Billy Tolcher

I own one. I also own an 86 CJ-7. Wanna buy it?

I am 25.

Billy


"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:beuuj1$97cu1$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> I don't think that I have ever seen anyone quite that young standing that
> close to a Rubicon before. ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "MJ w/ 2 TJ's" <tazgpXXX@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5zCQa.217092$Xl.3624261@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > wow...
> > i guess i am about 30+ years ahead of my time...however, those buicks
are
> > sure looking pretty snazzy...
> >
> > snobby jeep people suck...
> >
> >
> > --
> > MJ w/ 2 TJ's (Rube and Trevor James, yes he was named after a TJ)
> > 2003 Rubicon 4" Teraflex Long Arm Kit 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's Warn
> > XD9000i
> > '86 CJ 7 Chev 350, 350 Turbo Tran, Dana 44's 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR
> > www.tazjeep.com
> >
> >
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
> > news:beuf2b$924r9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > I live in Silverton, CO, Jeep paradise, there are lots of them here,
and
> > > from what I have seen you have to be at least sixty-five to own or
drive
> a
> > > Rubicon. I guess I won't be getting mine for twelve years then.
> Another
> > > rule is that you don't take a new vehicle like a Rubicon or its sister
> the
> > > Liberty on actual four wheel drive trails. The kids who actually like
> to
> > > off road and are good at it drive CJ7s, old Wranglers, FJ-40s, full
> sized
> > > Blazers, Samurais, CRVs (!), beat up Toyota pickups, short bed step
side
> > > Ford pickups. Don't have the paint looking too good and drive it here
> if
> > > you don't want to be laughed at. If you flat tow it behind a motor
home
> > > that is almost acceptable. ;o)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Desert YJ" <jeepaholics@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:disQa.1056$Mc.90236@newsread1.prod.itd.earthl ink.net...
> > > > The Rubi isn't just about lockers - look at the t-case. If you're
> going
> > to
> > > > build up a Jeep, get a Rubi, put a lift, winch and 35's on it and
> you're
> > > > done! That's what I did.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Boneman1" <boneman1@charter.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:cfjtgvgjq0q8tvln1cnk1sl98tc8v5rsi3@4ax.com...
> > > > > I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to
> see
> > > > > what some of you that have had one for a while think about them.
> I'll
> > > > > be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun.
> Is
> > > > > it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
> > > > > Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance for your advice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Thomas Waldron

I was in Silverton they day before yesterday in my Rubi and I'm not even
close to 65. Every Rubi I saw there had a driver much under retirement
age. Of those I saw, only one was lifted and he was from Texas too. I
did see a Libby on Engineer Pass trail, but I'd have to agree with the
description of the 'other' vehicles up there with the exception of the
comment about 'new' vehicles. I saw plenty of newer vehicles on the
trail. The prevalent vehicle had to be the rental TJ X's though.

Earle Horton wrote:
> I live in Silverton, CO, Jeep paradise, there are lots of them here, and
> from what I have seen you have to be at least sixty-five to own or drive a
> Rubicon. I guess I won't be getting mine for twelve years then. Another
> rule is that you don't take a new vehicle like a Rubicon or its sister the
> Liberty on actual four wheel drive trails. The kids who actually like to
> off road and are good at it drive CJ7s, old Wranglers, FJ-40s, full sized
> Blazers, Samurais, CRVs (!), beat up Toyota pickups, short bed step side
> Ford pickups. Don't have the paint looking too good and drive it here if
> you don't want to be laughed at. If you flat tow it behind a motor home
> that is almost acceptable. ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "Desert YJ" <jeepaholics@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:disQa.1056$Mc.90236@newsread1.prod.itd.earthl ink.net...
>
>>The Rubi isn't just about lockers - look at the t-case. If you're going to
>>build up a Jeep, get a Rubi, put a lift, winch and 35's on it and you're
>>done! That's what I did.
>>
>>
>>"Boneman1" <boneman1@charter.net> wrote in message
>>news:cfjtgvgjq0q8tvln1cnk1sl98tc8v5rsi3@4ax.com. ..
>>
>>>I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to see
>>>what some of you that have had one for a while think about them. I'll
>>>be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun. Is
>>>it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
>>>Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for your advice.
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>
>>
>
>


--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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E.L. Lambert

> I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to see
> what some of you that have had one for a while think about them. I'll
> be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun. Is
> it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
> Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
>

I just can't see the sense in paying the high price for a new Rubi.
For your top dollar, you are getting decent, but not great, off-road
performance. (No lift, no Dana 60, no 8-cylinder engine.)

