seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
10-03-2006, 01:31 AM
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Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
One set will last through many trans changes in many Jeeps.
Carl
<ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H_GdnWmWs8KccLzYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
> them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and
> then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww
> old john
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You're working too hard.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood .
>>>but always be carefull.
>>> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth
>>>>shank. I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common
>>>>sense..
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder
>>>>>to
>>>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
>>>>> threaded rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Honea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>>>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>>>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two
>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>>>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>>>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>>>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right
>>>>>> > size
>>>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carl wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got
>>>>>> > > a new
>>>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>>>>>> > > replacement
>>>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing,
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts
>>>>>> > > to the
>>>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5"
>>>>>> > > longer. Cut the
>>>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you
>>>>>> > > can use a
>>>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower
>>>>>> > > four mounting
>>>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it
>>>>>> > > will slide
>>>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot
>>>>>> > > bearing.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > HTH
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Carl
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems
>>>>>> > > > with the
>>>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it
>>>>>> > > > started
>>>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started
>>>>>> > > > locking up in
>>>>>> > > > first also.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>>>>>> > > > transmission
>>>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes
>>>>>> > > > sense to try
>>>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>>>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I
>>>>>> > > > will be
>>>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who
>>>>>> > > > sell
>>>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need
>>>>>> > > > to have
>>>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc.
>>>>>> > > > off of
>>>>>> > > > their shafts?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>>>>>> > > > have
>>>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>>>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any
>>>>>> > > > special
>>>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy
>>>>>> > > > some kind
>>>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered
>>>>>> > > > properly?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Will Honea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
<ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H_GdnWmWs8KccLzYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
> them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and
> then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww
> old john
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You're working too hard.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood .
>>>but always be carefull.
>>> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth
>>>>shank. I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common
>>>>sense..
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder
>>>>>to
>>>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
>>>>> threaded rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Honea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>>>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>>>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two
>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>>>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>>>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>>>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right
>>>>>> > size
>>>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carl wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got
>>>>>> > > a new
>>>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>>>>>> > > replacement
>>>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing,
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts
>>>>>> > > to the
>>>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5"
>>>>>> > > longer. Cut the
>>>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you
>>>>>> > > can use a
>>>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower
>>>>>> > > four mounting
>>>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it
>>>>>> > > will slide
>>>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot
>>>>>> > > bearing.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > HTH
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Carl
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems
>>>>>> > > > with the
>>>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it
>>>>>> > > > started
>>>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started
>>>>>> > > > locking up in
>>>>>> > > > first also.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>>>>>> > > > transmission
>>>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes
>>>>>> > > > sense to try
>>>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>>>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I
>>>>>> > > > will be
>>>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who
>>>>>> > > > sell
>>>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need
>>>>>> > > > to have
>>>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc.
>>>>>> > > > off of
>>>>>> > > > their shafts?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>>>>>> > > > have
>>>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>>>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any
>>>>>> > > > special
>>>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy
>>>>>> > > > some kind
>>>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered
>>>>>> > > > properly?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Will Honea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-03-2006, 01:31 AM
#72
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
One set will last through many trans changes in many Jeeps.
Carl
<ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H_GdnWmWs8KccLzYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
> them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and
> then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww
> old john
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You're working too hard.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood .
>>>but always be carefull.
>>> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth
>>>>shank. I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common
>>>>sense..
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder
>>>>>to
>>>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
>>>>> threaded rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Honea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>>>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>>>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two
>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>>>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>>>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>>>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right
>>>>>> > size
>>>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carl wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got
>>>>>> > > a new
>>>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>>>>>> > > replacement
>>>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing,
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts
>>>>>> > > to the
>>>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5"
>>>>>> > > longer. Cut the
>>>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you
>>>>>> > > can use a
>>>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower
>>>>>> > > four mounting
>>>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it
>>>>>> > > will slide
>>>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot
>>>>>> > > bearing.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > HTH
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Carl
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems
>>>>>> > > > with the
>>>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it
>>>>>> > > > started
>>>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started
>>>>>> > > > locking up in
>>>>>> > > > first also.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>>>>>> > > > transmission
>>>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes
>>>>>> > > > sense to try
>>>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>>>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I
>>>>>> > > > will be
>>>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who
>>>>>> > > > sell
>>>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need
>>>>>> > > > to have
>>>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc.
>>>>>> > > > off of
>>>>>> > > > their shafts?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>>>>>> > > > have
>>>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>>>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any
>>>>>> > > > special
>>>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy
>>>>>> > > > some kind
>>>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered
>>>>>> > > > properly?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Will Honea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
<ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H_GdnWmWs8KccLzYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
> them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and
> then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww
> old john
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You're working too hard.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood .
>>>but always be carefull.
>>> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth
>>>>shank. I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common
>>>>sense..
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder
>>>>>to
>>>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
>>>>> threaded rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Honea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>>>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>>>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two
>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>>>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>>>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>>>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right
>>>>>> > size
>>>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carl wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got
>>>>>> > > a new
>>>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>>>>>> > > replacement
>>>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing,
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts
>>>>>> > > to the
>>>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5"
>>>>>> > > longer. Cut the
>>>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you
>>>>>> > > can use a
>>>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower
>>>>>> > > four mounting
>>>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it
>>>>>> > > will slide
>>>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot
>>>>>> > > bearing.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > HTH
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Carl
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems
>>>>>> > > > with the
>>>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it
>>>>>> > > > started
>>>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started
>>>>>> > > > locking up in
>>>>>> > > > first also.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>>>>>> > > > transmission
>>>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes
>>>>>> > > > sense to try
>>>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>>>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I
>>>>>> > > > will be
>>>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who
>>>>>> > > > sell
>>>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need
>>>>>> > > > to have
>>>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc.
