seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
09-29-2006, 03:58 PM
#11
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Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> suppose three would work.
>
> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> without help.
>
> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
replacement
> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >>
> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> the
> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
use
> >> a
> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> mounting
> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
slide
> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >>
> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
the
> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
in
> >> > first also.
> >> >
> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
transmission
> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
try
> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
have
> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> > their shafts?
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >
> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >
>
>
transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> suppose three would work.
>
> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> without help.
>
> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
replacement
> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >>
> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> the
> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
use
> >> a
> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> mounting
> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
slide
> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >>
> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
the
> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
in
> >> > first also.
> >> >
> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
transmission
> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
try
> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
have
> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> > their shafts?
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >
> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >
>
>
09-29-2006, 03:58 PM
#12
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Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> suppose three would work.
>
> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> without help.
>
> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
replacement
> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >>
> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> the
> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
use
> >> a
> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> mounting
> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
slide
> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >>
> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
the
> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
in
> >> > first also.
> >> >
> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
transmission
> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
try
> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
have
> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> > their shafts?
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >
> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >
>
>
transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> suppose three would work.
>
> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> without help.
>
> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
replacement
> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >>
> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> the
> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
use
> >> a
> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> mounting
> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
slide
> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >>
> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
the
> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
in
> >> > first also.
> >> >
> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
transmission
> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
try
> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
have
> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> > their shafts?
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >
> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >
>
>
09-29-2006, 03:58 PM
#13
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Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> suppose three would work.
>
> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> without help.
>
> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
replacement
> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >>
> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> the
> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
use
> >> a
> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> mounting
> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
slide
> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >>
> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
the
> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
in
> >> > first also.
> >> >
> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
transmission
> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
try
> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
have
> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> > their shafts?
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >
> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >
>
>
transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
Earle
"Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> suppose three would work.
>
> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> without help.
>
> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >
> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Carl wrote:
> >>
> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
replacement
> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >>
> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> the
> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
use
> >> a
> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> mounting
> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
slide
> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >>
> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
the
> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
in
> >> > first also.
> >> >
> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
transmission
> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
try
> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >
> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
have
> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> > their shafts?
> >> >
> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >
> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >
> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >
>
>
09-29-2006, 04:15 PM
#14
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Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I have had no issues using the
plastic jig that comes with the new clutches.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> > down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> > suppose three would work.
> >
> > Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> > without help.
> >
> > Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> > >
> > > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Carl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
> > >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >>
> > >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> > >> the
> > >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
> > >> a
> > >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> > >> mounting
> > >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
> > >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >>
> > >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
> > >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
> > >> > first also.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
> > >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
> > >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > >> >
> > >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
> > >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > >> > their shafts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > >> >
> > >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanx in advance!
> > >> >
> >
> >
plastic jig that comes with the new clutches.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> > down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> > suppose three would work.
> >
> > Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> > without help.
> >
> > Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> > >
> > > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Carl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
> > >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >>
> > >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> > >> the
> > >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
> > >> a
> > >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> > >> mounting
> > >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
> > >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >>
> > >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
> > >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
> > >> > first also.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
> > >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
> > >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > >> >
> > >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
> > >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > >> > their shafts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > >> >
> > >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanx in advance!
> > >> >
> >
> >
09-29-2006, 04:15 PM
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I have had no issues using the
plastic jig that comes with the new clutches.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> > down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> > suppose three would work.
> >
> > Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> > without help.
> >
> > Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> > >
> > > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Carl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
> > >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >>
> > >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> > >> the
> > >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
> > >> a
> > >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> > >> mounting
> > >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
> > >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >>
> > >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
> > >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
> > >> > first also.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
> > >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
> > >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > >> >
> > >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
> > >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > >> > their shafts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > >> >
> > >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanx in advance!
> > >> >
> >
> >
plastic jig that comes with the new clutches.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> > down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> > suppose three would work.
> >
> > Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> > without help.
> >
> > Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> > >
> > > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Carl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
> > >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >>
> > >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> > >> the
> > >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
> > >> a
> > >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> > >> mounting
> > >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
> > >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >>
> > >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
> > >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
> > >> > first also.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
> > >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
> > >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > >> >
> > >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
> > >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > >> > their shafts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > >> >
> > >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanx in advance!
> > >> >
> >
> >
09-29-2006, 04:15 PM
#16
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I have had no issues using the
plastic jig that comes with the new clutches.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> > down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> > suppose three would work.
> >
> > Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> > without help.
> >
> > Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> > >
> > > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Carl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
> > >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >>
> > >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> > >> the
> > >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
> > >> a
> > >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> > >> mounting
> > >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
> > >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >>
> > >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
> > >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
> > >> > first also.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
> > >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
> > >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > >> >
> > >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
> > >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > >> > their shafts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > >> >
> > >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanx in advance!
> > >> >
> >
> >
plastic jig that comes with the new clutches.
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> > down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> > suppose three would work.
> >
> > Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case attached
> > without help.