The way I see it, there are two kinds of jeeps: Street cruisers and
true off-roaders. If you want a street cruiser, buy an SE or a Sport
and have fun with it. If you want a true off-roader, you could buy a
built CJ with dual locking Dana 60s and 44 inch super swampers for
1/3 the cost of a new Rubi.

The Rubi exists in this weird half-of-both world. People who buy
Rubis and don't have any offroading plans are morons with wallets
bigger than their brains. People who have true offroading plans know
the stock Rubi isn't up to the job... unless you have Bill Gates'
budget to trick it out.

Earle Horton

Why the hell didn't you stop by or at least call? ;o)

Earle

"Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3F157CB8.90100@sbcglobal.net...
> I was in Silverton they day before yesterday in my Rubi and I'm not even
> close to 65. Every Rubi I saw there had a driver much under retirement
> age. Of those I saw, only one was lifted and he was from Texas too. I
> did see a Libby on Engineer Pass trail, but I'd have to agree with the
> description of the 'other' vehicles up there with the exception of the
> comment about 'new' vehicles. I saw plenty of newer vehicles on the
> trail. The prevalent vehicle had to be the rental TJ X's though.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > I live in Silverton, CO, Jeep paradise, there are lots of them here, and
> > from what I have seen you have to be at least sixty-five to own or drive
a
> > Rubicon. I guess I won't be getting mine for twelve years then.
Another
> > rule is that you don't take a new vehicle like a Rubicon or its sister
the
> > Liberty on actual four wheel drive trails. The kids who actually like
to
> > off road and are good at it drive CJ7s, old Wranglers, FJ-40s, full
sized
> > Blazers, Samurais, CRVs (!), beat up Toyota pickups, short bed step side
> > Ford pickups. Don't have the paint looking too good and drive it here
if
> > you don't want to be laughed at. If you flat tow it behind a motor home
> > that is almost acceptable. ;o)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Desert YJ" <jeepaholics@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:disQa.1056$Mc.90236@newsread1.prod.itd.earthl ink.net...
> >
> >>The Rubi isn't just about lockers - look at the t-case. If you're going
to
> >>build up a Jeep, get a Rubi, put a lift, winch and 35's on it and you're
> >>done! That's what I did.
> >>
> >>
> >>"Boneman1" <boneman1@charter.net> wrote in message
> >>news:cfjtgvgjq0q8tvln1cnk1sl98tc8v5rsi3@4ax.com. ..
> >>
> >>>I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to see
> >>>what some of you that have had one for a while think about them. I'll
> >>>be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun. Is
> >>>it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
> >>>Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks in advance for your advice.
> >>>
> >>>Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.jeepn.org/members/html/twaldron.html
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>

Thomas Waldron

Actually, I thought about looking for the International you were talking
about, but we ate a late lunch and took off for Ouray to get on
Engineer. My daughter found the gift shops most intriguing so I had to
get out of there fast. :)