>>>>>> > > > off of
>>>>>> > > > their shafts?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>>>>>> > > > have
>>>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>>>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any
>>>>>> > > > special
>>>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy
>>>>>> > > > some kind
>>>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered
>>>>>> > > > properly?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Will Honea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
10-03-2006, 01:31 AM
#73
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
One set will last through many trans changes in many Jeeps.
Carl
<ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
> them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and
> then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww
> old john
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You're working too hard.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood .
>>>but always be carefull.
>>> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth
>>>>shank. I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common
>>>>sense..
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder
>>>>>to
>>>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
>>>>> threaded rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Honea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>>>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>>>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two
>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>>>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>>>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>>>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right
>>>>>> > size
>>>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carl wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got
>>>>>> > > a new
>>>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>>>>>> > > replacement
>>>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing,
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts
>>>>>> > > to the
>>>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5"
>>>>>> > > longer. Cut the
>>>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you
>>>>>> > > can use a
>>>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower
>>>>>> > > four mounting
>>>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it
>>>>>> > > will slide
>>>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot
>>>>>> > > bearing.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > HTH
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Carl
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems
>>>>>> > > > with the
>>>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it
>>>>>> > > > started
>>>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started
>>>>>> > > > locking up in
>>>>>> > > > first also.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>>>>>> > > > transmission
>>>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes
>>>>>> > > > sense to try
>>>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>>>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I
>>>>>> > > > will be
>>>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who
>>>>>> > > > sell
>>>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need
>>>>>> > > > to have
>>>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc.
>>>>>> > > > off of
>>>>>> > > > their shafts?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>>>>>> > > > have
>>>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>>>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any
>>>>>> > > > special
>>>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy
>>>>>> > > > some kind
>>>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered
>>>>>> > > > properly?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Will Honea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Carl
<ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H_GdnWmWs8KccLzYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> not really, as you have to run to the store, buy bolts,cut them off, slot
> them and screw them in, place tranny inline on them, assemble works and
> then unscrew them for the right bolts. whewww
> old john
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:WZGdnX0_k7IoOL3YnZ2dnUVZ_q-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> You're working too hard.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>> <ajeeperman@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:H5qdnQjjA7XgF73YnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>i have never used that setup. it is easier to just use a jack and wood .
>>>but always be carefull.
>>> usually, just put tranny on my chest under car and wiggle a LOT.hehehe
>>>
>>> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7uGdnWVZlexKzb3YnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>>>>I buy the bolts that have about 1 inch of thread and then a smooth
>>>>shank. I guess i forgot to mention that, as I figured it was common
>>>>sense..
>>>>
>>>> Carl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:451E7BB4.A5E7A3D4@sympatico.ca...
>>>>>I could see the threads as a two sided issue. One it makes it harder
>>>>>to
>>>>> slip on, but in the second place it makes it harder to slip off....
>>>>>
>>>>> I will post the results when this happens. I am going to use the
>>>>> threaded rod.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Will Honea wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bolts have one advantage: smooth shanks. Threaded rod sized to
>>>>>> get a really good position is a PITA to slide things on, especially
>>>>>> aluminum castings. Side note: I prefer guide pins in the top two
>>>>>> bolt
>>>>>> holes so that the weight of the tranny holds it close to the mating
>>>>>> surface on the bottom. They are a little harder to get out and you
>>>>>> can't get them as long as in the bottom but aligning the pilot is a
>>>>>> lot easier when the tranny isn't sagging away from the top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:36:33 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one
>>>>>> > on
>>>>>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right
>>>>>> > size
>>>>>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Mike
>>>>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>>>> > Jan/06
>>>>>> > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carl wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got
>>>>>> > > a new
>>>>>> > > clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
>>>>>> > > replacement
>>>>>> > > clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing,
>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>> > > alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts
>>>>>> > > to the
>>>>>> > > hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5"
>>>>>> > > longer. Cut the
>>>>>> > > heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you
>>>>>> > > can use a
>>>>>> > > screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower
>>>>>> > > four mounting
>>>>>> > > holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install
>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>> > > transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it
>>>>>> > > will slide
>>>>>> > > right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot
>>>>>> > > bearing.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > HTH
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Carl
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> > > news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>>>>>> > > > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems
>>>>>> > > > with the
>>>>>> > > > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it
>>>>>> > > > started
>>>>>> > > > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started
>>>>>> > > > locking up in
>>>>>> > > > first also.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
>>>>>> > > > transmission
>>>>>> > > > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes
>>>>>> > > > sense to try
>>>>>> > > > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>>>>>> > > > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I
>>>>>> > > > will be
>>>>>> > > > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who
>>>>>> > > > sell
>>>>>> > > > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need
>>>>>> > > > to have
>>>>>> > > > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc.
>>>>>> > > > off of
>>>>>> > > > their shafts?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to
>>>>>> > > > have
>>>>>> > > > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>>>>>> > > > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any
>>>>>> > > > special
>>>>>> > > > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy
>>>>>> > > > some kind
>>>>>> > > > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered
>>>>>> > > > properly?
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Thanx in advance!
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Will Honea
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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