This should be interesting.......
10-15-2005, 04:32 AM
#31
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Re: This should be interesting.......
Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered by
the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine on
it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you move
the particle.
:-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> changes the subject of the observation?
>
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > SVTKate proclaimed:
> >> Which participant are you observing?
> >
> > The ones that worry about being observed?
> >
> >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up in
> >> the first place?
> >
> > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> >>
> >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to, who
> >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> >
> > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> >>
> >> *WEG*
> >>
> >> Kate
> >>
> >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> >> :
> >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> >> group
> >> : participant.
> >> :
> >> : I'll be very quiet.
> >> :
> >> :
> >> : --
> >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> >> :
>
>
velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered by
the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine on
it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you move
the particle.
:-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> changes the subject of the observation?
>
>
> --
> Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> .
> "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > SVTKate proclaimed:
> >> Which participant are you observing?
> >
> > The ones that worry about being observed?
> >
> >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up in
> >> the first place?
> >
> > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> >>
> >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to, who
> >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> >
> > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> >>
> >> *WEG*
> >>
> >> Kate
> >>
> >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> >> :
> >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> >> group
> >> : participant.
> >> :
> >> : I'll be very quiet.
> >> :
> >> :
> >> : --
> >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> >> :
>
>
10-15-2005, 08:02 AM
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". He
(or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not
suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
by
> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
on
> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
move
> the particle.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> > changes the subject of the observation?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > >
> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > >
> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
in
> > >> the first place?
> > >
> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > >>
> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
who
> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > >
> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > >>
> > >> *WEG*
> > >>
> > >> Kate
> > >>
> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > >> :
> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> > >> group
> > >> : participant.
> > >> :
> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > >> :
> > >> :
> > >> : --
> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > >> :
> >
> >
>
>
>
(or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not
suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
by
> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
on
> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
move
> the particle.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> > changes the subject of the observation?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > >
> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > >
> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
in
> > >> the first place?
> > >
> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > >>
> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
who
> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > >
> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > >>
> > >> *WEG*
> > >>
> > >> Kate
> > >>
> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > >> :
> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> > >> group
> > >> : participant.
> > >> :
> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > >> :
> > >> :
> > >> : --
> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > >> :
> >
> >
>
>
>
10-15-2005, 08:02 AM
#33
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". He
(or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not
suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
by
> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
on
> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
move
> the particle.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> > changes the subject of the observation?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > >
> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > >
> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
in
> > >> the first place?
> > >
> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > >>
> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
who
> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > >
> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > >>
> > >> *WEG*
> > >>
> > >> Kate
> > >>
> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > >> :
> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> > >> group
> > >> : participant.
> > >> :
> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > >> :
> > >> :
> > >> : --
> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > >> :
> >
> >
>
>
>
(or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not
suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
by
> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
on
> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
move
> the particle.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> > changes the subject of the observation?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > >
> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > >
> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
in
> > >> the first place?
> > >
> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > >>
> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
who
> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > >
> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > >>
> > >> *WEG*
> > >>
> > >> Kate
> > >>
> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > >> :
> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> > >> group
> > >> : participant.
> > >> :
> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > >> :
> > >> :
> > >> : --
> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > >> :
> >
> >
>
>
>
10-15-2005, 08:02 AM
#34
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing". He
(or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not
suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
by
> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
on
> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
move
> the particle.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> > changes the subject of the observation?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > >
> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > >
> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
in
> > >> the first place?
> > >
> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > >>
> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
who
> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > >
> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > >>
> > >> *WEG*
> > >>
> > >> Kate
> > >>
> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > >> :
> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> > >> group
> > >> : participant.
> > >> :
> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > >> :
> > >> :
> > >> : --
> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > >> :
> >
> >
>
>
>
(or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does not
suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present position
> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
by
> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
on
> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
move
> the particle.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
> > changes the subject of the observation?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > .
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > >
> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > >
> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
in
> > >> the first place?
> > >
> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > >>
> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
who
> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > >
> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > >>
> > >> *WEG*
> > >>
> > >> Kate
> > >>
> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > >> :
> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
> > >> group
> > >> : participant.
> > >> :
> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > >> :
> > >> :
> > >> : --
> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > >> :
> >
> >
>
>
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10-15-2005, 08:08 AM
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
:-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be bothered
to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
position
> > and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
> > the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also
change
> > the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you
shine
> on
> > it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> > observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
> > the particle.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of
observing
> > > changes the subject of the observation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > > .
> > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > > >
> > > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > > >
> > > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak
up
> in
> > > >> the first place?
> > > >
> > > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
> > > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > > >
> > > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > > >>
> > > >> *WEG*
> > > >>
> > > >> Kate
> > > >>
> > > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of
a
> > > >> group
> > > >> : participant.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > > >> :
> > > >> :
> > > >> : --
> > > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > > >> :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
position
> > and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
> > the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also
change
> > the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you
shine
> on
> > it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> > observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
> > the particle.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of
observing
> > > changes the subject of the observation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > > .
> > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > > >
> > > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > > >
> > > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak
up
> in
> > > >> the first place?