Earle Horton wrote:
> Why the hell didn't you stop by or at least call? ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3F157CB8.90100@sbcglobal.net...
>
>>I was in Silverton they day before yesterday in my Rubi and I'm not even
>>close to 65. Every Rubi I saw there had a driver much under retirement
>>age. Of those I saw, only one was lifted and he was from Texas too. I
>>did see a Libby on Engineer Pass trail, but I'd have to agree with the
>>description of the 'other' vehicles up there with the exception of the
>>comment about 'new' vehicles. I saw plenty of newer vehicles on the
>>trail. The prevalent vehicle had to be the rental TJ X's though.
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>I live in Silverton, CO, Jeep paradise, there are lots of them here, and
>>>from what I have seen you have to be at least sixty-five to own or drive
>>
> a
>
>>>Rubicon. I guess I won't be getting mine for twelve years then.
>>
> Another
>
>>>rule is that you don't take a new vehicle like a Rubicon or its sister
>>
> the
>
>>>Liberty on actual four wheel drive trails. The kids who actually like
>>
> to
>
>>>off road and are good at it drive CJ7s, old Wranglers, FJ-40s, full
>>
> sized
>
>>>Blazers, Samurais, CRVs (!), beat up Toyota pickups, short bed step side
>>>Ford pickups. Don't have the paint looking too good and drive it here
>>
> if
>
>>>you don't want to be laughed at. If you flat tow it behind a motor home
>>>that is almost acceptable. ;o)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Desert YJ" <jeepaholics@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>news:disQa.1056$Mc.90236@newsread1.prod.itd.ear thlink.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Rubi isn't just about lockers - look at the t-case. If you're going
>>>
> to
>
>>>>build up a Jeep, get a Rubi, put a lift, winch and 35's on it and you're
>>>>done! That's what I did.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Boneman1" <boneman1@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:cfjtgvgjq0q8tvln1cnk1sl98tc8v5rsi3@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to see
>>>>>what some of you that have had one for a while think about them. I'll
>>>>>be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun. Is
>>>>>it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
>>>>>Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance for your advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.jeepn.org/members/html/twaldron.html
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>


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__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Billy Tolcher

---- YOU
"E.L. Lambert" <lambeth65@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:76b045c1.0307161110.2299db5b@posting.google.c om...
> > I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to see
> > what some of you that have had one for a while think about them. I'll
> > be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun. Is
> > it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
> > Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
> >
>
> I just can't see the sense in paying the high price for a new Rubi.
> For your top dollar, you are getting decent, but not great, off-road
> performance. (No lift, no Dana 60, no 8-cylinder engine.)
>
> The way I see it, there are two kinds of jeeps: Street cruisers and
> true off-roaders. If you want a street cruiser, buy an SE or a Sport
> and have fun with it. If you want a true off-roader, you could buy a
> built CJ with dual locking Dana 60s and 44 inch super swampers for
> 1/3 the cost of a new Rubi.
>
> The Rubi exists in this weird half-of-both world. People who buy
> Rubis and don't have any offroading plans are morons with wallets
> bigger than their brains. People who have true offroading plans know
> the stock Rubi isn't up to the job... unless you have Bill Gates'
> budget to trick it out.

Thomas Waldron

The folks in Lake City got most of my money, but I did spend some in
Silverton. I certainly will be back. It's incredible countryside, to say
the least. After all, I still have to tackle Black Bear. :)

