Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

Hi Dan,
It was the type of pine tree.
Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daniel Bibbens wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill. The picture were taken near Lake Arrowhead by my
> sister. Where did you get the elevation? I don't see that in the exif
> data.
>
> Here is the thread containing a link to my DV pics:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...q=Death+Valley
>
> DV pics are here:
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/daniel_bibbe...b5escd&.src=ph
>
> --

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

Hi Dan,
It was the type of pine tree.
Thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daniel Bibbens wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bill. The picture were taken near Lake Arrowhead by my
> sister. Where did you get the elevation? I don't see that in the exif
> data.
>
> Here is the thread containing a link to my DV pics:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...q=Death+Valley
>
> DV pics are here:
>
> http://photos.yahoo.com/daniel_bibbe...b5escd&.src=ph
>
> --

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> writes:

> Hi Dan,
> It was the type of pine tree.
> Thanks.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Well, you're wrong. The elevation was 4,862 feet (according to my
GPS). :)

I am duly impressed.
--

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> writes:

> Hi Dan,
> It was the type of pine tree.
> Thanks.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Well, you're wrong. The elevation was 4,862 feet (according to my
GPS). :)

I am duly impressed.
--

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> writes:

> Hi Dan,
> It was the type of pine tree.
> Thanks.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Well, you're wrong. The elevation was 4,862 feet (according to my
GPS). :)

I am duly impressed.
--

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

LOL.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daniel Bibbens wrote:
>
> Well, you're wrong. The elevation was 4,862 feet (according to my
> GPS). :)
>
> I am duly impressed.
> --

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

LOL.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daniel Bibbens wrote:
>
> Well, you're wrong. The elevation was 4,862 feet (according to my
> GPS). :)
>
> I am duly impressed.
> --

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

LOL.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Daniel Bibbens wrote:
>
> Well, you're wrong. The elevation was 4,862 feet (according to my
> GPS). :)
>
> I am duly impressed.
> --

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

Deano wrote:
> . . . surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
> more traffic on it, no?

You would think so, a tantalizing idea, but very risky. Summer temps
in the desert are brutal. A father and son died in Anza Borrego two
years ago when trying to walk out (with carried water) from a disabled
vehicle, only a couple of miles. Dead border crossers number in the
hundreds each year. Walking in the heat of the day, even with adequate
water, could result in heat stroke. If you're walking, you're not in
the shade, you're transpiring greater amounts of water than you can
carry for a day, and you're heating up. Walking in the heat of the
day, even with adequate water, could result in heat stroke, which is
fatal if not taken care of quickly. And if you start having symptoms,
you're screwed, you're half way between the safety of your vehicle and
the assumed help you'll find at the road.

Much better is to stay with the vehicle and your 5+ gallons of water,
in the shade, relaxing and staying cool. OTOH, if a travelled road was
only a mile or less away, I might make a run for it, but only after my
water supply was running out, chance of rescue becoming slim, and only
in early morning, or pre-dawn if the moon's out.

Just try it for a wakeup call. Do a little hiking (with
air-conditioned indoors nearby) in 120 degree weather, in proper
clothing and with adequate water. It's amazing how quickly the first
signs of heat exhaustion (precursor to heat stroke) appear,
and how little progress you can make after a while.

Re: Solo Desert Breakdown = Death?
 

Deano wrote:
> . . . surely someone with enough water can WALK a few miles to a road with
> more traffic on it, no?

You would think so, a tantalizing idea, but very risky. Summer temps
in the desert are brutal. A father and son died in Anza Borrego two
years ago when trying to walk out (with carried water) from a disabled
vehicle, only a couple of miles. Dead border crossers number in the
hundreds each year. Walking in the heat of the day, even with adequate
water, could result in heat stroke. If you're walking, you're not in
the shade, you're transpiring greater amounts of water than you can
carry for a day, and you're heating up. Walking in the heat of the
day, even with adequate water, could result in heat stroke, which is
fatal if not taken care of quickly. And if you start having symptoms,
you're screwed, you're half way between the safety of your vehicle and
the assumed help you'll find at the road.

Much better is to stay with the vehicle and your 5+ gallons of water,
in the shade, relaxing and staying cool. OTOH, if a travelled road was
only a mile or less away, I might make a run for it, but only after my
water supply was running out, chance of rescue becoming slim, and only
in early morning, or pre-dawn if the moon's out.

Just try it for a wakeup call. Do a little hiking (with
air-conditioned indoors nearby) in 120 degree weather, in proper
clothing and with adequate water. It's amazing how quickly the first
signs of heat exhaustion (precursor to heat stroke) appear,
and how little progress you can make after a while.