So Cal Jeep Trail Recomendstions
#141
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Mark proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>>>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
>>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
>>>finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
>>>business.
>
>
>>>>Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
>>>>Death Valley . . .
>
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
Apparently you have never been in death valley or similar conditions.
You are welcome to go visit with all of your confidence and somewhat
loose grasp of the concepts.
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
What you are saying is that you have not a single clue about the great
basin area and it is pretty obvious by your paragraph above. Go
visit, the buzzards need food too. The concept of well travelled
trails barely applies to the major US highways...much less once you get
onto the secondary state or county highways and even vanishingly more
less as you leave pavement.
Lovely place for offroading, lose a few overconfident newbies every year
out there.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
My problem? I've been there. Your problem? You obviously havent and
think waving your hands in the air constitutes thought.
Oh, search and rescue planes? From where? Oh yeah, orange rescue tarp?
Hopefully it stands out from the surrounding terrain. There are
better answers and materials, say aluminized mylar which has a tad of a
benefit in reflecting SOME of the sun off you. Which helps for a few
hours only as the incredibly low humidity and brain baking heat near the
ground dessicates you fatally. Working A/C is a survival tool.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
highway.
> Lon wrote:
>
>>>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
>>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
>>>finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
>>>business.
>
>
>>>>Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
>>>>Death Valley . . .
>
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
Apparently you have never been in death valley or similar conditions.
You are welcome to go visit with all of your confidence and somewhat
loose grasp of the concepts.
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
What you are saying is that you have not a single clue about the great
basin area and it is pretty obvious by your paragraph above. Go
visit, the buzzards need food too. The concept of well travelled
trails barely applies to the major US highways...much less once you get
onto the secondary state or county highways and even vanishingly more
less as you leave pavement.
Lovely place for offroading, lose a few overconfident newbies every year
out there.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
My problem? I've been there. Your problem? You obviously havent and
think waving your hands in the air constitutes thought.
Oh, search and rescue planes? From where? Oh yeah, orange rescue tarp?
Hopefully it stands out from the surrounding terrain. There are
better answers and materials, say aluminized mylar which has a tad of a
benefit in reflecting SOME of the sun off you. Which helps for a few
hours only as the incredibly low humidity and brain baking heat near the
ground dessicates you fatally. Working A/C is a survival tool.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
highway.
#142
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Mark proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>>>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
>>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
>>>finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
>>>business.
>
>
>>>>Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
>>>>Death Valley . . .
>
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
Apparently you have never been in death valley or similar conditions.
You are welcome to go visit with all of your confidence and somewhat
loose grasp of the concepts.
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
What you are saying is that you have not a single clue about the great
basin area and it is pretty obvious by your paragraph above. Go
visit, the buzzards need food too. The concept of well travelled
trails barely applies to the major US highways...much less once you get
onto the secondary state or county highways and even vanishingly more
less as you leave pavement.
Lovely place for offroading, lose a few overconfident newbies every year
out there.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
My problem? I've been there. Your problem? You obviously havent and
think waving your hands in the air constitutes thought.
Oh, search and rescue planes? From where? Oh yeah, orange rescue tarp?
Hopefully it stands out from the surrounding terrain. There are
better answers and materials, say aluminized mylar which has a tad of a
benefit in reflecting SOME of the sun off you. Which helps for a few
hours only as the incredibly low humidity and brain baking heat near the
ground dessicates you fatally. Working A/C is a survival tool.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
highway.
> Lon wrote:
>
>>>>Sitting inside a vehicle in the desert will literally bake you.
>>>
>>> Mark wrote:
>>>I might suggest exiting your vehicle using the *door* feature and
>>>finding (or creating) a shady spot should be the first order of
>>>business.
>
>
>>>>Well, if you have any bright ideas on where one might find shade in
>>>>Death Valley . . .
>
>
> Apparently you're unable to read for comprehension. It irks me to have
> to lead you through this. Once you've escaped certain death by using
> the *door* feature of your vehicle, you'll discover that *wow*, you're
> standing next to a vehicle, which, if you're prepared, should have a
> tarp or fly, along with a lot of other useful stuff in it. Please look
> up the meaning of the word "create."
Apparently you have never been in death valley or similar conditions.
You are welcome to go visit with all of your confidence and somewhat
loose grasp of the concepts.
>
> Your conclusion is wrong, but no matter. You're building a strawman
> again. I said "popular trails", not the Saline Valley for god's sake!
> Of course Nevada (it's a state, please capitalize it) has vast areas
> of remote terrain. If wheeling alone, wheel on well travelled trails,
> which, on weekends, have several dozen visitors. Or, I guess, wheel on
> highway 95 or 395 to be certain.