Earle Horton wrote:
> You should have stayed a bit longer. My friends need the business. ;o)
> Glad you both liked it here. The Scout is still sitting on the street,
> still has the For Sale sign, still calling to me.
>
> Earle
>
> "Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:3F15D65D.6070802@sbcglobal.net...
>
>>Actually, I thought about looking for the International you were talking
>>about, but we ate a late lunch and took off for Ouray to get on
>>Engineer. My daughter found the gift shops most intriguing so I had to
>>get out of there fast. :)
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>>Why the hell didn't you stop by or at least call? ;o)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3F157CB8.90100@sbcglobal.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was in Silverton they day before yesterday in my Rubi and I'm not even
>>>>close to 65. Every Rubi I saw there had a driver much under retirement
>>>>age. Of those I saw, only one was lifted and he was from Texas too. I
>>>>did see a Libby on Engineer Pass trail, but I'd have to agree with the
>>>>description of the 'other' vehicles up there with the exception of the
>>>>comment about 'new' vehicles. I saw plenty of newer vehicles on the
>>>>trail. The prevalent vehicle had to be the rental TJ X's though.
>>>>
>>>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I live in Silverton, CO, Jeep paradise, there are lots of them here,
>>>>
> and
>
>>>>>from what I have seen you have to be at least sixty-five to own or
>>>
> drive
>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Rubicon. I guess I won't be getting mine for twelve years then.
>>>>
>>>Another
>>>
>>>
>>>>>rule is that you don't take a new vehicle like a Rubicon or its sister
>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Liberty on actual four wheel drive trails. The kids who actually like
>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>off road and are good at it drive CJ7s, old Wranglers, FJ-40s, full
>>>>
>>>sized
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Blazers, Samurais, CRVs (!), beat up Toyota pickups, short bed step
>>>>
> side
>
>>>>>Ford pickups. Don't have the paint looking too good and drive it here
>>>>
>>>if
>>>
>>>
>>>>>you don't want to be laughed at. If you flat tow it behind a motor
>>>>
> home
>
>>>>>that is almost acceptable. ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>Earle
>>>>>
>>>>>"Desert YJ" <jeepaholics@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:disQa.1056$Mc.90236@newsread1.prod.itd.e arthlink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The Rubi isn't just about lockers - look at the t-case. If you're
>>>>>
> going
>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>build up a Jeep, get a Rubi, put a lift, winch and 35's on it and
>>>>>
> you're
>
>>>>>>done! That's what I did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Boneman1" <boneman1@charter.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:cfjtgvgjq0q8tvln1cnk1sl98tc8v5rsi3@4ax. com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to see
>>>>>>>what some of you that have had one for a while think about them.
>>>>>>
> I'll
>
>>>>>>>be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun.
>>>>>>
> Is
>
>>>>>>>it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
>>>>>>>Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks in advance for your advice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>______________________________________________ _____________
>>>>tw
>>>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>>>01 XJ Sport
>>>>
>>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>>>-- Dave Barry
>>>>
>>>>http://www.jeepn.org/members/html/twaldron.html
>>>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>>>______________________________________________ _____________
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.jeepn.org/members/html/twaldron.html
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>


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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

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Earle Horton

Next time, give me a call. My wife has almost got over thinking that people
I meet on the internet are serial killers, and she's a sucker for kids
(although she won't admit it). And come to Silverton first. It's our turn
to get your money. ;o)

That Scout might still be here too. I've decided to use the money on an
axle upgrade for the Jeep. It is galvanized, after all.

Earle

"Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:3F16088B.8040002@sbcglobal.net...
> The folks in Lake City got most of my money, but I did spend some in
> Silverton. I certainly will be back. It's incredible countryside, to say
> the least. After all, I still have to tackle Black Bear. :)
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > You should have stayed a bit longer. My friends need the business. ;o)
> > Glad you both liked it here. The Scout is still sitting on the street,
> > still has the For Sale sign, still calling to me.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:3F15D65D.6070802@sbcglobal.net...
> >
> >>Actually, I thought about looking for the International you were talking
> >>about, but we ate a late lunch and took off for Ouray to get on
> >>Engineer. My daughter found the gift shops most intriguing so I had to
> >>get out of there fast. :)
> >>
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>>Why the hell didn't you stop by or at least call? ;o)
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>>"Thomas Waldron" <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:3F157CB8.90100@sbcglobal.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I was in Silverton they day before yesterday in my Rubi and I'm not
even
> >>>>close to 65. Every Rubi I saw there had a driver much under retirement
> >>>>age. Of those I saw, only one was lifted and he was from Texas too. I
> >>>>did see a Libby on Engineer Pass trail, but I'd have to agree with the
> >>>>description of the 'other' vehicles up there with the exception of the
> >>>>comment about 'new' vehicles. I saw plenty of newer vehicles on the
> >>>>trail. The prevalent vehicle had to be the rental TJ X's though.
> >>>>
> >>>>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I live in Silverton, CO, Jeep paradise, there are lots of them here,
> >>>>
> > and
> >
> >>>>>from what I have seen you have to be at least sixty-five to own or
> >>>
> > drive
> >
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Rubicon. I guess I won't be getting mine for twelve years then.
> >>>>
> >>>Another
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>rule is that you don't take a new vehicle like a Rubicon or its
sister
> >>>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Liberty on actual four wheel drive trails. The kids who actually
like
> >>>>
> >>>to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>off road and are good at it drive CJ7s, old Wranglers, FJ-40s, full
> >>>>
> >>>sized
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Blazers, Samurais, CRVs (!), beat up Toyota pickups, short bed step
> >>>>
> > side
> >
> >>>>>Ford pickups. Don't have the paint looking too good and drive it
here
> >>>>
> >>>if
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>you don't want to be laughed at. If you flat tow it behind a motor
> >>>>
> > home
> >
> >>>>>that is almost acceptable. ;o)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Earle
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Desert YJ" <jeepaholics@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:disQa.1056$Mc.90236@newsread1.prod.itd.e arthlink.net...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>The Rubi isn't just about lockers - look at the t-case. If you're
> >>>>>
> > going
> >
> >>>to
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>build up a Jeep, get a Rubi, put a lift, winch and 35's on it and
> >>>>>
> > you're
> >
> >>>>>>done! That's what I did.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Boneman1" <boneman1@charter.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:cfjtgvgjq0q8tvln1cnk1sl98tc8v5rsi3@4ax. com...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I've been thinking about buying the Jeep Rubicon, but I wanted to
see
> >>>>>>>what some of you that have had one for a while think about them.
> >>>>>>
> > I'll
> >
> >>>>>>>be using it as my daily driver as well as occasional off road fun.
> >>>>>>
> > Is
> >
> >>>>>>>it worth the extra money or would my money be better spent on the
> >>>>>>>Sport or X and then adding a lift, tires, and lockers on my own?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Thanks in advance for your advice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Jeff
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>tw
> >>>>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>>>01 XJ Sport
> >>>>
> >>>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>>>-- Dave Barry
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.jeepn.org/members/html/twaldron.html
> >>>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> >>>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>>>______________________________________________ _____________
> >>>>
> >>>
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E.L. Lambert