> >
> > Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> > > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> > > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> > > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> > >
> > > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Carl wrote:
> > >>
> > >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> > >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
> > >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> > >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> > >>
> > >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> > >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> > >> the
> > >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
> > >> a
> > >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> > >> mounting
> > >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> > >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
> > >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> > >>
> > >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Carl
> > >>
> > >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
> > >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> > >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
> > >> > first also.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
> > >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
> > >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> > >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> > >> >
> > >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> > >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> > >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
> > >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> > >> > their shafts?
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> > >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> > >> >
> > >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> > >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> > >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some kind
> > >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanx in advance!
> > >> >
> >
> >
09-29-2006, 06:52 PM
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
Earle,
I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
splines to line up. ;-).
Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
properly.
Mike,
Let me know how it goes.
Carl
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
>> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
>> suppose three would work.
>>
>> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
>> attached
>> without help.
>>
>> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
>> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
>> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> >>
>> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
>> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
>> >> the
>> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
>> >> a
>> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> >> mounting
>> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
>> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> >>
>> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
>> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
>> >> > first also.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
>> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
>> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
>> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
>> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> >> > their shafts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
>> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> >> >
>> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> >> > kind
>> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx in advance!
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
splines to line up. ;-).
Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
properly.
Mike,
Let me know how it goes.
Carl
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
>> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
>> suppose three would work.
>>
>> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
>> attached
>> without help.
>>
>> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
>> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
>> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> >>
>> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
>> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
>> >> the
>> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
>> >> a
>> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> >> mounting
>> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
>> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> >>
>> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
>> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
>> >> > first also.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
>> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
>> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
>> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
>> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> >> > their shafts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
>> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> >> >
>> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> >> > kind
>> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx in advance!
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
09-29-2006, 06:52 PM
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
Earle,
I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
splines to line up. ;-).
Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
properly.
Mike,
Let me know how it goes.
Carl
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
>> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
>> suppose three would work.
>>
>> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
>> attached
>> without help.
>>
>> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
>> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
>> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> >>
>> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
>> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
>> >> the
>> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
>> >> a
>> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> >> mounting
>> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
>> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> >>
>> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
>> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
>> >> > first also.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
>> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
>> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
>> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
>> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> >> > their shafts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
>> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> >> >
>> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> >> > kind
>> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx in advance!
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
splines to line up. ;-).
Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
properly.
Mike,
Let me know how it goes.
Carl
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
>> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
>> suppose three would work.
>>
>> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
>> attached
>> without help.
>>
>> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
>> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
>> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> >>
>> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
>> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
>> >> the
>> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
>> >> a
>> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> >> mounting
>> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
>> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> >>
>> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
>> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
>> >> > first also.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
>> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
>> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
>> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
>> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> >> > their shafts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
>> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> >> >
>> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> >> > kind
>> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx in advance!
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
09-29-2006, 06:52 PM
#19
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
Earle,
I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
splines to line up. ;-).
Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
properly.
Mike,
Let me know how it goes.
Carl
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
>> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
>> suppose three would work.
>>
>> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
>> attached
>> without help.
>>
>> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
>> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
>> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> >>
>> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
>> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
>> >> the
>> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
>> >> a
>> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> >> mounting
>> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
>> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> >>
>> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
>> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
>> >> > first also.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
>> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
>> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
>> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
>> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> >> > their shafts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
>> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> >> >
>> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> >> > kind
>> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx in advance!
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
splines to line up. ;-).
Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
properly.
Mike,
Let me know how it goes.
Carl
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
>
> Earle
>
> "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
>> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
>> suppose three would work.
>>
>> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
>> attached
>> without help.
>>
>> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
>>
>> Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
>> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
>> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
>> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
>> >
>> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Carl wrote:
>> >>
>> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
>> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> replacement
>> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
>> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
>> >>
>> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
>> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
>> >> the
>> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> use
>> >> a
>> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
>> >> mounting
>> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
>> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> slide
>> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
>> >>
>> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
>> >>
>> >> HTH
>> >>
>> >> Carl
>> >>
>> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> the
>> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
>> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> in
>> >> > first also.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> transmission
>> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> try
>> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
>> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
>> >> >
>> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
>> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
>> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> have
>> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
>> >> > their shafts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
>> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
>> >> >
>> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
>> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
>> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
>> >> > kind
>> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanx in advance!
>> >> >
>>
>>
>
>
09-29-2006, 08:16 PM
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Re: seeking advice RE Wrangler transmission overhaul
Will do.
I want to have an engine swapping party soon. I am getting my 'new' 87
slowly together to swap the stronger engine out of my 88 into and junk
the 88. The 87's engine has really low compression all across. There
isn't really anything to part out on the 88 except the side windows and
back hatch door, LOL, it is rotten.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Earle,
>
> I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
> transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
> splines to line up. ;-).
>
> Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
> arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
> issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
> are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
> the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
> rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
> properly.
>
> Mike,
>
> Let me know how it goes.
