com/temp/prepa...HeatStroke.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mark wrote:
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
http://www.----------.com/temp/prepa...HeatStroke.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Mark wrote:
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
#140
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Mark proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>>>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
>>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
>>>finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
>>>business.
>
>
>>>>Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
>>>>Death Valley . . .
>
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
Apparently you have never been in death valley or similar conditions.
You are welcome to go visit with all of your confidence and somewhat
loose grasp of the concepts.
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
What you are saying is that you have not a single clue about the great
basin area and it is pretty obvious by your paragraph above. Go
visit, the buzzards need food too. The concept of well travelled
trails barely applies to the major US highways...much less once you get
onto the secondary state or county highways and even vanishingly more
less as you leave pavement.
Lovely place for offroading, lose a few overconfident newbies every year
out there.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
My problem? I've been there. Your problem? You obviously havent and
think waving your hands in the air constitutes thought.
Oh, search and rescue planes? From where? Oh yeah, orange rescue tarp?
Hopefully it stands out from the surrounding terrain. There are
better answers and materials, say aluminized mylar which has a tad of a
benefit in reflecting SOME of the sun off you. Which helps for a few
hours only as the incredibly low humidity and brain baking heat near the
ground dessicates you fatally. Working A/C is a survival tool.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
highway.
> Lon wrote:
>
>>>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
>>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
>>>finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
>>>business.
>
>
>>>>Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
>>>>Death Valley . . .
>
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
Apparently you have never been in death valley or similar conditions.
You are welcome to go visit with all of your confidence and somewhat
loose grasp of the concepts.
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
What you are saying is that you have not a single clue about the great
basin area and it is pretty obvious by your paragraph above. Go
visit, the buzzards need food too. The concept of well travelled
trails barely applies to the major US highways...much less once you get
onto the secondary state or county highways and even vanishingly more
less as you leave pavement.
Lovely place for offroading, lose a few overconfident newbies every year
out there.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
My problem? I've been there. Your problem? You obviously havent and
think waving your hands in the air constitutes thought.
Oh, search and rescue planes? From where? Oh yeah, orange rescue tarp?
Hopefully it stands out from the surrounding terrain. There are
better answers and materials, say aluminized mylar which has a tad of a
benefit in reflecting SOME of the sun off you. Which helps for a few
hours only as the incredibly low humidity and brain baking heat near the
ground dessicates you fatally. Working A/C is a survival tool.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
highway.