What you are saying is that you have not a single clue about the great
basin area and it is pretty obvious by your paragraph above. Go
visit, the buzzards need food too. The concept of well travelled
trails barely applies to the major US highways...much less once you get
onto the secondary state or county highways and even vanishingly more
less as you leave pavement.
Lovely place for offroading, lose a few overconfident newbies every year
out there.
>
> What is your problem? Please look *upward* to find where *open* is in
> the desert, try it in Death Valley, for example. Agreed there's slot
> canyons, etc., but you're not wheelin' alone in those, are you? And
> I'm not talking about Alaskan Airlines, it's a Search and Rescue plane
> looking for *you*, because you filed a trip plan, or activated a PLB.
> They'll be flying at the proper altitude. They won't see you first,
> they'll see your vehicle (because you stayed with it), orange rescue
> tarp, or mirror, etc.
My problem? I've been there. Your problem? You obviously havent and
think waving your hands in the air constitutes thought.
Oh, search and rescue planes? From where? Oh yeah, orange rescue tarp?
Hopefully it stands out from the surrounding terrain. There are
better answers and materials, say aluminized mylar which has a tad of a
benefit in reflecting SOME of the sun off you. Which helps for a few
hours only as the incredibly low humidity and brain baking heat near the
ground dessicates you fatally. Working A/C is a survival tool.
>
> When did this turn into an aimless solo trek into desolate areas of the
> Mohave desert? That's a stupid thing to do.
By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
highway.
#143
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Lon wrote:
> By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
> map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
> count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
> highway.
*Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
not equal death.
*Not* somewhere out in the middle of the Great Basin. How many times
do I have to agree that's defacto stupid before you'll comprehend?
#144
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Lon wrote:
> By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
> map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
> count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
> highway.
*Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
not equal death.
*Not* somewhere out in the middle of the Great Basin. How many times
do I have to agree that's defacto stupid before you'll comprehend?
#145
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Lon wrote:
> By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
> map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
> count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
> highway.
*Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
not equal death.
*Not* somewhere out in the middle of the Great Basin. How many times
do I have to agree that's defacto stupid before you'll comprehend?
#146
Guest
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Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Mark proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>>By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
>>map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
>>count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
>>highway.
>
>
> *Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
> Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
> someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
> the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
> wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
> not equal death.
So now you are claiming the southern california trails are somehow safer
than the trails a bit further north in the cooler inland desert? Or
were you talking about the trail from coronado island to the kmart in
national city?
> Lon wrote:
>
>>By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
>>map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
>>count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
>>highway.
>
>
> *Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
> Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
> someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
> the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
> wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
> not equal death.
So now you are claiming the southern california trails are somehow safer
than the trails a bit further north in the cooler inland desert? Or
were you talking about the trail from coronado island to the kmart in
national city?
#147
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Mark proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>>By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
>>map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
>>count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
>>highway.
>
>
> *Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
> Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
> someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
> the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
> wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
> not equal death.
So now you are claiming the southern california trails are somehow safer
than the trails a bit further north in the cooler inland desert? Or
were you talking about the trail from coronado island to the kmart in
national city?
> Lon wrote:
>
>>By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
>>map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
>>count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
>>highway.
>
>
> *Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
> Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
> someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
> the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
> wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
> not equal death.
So now you are claiming the southern california trails are somehow safer
than the trails a bit further north in the cooler inland desert? Or
were you talking about the trail from coronado island to the kmart in
national city?
#148
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Posts: n/a
Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
Mark proclaimed:
> Lon wrote:
>
>>By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
>>map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
>>count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
>>highway.
>
>
> *Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
> Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
> someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
> the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
> wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
> not equal death.
So now you are claiming the southern california trails are somehow safer
than the trails a bit further north in the cooler inland desert? Or
were you talking about the trail from coronado island to the kmart in
national city?
> Lon wrote:
>
>>By jove I think he's beginning to get a nano-clue. Next you'll get a
>>map and look up the topography and maybe someday head out there and
>>count the number of vehicles per week once you get away from any major
>>highway.
>
>
> *Read* the header for this thread again, nitwit: "So Cal Jeep Trail
> Recommendations." Get out a map and look up the topography, maybe
> someday head down here and count the number of vehicles per *day* on
> the trails. You obviously have no clue what *I'm* talking about,
> wheelin' in the desert solo with safety in mind, where a breakdown does
> not equal death.
So now you are claiming the southern california trails are somehow safer
than the trails a bit further north in the cooler inland desert? Or
were you talking about the trail from coronado island to the kmart in
national city?