serg

Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
months.

it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
holes welded shut too.

did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
guy.

anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me a
> price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand price of
> 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
>
> The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Hey Serg,
> >
> > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head reworked and
> > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced the
> head.
> >
> > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a parts
> > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first brought
> it
> > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> needed.
> > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head surfaced,
> > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and the guy
> at
> > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even better
> > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I later
> > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold off
> for
> > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they gave
> me
> > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to pick it
> up
> > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me about
> > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This kinda
> > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up front
> in
> > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from them
> at
> > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky, too
> bad
> > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another shop
> > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in great
> shape
> > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and surfaced
> the
> > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop but
> > they have lost my business.
> >
> > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine). I had
> > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my aluminum
> > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say, OK as
> > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before he can
> > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I needed
> the
> > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional 3.00
> > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the day
> > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked them if
> it
> > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem. Well if
> > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit Card
> > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I found
> out
> > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady business
> > practices.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in a
> box.
> i
> > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the quality once
> > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> material.
> > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the same
> stuff
> i
> > > am or have done...
> > >
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is the
> brand
> a
> > > > quality product?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

serg

Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
months.

it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
holes welded shut too.

did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
guy.

anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me a
> price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand price of
> 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
>
> The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Hey Serg,
> >
> > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head reworked and
> > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced the
> head.
> >
> > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a parts
> > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first brought
> it
> > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> needed.
> > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head surfaced,
> > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and the guy
> at
> > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even better
> > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I later
> > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold off
> for
> > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they gave
> me
> > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to pick it
> up
> > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me about
> > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This kinda
> > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up front
> in
> > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from them
> at
> > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky, too
> bad
> > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another shop
> > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in great
> shape
> > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and surfaced
> the
> > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop but
> > they have lost my business.
> >
> > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine). I had
> > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my aluminum
> > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say, OK as
> > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before he can
> > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I needed
> the
> > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional 3.00
> > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the day
> > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked them if
> it
> > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem. Well if
> > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit Card
> > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I found
> out
> > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady business
> > practices.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in a
> box.
> i
> > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the quality once
> > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> material.
> > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the same
> stuff
> i
> > > am or have done...
> > >
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is the
> brand
> a
> > > > quality product?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

serg

Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
months.

it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
holes welded shut too.

did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
guy.

anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me a
> price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand price of
> 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
>
> The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > Hey Serg,
> >
> > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head reworked and
> > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced the
> head.
> >
> > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a parts
> > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first brought
> it
> > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> needed.
> > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head surfaced,
> > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and the guy
> at
> > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even better
> > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I later
> > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold off
> for
> > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they gave
> me
> > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to pick it
> up
> > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me about
> > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This kinda
> > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up front
> in
> > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from them
> at
> > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky, too
> bad
> > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another shop
> > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in great
> shape
> > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and surfaced
> the
> > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop but
> > they have lost my business.
> >
> > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine). I had
> > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my aluminum
> > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say, OK as
> > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before he can
> > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I needed
> the
> > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional 3.00
> > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the day
> > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked them if
> it
> > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem. Well if
> > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit Card
> > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I found
> out
> > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> >
> >
> > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady business
> > practices.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in a
> box.
> i
> > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the quality once
> > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> material.
> > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the same
> stuff
> i
> > > am or have done...
> > >
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is the
> brand
> a
> > > > quality product?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

William Oliveri

Hey Serg, They took .001 off. (That's 10 thousands, right? Anyway, he
told me ten thousands, my decimal representation may not be correct.