> > > >
> > > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
> > > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > > >
> > > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > > >>
> > > >> *WEG*
> > > >>
> > > >> Kate
> > > >>
> > > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of
a
> > > >> group
> > > >> : participant.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > > >> :
> > > >> :
> > > >> : --
> > > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > > >> :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
10-15-2005, 08:08 AM
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
:-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be bothered
to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
position
> > and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
> > the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also
change
> > the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you
shine
> on
> > it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> > observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
> > the particle.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of
observing
> > > changes the subject of the observation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > > .
> > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > > >
> > > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > > >
> > > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak
up
> in
> > > >> the first place?
> > > >
> > > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
> > > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > > >
> > > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > > >>
> > > >> *WEG*
> > > >>
> > > >> Kate
> > > >>
> > > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of
a
> > > >> group
> > > >> : participant.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > > >> :
> > > >> :
> > > >> : --
> > > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > > >> :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
position
> > and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
> > the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also
change
> > the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you
shine
> on
> > it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> > observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
> > the particle.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of
observing
> > > changes the subject of the observation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > > .
> > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > > >
> > > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > > >
> > > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak
up
> in
> > > >> the first place?
> > > >
> > > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
> > > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > > >
> > > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > > >>
> > > >> *WEG*
> > > >>
> > > >> Kate
> > > >>
> > > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of
a
> > > >> group
> > > >> : participant.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > > >> :
> > > >> :
> > > >> : --
> > > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > > >> :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
10-15-2005, 08:08 AM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
:-) Had too much to drink last night and not much sleep ; can't be bothered
to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
position
> > and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
> > the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also
change
> > the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you
shine
> on
> > it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> > observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
> > the particle.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of
observing
> > > changes the subject of the observation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > > .
> > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > > >
> > > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > > >
> > > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak
up
> in
> > > >> the first place?
> > > >
> > > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
> > > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > > >
> > > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > > >>
> > > >> *WEG*
> > > >>
> > > >> Kate
> > > >>
> > > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of
a
> > > >> group
> > > >> : participant.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > > >> :
> > > >> :
> > > >> : --
> > > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > > >> :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
to do much other than veg in front of my computer and spell things wrongly.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
> > Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
> > velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
position
> > and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
> > the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also
change
> > the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you
shine
> on
> > it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
> > observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
> > the particle.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
> > > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of
observing
> > > changes the subject of the observation?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
> > > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
> > > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
> > > .
> > > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > > SVTKate proclaimed:
> > > >> Which participant are you observing?
> > > >
> > > > The ones that worry about being observed?
> > > >
> > > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak
up
> in
> > > >> the first place?
> > > >
> > > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
> > > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
> > > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
> > > >
> > > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
> > > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
> > > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
> > > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
> > > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
> > > >>
> > > >> *WEG*
> > > >>
> > > >> Kate
> > > >>
> > > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
message
> > > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
> > > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of
a
> > > >> group
> > > >> : participant.
> > > >> :
> > > >> : I'll be very quiet.
> > > >> :
> > > >> :
> > > >> : --
> > > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
> > > >> :
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
10-15-2005, 10:48 AM
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
If the poster is emitting light does that, by definition, infer he is in an
excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate
psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
> He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
> not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
>> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
>> position
>> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
>> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
>> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
> on
>> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
>> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
>> the particle.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
>> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
>> > changes the subject of the observation?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> > .
>> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
>> > >> Which participant are you observing?
>> > >
>> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
>> > >
>> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
> in
>> > >> the first place?
>> > >
>> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
>> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
>> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
>> > >
>> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
>> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
>> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
>> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
>> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
>> > >>
>> > >> *WEG*
>> > >>
>> > >> Kate
>> > >>
>> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> message
>> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
>> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
>> > >> group
>> > >> : participant.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
>> > >> :
>> > >> :
>> > >> : --
>> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
>> > >> :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate
psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
> He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
> not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
>> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
>> position
>> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
>> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
>> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
> on
>> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
>> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
>> the particle.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
>> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
>> > changes the subject of the observation?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> > .
>> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
>> > >> Which participant are you observing?
>> > >
>> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
>> > >
>> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
> in
>> > >> the first place?
>> > >
>> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
>> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
>> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
>> > >
>> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
>> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
>> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
>> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
>> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
>> > >>
>> > >> *WEG*
>> > >>
>> > >> Kate
>> > >>
>> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> message
>> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
>> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
>> > >> group
>> > >> : participant.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
>> > >> :
>> > >> :
>> > >> : --
>> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
>> > >> :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-15-2005, 10:48 AM
#39
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
If the poster is emitting light does that, by definition, infer he is in an
excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate
psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
> He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
> not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
>> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
>> position
>> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
>> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
>> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
> on
>> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
>> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
>> the particle.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
>> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
>> > changes the subject of the observation?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> > .
>> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
>> > >> Which participant are you observing?
>> > >
>> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
>> > >
>> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
> in
>> > >> the first place?