>
> Carl
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> >> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> >> suppose three would work.
> >>
> >> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
> >> attached
> >> without help.
> >>
> >> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> >> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> >> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >> >
> >> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Carl wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> > replacement
> >> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >> >>
> >> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> >> the
> >> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> > use
> >> >> a
> >> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> >> mounting
> >> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> > slide
> >> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >> >>
> >> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >> >>
> >> >> HTH
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl
> >> >>
> >> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> > the
> >> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> > in
> >> >> > first also.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> > transmission
> >> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> > try
> >> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> > have
> >> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> >> > their shafts?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
> >> >> > kind
> >> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
I want to have an engine swapping party soon. I am getting my 'new' 87
slowly together to swap the stronger engine out of my 88 into and junk
the 88. The 87's engine has really low compression all across. There
isn't really anything to part out on the 88 except the side windows and
back hatch door, LOL, it is rotten.
Mike
Carl wrote:
>
> Earle,
>
> I have every confidence that you can lift, align, and install a
> transmission with one hand. Including wiggling the output shaft to get the
> splines to line up. ;-).
>
> Actually, when I looked at my AX5, I think I could have lifted it with my
> arms and slid it into place if I had removed the transfer case. But the
> issue with this is when you remove your hands to try to put a bolt in, you
> are putting a LOT of pressure on the input shaft and pilot bearing because
> the weight is bearing down onto them instead of the neat little threaded
> rods. Not to mention the risk of death if the transmission falls on you
> properly.
>
> Mike,
>
> Let me know how it goes.
>
> Carl
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:451d776b$0$3658$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.co m...
> > The OP was asking about a clutch alignment tool. As far as aligning the
> > transmission goes, I just "eye" it, and then slide it in there with one
> > hand, while the other is ready with a bolt. ;^)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@hotmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> > news:4oCdnYr7U6SK64DYnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >> I think two installed in the upper two holes might allow the trans to tip
> >> down a little bit, and two in the lower holes might allow it to tip up. I
> >> suppose three would work.
> >>
> >> Using four rods, I was easily able to install my AX-5 with t-case
> >> attached
> >> without help.
> >>
> >> Let me know if you use the rods and how you like it.
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:451D3D81.4CAD8BCF@sympatico.ca...
> >> > Do you think you need 4 of them? I was figuring two should do, one on
> >> > each side. I already have misc. chunks of threaded rod the right size
> >> > kicking around so I am going to just cut off chunks of that.
> >> >
> >> > I have an engine to swap soon and will try that likely.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >> >
> >> > Carl wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> You should be able to buy the trans parts from the dealer. I got a new
> >> >> clutch for my 89 YJ from eBay for around $125. It was an OEM
> > replacement
> >> >> clutch. It inlcuded clutch disk, pressure plate, pilot bearing, and
> >> >> alignment tool. Be sure you get the flywheel resurfaced.
> >> >>
> >> >> One last tip. Take one of the transmission to bellhousing bolts to the
> >> >> hardware store and get one of the same thread but about 5" longer. Cut
> >> >> the
> >> >> heads off and taper the ends. Also cut a slot into the end so you can
> > use
> >> >> a
> >> >> screwdriver to remove the rods. Thread the rods into the lower four
> >> >> mounting
> >> >> holes before you re-install the transmission. When you re-install the
> >> >> transmission, simply put the transmission on those rods and it will
> > slide
> >> >> right into perfect alignment with zero pressure on the pilot bearing.
> >> >>
> >> >> This would also be a good time to change the transfer case fluid.
> >> >>
> >> >> HTH
> >> >>
> >> >> Carl
> >> >>
> >> >> <jwallacq@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1159471707.405696.11380@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> >> > My 94 Wrangler (4 cyl, 170,000 miles) started having problems with
> > the
> >> >> > 5-speed manual transmission. First I lost 5th gear, then it started
> >> >> > seizing or locking up in reverse, and finally it started locking up
> > in
> >> >> > first also.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I have now removed it from the vehicle, and separated the
> > transmission
> >> >> > from the transfer case; and now I am wondering if it makes sense to
> > try
> >> >> > to fix it myself, or if I should send it out. (I have repaired
> >> >> > transmissions myself before, but not for quite a few years.)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My biggest concern with trying to fix it myself is whether I will be
> >> >> > able to find the parts; are there any retailers out there who sell
> >> >> > individual components for transmissions??? Also, will I need to
> > have
> >> >> > access to a hydraulic press to get the bearings, gears, etc. off of
> >> >> > their shafts?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does anybody have a ballpark idea of how much it should cost to have
> >> >> > it rebuilt? And where would be the best place to take it?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One other question: As long as I have the transmission down, I
> >> >> > probably ought to replace the clutch, also. Are there any special
> >> >> > "gotchas" that I need to watch out for? Will I have to buy some
> >> >> > kind
> >> >> > of alignment tool to get the new pressure plate centered properly?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanx in advance!
> >> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