Bill


"serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:934d0785.0402240947.15eb81b3@posting.google.c om...
> Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
> the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
> the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
> are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
> the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
> parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
> everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
> months.
>
> it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
> don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
> taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
> machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
> confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
> bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
> holes welded shut too.
>
> did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
> they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
> u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
> rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
> correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
> guy.
>
> anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me a
> > price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> > (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand
price of
> > 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
> >
> > The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Hey Serg,
> > >
> > > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head reworked
and
> > > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced the
> > head.
> > >
> > > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a
parts
> > > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first
brought
> > it
> > > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> > needed.
> > > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head
surfaced,
> > > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and the
guy
> > at
> > > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even
better
> > > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I
later
> > > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold
off
> > for
> > > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they
gave
> > me
> > > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to pick
it
> > up
> > > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me
about
> > > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This
kinda
> > > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up
front
> > in
> > > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from
them
> > at
> > > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky,
too
> > bad
> > > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another
shop
> > > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in great
> > shape
> > > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and
surfaced
> > the
> > > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop
but
> > > they have lost my business.
> > >
> > > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine). I
had
> > > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my
aluminum
> > > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say, OK
as
> > > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before he
can
> > > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I
needed
> > the
> > > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional
3.00
> > > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the day
> > > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked them
if
> > it
> > > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem. Well
if
> > > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit
Card
> > > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I
found
> > out
> > > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady
business
> > > practices.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in a
> > box.
> > i
> > > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the quality
once
> > > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> > material.
> > > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the same
> > stuff
> > i
> > > > am or have done...
> > > >
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is the
> > brand
> > a
> > > > > quality product?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

William Oliveri

Hey Serg, They took .001 off. (That's 10 thousands, right? Anyway, he
told me ten thousands, my decimal representation may not be correct.

Bill


"serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:934d0785.0402240947.15eb81b3@posting.google.c om...
> Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
> the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
> the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
> are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
> the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
> parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
> everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
> months.
>
> it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
> don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
> taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
> machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
> confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
> bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
> holes welded shut too.
>
> did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
> they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
> u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
> rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
> correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
> guy.
>
> anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me a
> > price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> > (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand
price of
> > 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
> >
> > The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Hey Serg,
> > >
> > > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head reworked
and
> > > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced the
> > head.
> > >
> > > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a
parts
> > > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first
brought
> > it
> > > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> > needed.
> > > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head
surfaced,
> > > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and the
guy
> > at
> > > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even
better
> > > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I
later
> > > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold
off
> > for
> > > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they
gave
> > me
> > > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to pick
it
> > up
> > > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me
about
> > > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This
kinda
> > > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up
front
> > in
> > > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from
them
> > at
> > > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky,
too
> > bad
> > > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another
shop
> > > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in great
> > shape
> > > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and
surfaced
> > the
> > > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop
but
> > > they have lost my business.
> > >
> > > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine). I
had
> > > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my
aluminum
> > > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say, OK
as
> > > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before he
can
> > > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I
needed
> > the
> > > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional
3.00
> > > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the day
> > > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked them
if
> > it
> > > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem. Well
if
> > > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit
Card
> > > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I
found
> > out
> > > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady
business
> > > practices.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in a
> > box.
> > i
> > > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the quality
once
> > > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> > material.
> > > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the same
> > stuff
> > i
> > > > am or have done...
> > > >
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is the
> > brand
> > a
> > > > > quality product?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

William Oliveri

Hey Serg, They took .001 off. (That's 10 thousands, right? Anyway, he
told me ten thousands, my decimal representation may not be correct.