>> > >
>> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
>> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
>> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
>> > >
>> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
>> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
>> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
>> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
>> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
>> > >>
>> > >> *WEG*
>> > >>
>> > >> Kate
>> > >>
>> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> message
>> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
>> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
>> > >> group
>> > >> : participant.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
>> > >> :
>> > >> :
>> > >> : --
>> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
>> > >> :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate
psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
> He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
> not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
>> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
>> position
>> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
>> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
>> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
> on
>> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
>> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
>> the particle.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
>> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
>> > changes the subject of the observation?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> > .
>> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
>> > >> Which participant are you observing?
>> > >
>> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
>> > >
>> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
> in
>> > >> the first place?
>> > >
>> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
>> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
>> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
>> > >
>> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
>> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
>> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
>> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
>> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
>> > >>
>> > >> *WEG*
>> > >>
>> > >> Kate
>> > >>
>> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> message
>> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
>> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
>> > >> group
>> > >> : participant.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
>> > >> :
>> > >> :
>> > >> : --
>> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
>> > >> :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-15-2005, 10:48 AM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: This should be interesting.......
If the poster is emitting light does that, by definition, infer he is in an
excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate
psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
> He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
> not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
>> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
>> position
>> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
>> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
>> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
> on
>> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
>> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
>> the particle.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
>> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
>> > changes the subject of the observation?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> > .
>> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
>> > >> Which participant are you observing?
>> > >
>> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
>> > >
>> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
> in
>> > >> the first place?
>> > >
>> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
>> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
>> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
>> > >
>> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
>> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
>> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
>> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
>> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
>> > >>
>> > >> *WEG*
>> > >>
>> > >> Kate
>> > >>
>> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> message
>> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
>> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
>> > >> group
>> > >> : participant.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
>> > >> :
>> > >> :
>> > >> : --
>> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
>> > >> :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
excited state?
Aren't we all excited by Jeeps and Jeep culture?
Ya know, this might be an interesting project for an undergraduate
psychology student. Or maybe the poster is one of us, or maybe just a nut.
--
Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
..
"Earle Horton" <nurse-nospam-busters@msn.com> wrote in message
news:4350f022$1_5@alt.athenanews.com...
> This fellow (the oriignal poster in this thread) isn't just "observing".
> He
> (or she) had to announce that fact. Nevertheless, one can neglect the
> effect of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, because reading of Usenet
> articles is essentially a passive operation. The alleged effect on the
> poster does not exist, because a poster is more like a light emitting
> object, than one that reflects light. Reading an article, and somehow
> having an effect on the author, violates the laws of causality, you see.
> Now on the other hand, if by his cryptic post he is attempting to nudge
> someone here into posting a reply, which is a theory that I can not
> discount, then the analogy might apply. The mere act of observing does
> not
> suffice, however. I don't have much to do today, either.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> news:c834f.129441$G8.106014@text.news.blueyonder.c o.uk...
>> Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal ; in order to predict the position and
>> velocity of a particle you have to be able to mesaure its present
>> position
>> and velocity by shining light on it; some of the light will be scattered
> by
>> the particle indicating its position. However, the light will also change
>> the particles position, and the shorter the wavelength of light you shine
> on
>> it (which you would have thought would make the position more accurately
>> observed) the higher the amount of energy you require, and the more you
> move
>> the particle.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:f13f4$4350604d$d8449845$1847@FUSE.NET...
>> > Isn't there a theory that says something like the mere act of observing
>> > changes the subject of the observation?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Billy_Ray@SPAM.fuse.net (remove SPAM)
>> > 2002 Jeep WJ 4 Liter Automatic
>> > Sharing is why we are all here....... or should be.
>> > .
>> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:GMKdncT7XYi0wc3eRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>> > > SVTKate proclaimed:
>> > >> Which participant are you observing?
>> > >
>> > > The ones that worry about being observed?
>> > >
>> > >> If you were REALLY planning to quietly observe, why did you speak up
> in
>> > >> the first place?
>> > >
>> > > How then, would they have identified those who care one way or the
>> > > other about whether or not they are being observed?
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course you realize that now you MUST tell us what you are up to,
> who
>> > >> you are doing, and why you are doing them.
>> > >
>> > > More likely they just came out from under a bridge somewhere and
>> > > could not find a billy goat to observe. Google groups is much
>> > > faster for passively observing group dynamics... but the whole
>> > > schtick has been so overwhelmingly overdone any professor with a
>> > > femtoclue would flunk anyone using such a cliched' project.
>> > >>
>> > >> *WEG*
>> > >>
>> > >> Kate
>> > >>
>> > >> "Square Wheels" <intrepidator@your_cervix_gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> message
>> > >> news:UbW3f.189900$1i.164532@pd7tw2no...
>> > >> : .....now that I can finally access this group.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : Just here to observe and continue my psychological assessment of a
>> > >> group
>> > >> : participant.
>> > >> :
>> > >> : I'll be very quiet.
>> > >> :
>> > >> :
>> > >> : --
>> > >> : A mound is a terrible thing to waste.
>> > >> :
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>