Thomas Waldron <obviousTWaldron@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<3F15D7B3.2020605@sbcglobal.net>...

> Have you never owned the 6cyl?? It is more than capable.
>
> I guess that eliminates 95% of Jeep owners who use them as dual purpose.
> Must've been tough in high school choosing that first car...gosh, the
> top fuel
> dragster or the Geo...


If by "dual purpose" and "capable" you mean it is good for both the
street and occasional mild off road conditions where a car such as a
Honda sedan could probably not pass, fine. But if you mean, let's
say, the major trails at Moab, your stock Rubicon is going to get left
behind or broken.

A stock Rubicon will not handle serious trails. Don't feel bad, no
stock vehicle can. They just don't have the lift, tires, etc.

I'm not saying a Rubicon can't be made into a rockcrawler for the
right price. Hell, you can build a Yugo into an offroader that will
put most jeeps to shame, if you have unlimited time, knowledge, and
budget. What I'm saying is that if your primary goal is wheelin',
the $30k+ that you'll spend to get a Rubicon, lift it, put 35+ inch
tires on it, etc., is not the most efficient use of your money. You
could have a rip roarin' CJ or YJ for much, much, much less.

True, a hard core CJ or YJ would not be as stylish, modern, or shiny
looking in the mall parking lot as a pretty new stock Rubicon. Which
reinforces the other point I was making: If you want a street cruiser,
the cash for the Dana 44s, 4:1 tcase, and other Rubicon goodies is
gonna go to waste. If you want a street cruiser, get a sport or SE,
and spend the cash you saved on lowering it down, putting some
blacklights and ground effects underneath, and installing a massive
stereo and amplifier. That type of jeep wouldn't be my cup of tea,
but hey, to each his own.

Billy Tolcher

....No.

I actually had just stepped in from an after hours meeting, and was somewhat
intoxicated. I suppose my true feelings must have slipped out
inadvertantly. I apologize for the outburst, and less than tactly approach.
However, I have no regrets.

Carry on...

Billy
86 CJ 7
03 Rubicon


"E.L. Lambert" <lambeth65@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:76b045c1.0307170703.287f1e41@posting.google.c om...
> "Billy Tolcher" <btolcher@sc.xxxrr.com> wrote in message
news:<MimRa.300866$jp.7973793@twister.southeast.rr .com>...
> > ---- YOU
>
> My goodness! Touched a sensitive nerve, didn't I? Let me guess...
> you bought a new stock Rubi, ran right out to the trail, and got
> hung up on all kinds of obstacles... The same obstacles that didn't
> faze some slightly modified CJs which would have cost you a fraction
> of the price. Am I right?