Bill


"serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:934d0785.0402240947.15eb81b3@posting.google.c om...
> Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
> the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
> the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
> are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
> the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
> parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
> everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
> months.
>
> it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
> don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
> taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
> machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
> confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
> bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
> holes welded shut too.
>
> did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
> they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
> u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
> rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
> correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
> guy.
>
> anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.
>
>
> "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me a
> > price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> > (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand
price of
> > 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
> >
> > The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Hey Serg,
> > >
> > > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head reworked
and
> > > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced the
> > head.
> > >
> > > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a
parts
> > > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first
brought
> > it
> > > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> > needed.
> > > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head
surfaced,
> > > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and the
guy
> > at
> > > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even
better
> > > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I
later
> > > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold
off
> > for
> > > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they
gave
> > me
> > > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to pick
it
> > up
> > > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me
about
> > > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This
kinda
> > > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up
front
> > in
> > > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from
them
> > at
> > > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky,
too
> > bad
> > > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another
shop
> > > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in great
> > shape
> > > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and
surfaced
> > the
> > > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop
but
> > > they have lost my business.
> > >
> > > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine). I
had
> > > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my
aluminum
> > > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say, OK
as
> > > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before he
can
> > > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I
needed
> > the
> > > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional
3.00
> > > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the day
> > > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked them
if
> > it
> > > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem. Well
if
> > > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit
Card
> > > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I
found
> > out
> > > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady
business
> > > practices.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in a
> > box.
> > i
> > > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the quality
once
> > > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> > material.
> > > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the same
> > stuff
> > i
> > > > am or have done...
> > > >
> > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is the
> > brand
> > a
> > > > > quality product?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

Carlo

..010"

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1g5n5$1iecjk$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hey Serg, They took .001 off. (That's 10 thousands, right? Anyway, he
> told me ten thousands, my decimal representation may not be correct.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:934d0785.0402240947.15eb81b3@posting.google.c om...
> > Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> > year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> > it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> > on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
> > the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
> > the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
> > are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
> > the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
> > parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
> > everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
> > months.
> >
> > it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
> > don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
> > taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
> > machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
> > confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
> > bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
> > holes welded shut too.
> >
> > did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
> > they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
> > u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
> > rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
> > correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
> > guy.
> >
> > anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me
a
> > > price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> > > (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand
> price of
> > > 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
> > >
> > > The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > Hey Serg,
> > > >
> > > > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head
reworked
> and
> > > > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced
the
> > > head.
> > > >
> > > > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a
> parts
> > > > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first
> brought
> > > it
> > > > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> > > needed.
> > > > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head
> surfaced,
> > > > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and
the
> guy
> > > at
> > > > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even
> better
> > > > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I
> later
> > > > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold
> off
> > > for
> > > > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they
> gave
> > > me
> > > > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to
pick
> it
> > > up
> > > > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me
> about
> > > > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This
> kinda
> > > > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up
> front
> > > in
> > > > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from
> them
> > > at
> > > > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky,
> too
> > > bad
> > > > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another
> shop
> > > > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in
great
> > > shape
> > > > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and
> surfaced
> > > the
> > > > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop
> but
> > > > they have lost my business.
> > > >
> > > > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine).
I
> had
> > > > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my
> aluminum
> > > > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say,
OK
> as
> > > > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before
he
> can
> > > > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I
> needed
> > > the
> > > > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional
> 3.00
> > > > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the
day
> > > > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked
them
> if
> > > it
> > > > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem.
Well
> if
> > > > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit
> Card
> > > > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I
> found
> > > out
> > > > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady
> business
> > > > practices.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in
a
> > > box.
> > > i
> > > > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the
quality
> once
> > > > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> > > material.
> > > > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the
same
> > > stuff
> > > i
> > > > > am or have done...
> > > > >
> > > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is
the
> > > brand
> > > a
> > > > > > quality product?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Carlo

..010"

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1g5n5$1iecjk$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hey Serg, They took .001 off. (That's 10 thousands, right? Anyway, he
> told me ten thousands, my decimal representation may not be correct.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:934d0785.0402240947.15eb81b3@posting.google.c om...
> > Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> > year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> > it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> > on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
> > the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
> > the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
> > are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
> > the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
> > parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
> > everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
> > months.
> >
> > it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
> > don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
> > taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
> > machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
> > confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
> > bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
> > holes welded shut too.
> >
> > did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
> > they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
> > u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
> > rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
> > correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
> > guy.
> >
> > anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me
a
> > > price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> > > (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand
> price of
> > > 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
> > >
> > > The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > Hey Serg,
> > > >
> > > > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head
reworked
> and
> > > > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced
the
> > > head.
> > > >
> > > > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a
> parts
> > > > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first
> brought
> > > it
> > > > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> > > needed.
> > > > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head
> surfaced,
> > > > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and
the
> guy
> > > at
> > > > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even
> better
> > > > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I
> later
> > > > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold
> off
> > > for
> > > > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they
> gave
> > > me
> > > > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to
pick
> it
> > > up
> > > > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me
> about
> > > > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This
> kinda
> > > > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up
> front
> > > in
> > > > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from
> them
> > > at
> > > > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky,
> too
> > > bad
> > > > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another
> shop
> > > > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in
great
> > > shape
> > > > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and
> surfaced
> > > the
> > > > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop
> but
> > > > they have lost my business.
> > > >
> > > > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine).
I
> had
> > > > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my
> aluminum
> > > > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say,
OK
> as
> > > > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before
he
> can
> > > > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I
> needed
> > > the
> > > > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional
> 3.00
> > > > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the
day
> > > > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked
them
> if
> > > it
> > > > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem.
Well
> if
> > > > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit
> Card
> > > > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I
> found
> > > out
> > > > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady
> business
> > > > practices.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in
a
> > > box.
> > > i
> > > > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the
quality
> once
> > > > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> > > material.
> > > > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the
same
> > > stuff
> > > i
> > > > > am or have done...
> > > > >
> > > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is
the
> > > brand
> > > a
> > > > > > quality product?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Carlo

..010"

--
Carlo F. Serusa, Jr. RPh
carlo.jr at comcast DOTnet
'98 Sahara TJ - '89 YJ - '79 Scout II
O|||||||O
'92 Explorer '65 Mustang


"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c1g5n5$1iecjk$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Hey Serg, They took .001 off. (That's 10 thousands, right? Anyway, he
> told me ten thousands, my decimal representation may not be correct.
>
> Bill
>
>
> "serg" <sfon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:934d0785.0402240947.15eb81b3@posting.google.c om...
> > Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> > year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> > it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> > on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve. i have to take
> > the frame to a shop to get that fixed and then i can start painting
> > the frame and putting it all together. the quotes i've been getting
> > are around $1200 for a 4.2 short block rebuild and close to #300 for
> > the 4.0 head rebuild. this includes doing everything to both. new
> > parts too. of couse i won't know the actual prices until i take
> > everything in. that will hopefully happen in the next couple of
> > months.
> >
> > it's amazing what some shops will do to take more money away from u.
> > don't ever go back to that other shop. ********... the shop i'm
> > taking mine too has been recommended by 3 diff. people. my dad's
> > machanic, my bmw mechanic and the shop guys next door. i feel pretty
> > confident they're a good shop. i also went and talked to them for a
> > bit and they seemed pretty cool. i think i may have the water jacket
> > holes welded shut too.
> >
> > did they shave off a great deal of the mating surface on the head? if
> > they did, you may have problems with the pushrods being too long when
> > u install it. one quick fix for that is putting washer under the
> > rocker arms. that's what the guy at sierrajeep.com did-if i remember
> > correctly. you can always email him about that. he's a pretty cool
> > guy.
> >
> > anyway, sorry about the long message. had a lot to say.
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> news:<c1eqle$1ffn52$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > > Ok, I just found the documentation on the 4.0L head. The shop gave me
a
> > > price of 245.00 to surface the head, valve job, and narrow the guides
> > > (Knurling). In addition, the head gasket kit was 85.00 for a grand
> price of
> > > 330.00 plus tax @ 7.75% = ~355.00.
> > >
> > > The second shop I took it to charged me 140.00, tax included.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c1ep72$1hslih$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > Hey Serg,
> > > >
> > > > Did you install your MPI kit yet? I just had the 4.0L head
reworked
> and
> > > > inspected. The machine shop did a 3 angle valve job and surfaced
the
> > > head.
> > > >
> > > > This was the second shop I took this head to. The first shop was a
> parts
> > > > store who sent it out of town to have it "looked at" when I first
> brought
> > > it
> > > > in. The told me the place would inspect it and let me know what it
> > > needed.
> > > > Later they called me and told me it needed a valve job, the head
> surfaced,
> > > > and work on the valve guides. The wanted to Knurl the guides and
the
> guy
> > > at
> > > > the parts store was telling me that knurling makes the guides even
> better
> > > > because it allows oil down into the guide for more lubrication. I
> later
> > > > find out what a load-o-crap that line was. Anyway, I told them hold
> off
> > > for
> > > > now and I'll bring it back when I have more cash (the estimate they
> gave
> > > me
> > > > was more than I expected). Turns out when I went to the shop to
pick
> it
> > > up
> > > > there was a 45.00 inspection fee that the parts shop didn't tell me
> about
> > > > that would be applied to the head work should I have it done. This
> kinda
> > > > pissed me off because they should have told me about this charge up
> front
> > > in
> > > > my opinion. Then they told me I had to buy the head gasket kit from
> them
> > > at
> > > > 80.00 or they couldn't complete the job. It was getting too sticky,
> too
> > > bad
> > > > a feeling, so I took the head home and just recently found another
> shop
> > > > locally I could deal with. This shop told me the guides were in
great
> > > shape
> > > > and didn't need to be redone at all so he did the valve job and
> surfaced
> > > the
> > > > head and the work looks great. I ate the 45.00 on the previous shop
> but
> > > > they have lost my business.
> > > >
> > > > I had an similar experience with Four Wheel Parts locally (Irvine).
I
> had
> > > > ordered some valve cover gaskets, the thicker cork ones for my
> aluminum
> > > > valve cover. The guy quoted me 8.00 each for the gaskets. I say,
OK
> as
> > > > that was a good price. First he needs my Credit Card number before
he
> can
> > > > order the gaskets which I didn't want to do but finally did cuz I
> needed
> > > the
> > > > gaskets. Then I go to pick them up and find there's an additional
> 3.00
> > > > shipping charge which again, pissed me off. Not only that but the
day
> > > > before I had changed plans and didn't need the gaskets and asked
them
> if
> > > it
> > > > would be ok to send them back and the guy says sure, no problem.
Well
> if
> > > > it's ok to send them back then why the he77 does he need my Credit
> Card
> > > > Number? Anyway, I decided to pick one up anyway (which was when I
> found
> > > out
> > > > about the 3.00 shipping charge) but I was still pissed.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, the point of these two stories and buyer beware of shady
> business
> > > > practices.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "serg" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:IIA_b.1879$Zz7.224@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com ...
> > > > > hi bill! did you install that 4.0 head yet?
> > > > > i have a set of brake lines (2 front, 1 rear) from them sitting in
a
> > > box.
> > > i
> > > > > haven't installed them yet so i can't really comment on the
quality
> once
> > > > > installed. the lines look really well made though, nice finish and
> > > material.
> > > > > too bad you're down south-sounds like you're doing a lot of the
same
> > > stuff
> > > i
> > > > > am or have done...
> > > > >
> > > > > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c1c3b8$1h0g4c$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > Can anyone comment on the quality of Russell Brake lines? Is
the
> > > brand
> > > a
> > > > > > quality product?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Mike Romain

serg wrote:
>
> Bill-nope! still haven't done it. i got really side-tracked late last
> year, then the holidays came and all that. i am now getting back to
> it. while taking some more stuff off the frame i found a small crack
> on the frame, right behind the brake metering valve.

Get that crack fixed fast!

Mine cracked there last year and just completely blew apart!

The spring hanger went right up through the frame and the crack almost
separated. I just got it fixed today and it was a big job.

That small crack meant the frame was starting to get soft and balloon
out. It then just up and blew out last New Years on a run I was on.
Crossed a deep narrow washout and bang...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's