Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
07-06-2003, 01:54 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> LOL!
>
> Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
>
> When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
>
> By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> right on through the intersection.
>
> I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
stinking
> > ABS brakes...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
need
> > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > > decides to stop you.
> > >
> > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > > crawling Jerry does.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
surfaces
> > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > > situations.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
off
> > at
> > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
for
> > a
> > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
wiring:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
brakes
> >
> > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> > always
> > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> > highways
> > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
inline
> > with
> > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> > standard,
> > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
get
> > > > > informative,
> > > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
everyday
> > (40
> > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> > safety
> > > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
one
> > rainy
> > > > > and/or
> > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> > occasionally,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
is
> > an
> > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
when
> > > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> > "Mike
> > > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
crest
> > them,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
assed
> > ATV
> > > > > trail
> > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
his
> > > > > brakes
> > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
pulled
> > the
> > > > > fuse
> > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
at
> > trail
> > > > > speeds the
> > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> LOL!
>
> Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
>
> When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
>
> By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> right on through the intersection.
>
> I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
stinking
> > ABS brakes...
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
need
> > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > > decides to stop you.
> > >
> > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > > crawling Jerry does.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
surfaces
> > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > > situations.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
off
> > at
> > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
for
> > a
> > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
wiring:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> >
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
brakes
> >
> > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> > always
> > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> > highways
> > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
inline
> > with
> > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> > standard,
> > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
get
> > > > > informative,
> > > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
everyday
> > (40
> > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> > safety
> > > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
one
> > rainy
> > > > > and/or
> > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> > occasionally,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
is
> > an
> > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
when
> > > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> > "Mike
> > > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
crest
> > them,
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
assed
> > ATV
> > > > > trail
> > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
his
> > > > > brakes
> > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
pulled
> > the
> > > > > fuse
> > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
at
> > trail
> > > > > speeds the
> > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-06-2003, 02:00 PM
#12
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Gee Earle, you must be really old. By the time I managed to
sneak a set of car keys, all of the cars had wheels.
Seriously, the first time you drive on snot ice didn't have
nearly the pucker factor as the first time you got too brave
and tried to stop on snotslick ice. Thank goodness where I
grew up, the roads had the decency to be so damned cold the
ice wasn't nearly as slippery as it tends to get at temps
between 25 to 40 degrees.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
>> LOL!
>>
>> Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
>>
>> When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
>> so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
>> automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
>> stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
>>
>> By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
>> the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
>> right on through the intersection.
>>
>> I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> stinking
>> > ABS brakes...
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
>> > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> need
>> > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
>> > > decides to stop you.
>> > >
>> > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
>> > > crawling Jerry does.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > Will Honea wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
>> > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
>> > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
>> > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> surfaces
>> > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
>> > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
>> > > > situations.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> off
>> > at
>> > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jerry
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Jerry Bransford
>> > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>> > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
>> > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
>> > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
> for
>> > a
>> > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> wiring:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mike
>> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> brakes
>> >
>> > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
>> > always
>> > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
>> > highways
>> > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> inline
>> > with
>> > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
>> > standard,
>> > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
> get
>> > > > > informative,
>> > > > > > > > useful information here.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> everyday
>> > (40
>> > > > > miles
>> > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
>> > safety
>> > > > > reasons.
>> > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
> one
>> > rainy
>> > > > > and/or
>> > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
>> > occasionally,
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
> is
>> > an
>> > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> when
>> > > > > off-roading.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Steve
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
>> > "Mike
>> > > > > Romain"
>> > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> crest
>> > them,
>> > > > > then
>> > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> assed
>> > ATV
>> > > > > trail
>> > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
> his
>> > > > > brakes
>> > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> pulled
>> > the
>> > > > > fuse
>> > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Mike
>> > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
>> > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
>> > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>> > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
>> > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
> at
>> > trail
>> > > > > speeds the
>> > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
>> > > > > > > >>> * * *
>> > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
>> > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
>> > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
>> > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>
>
sneak a set of car keys, all of the cars had wheels.
Seriously, the first time you drive on snot ice didn't have
nearly the pucker factor as the first time you got too brave
and tried to stop on snotslick ice. Thank goodness where I
grew up, the roads had the decency to be so damned cold the
ice wasn't nearly as slippery as it tends to get at temps
between 25 to 40 degrees.
Earle Horton wrote:
> Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
>> LOL!
>>
>> Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
>>
>> When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
>> so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
>> automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
>> stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
>>
>> By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
>> the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
>> right on through the intersection.
>>
>> I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>> >
>> > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> stinking
>> > ABS brakes...
>> >
>> > Earle
>> >
>> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
>> > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> need
>> > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
>> > > decides to stop you.
>> > >
>> > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
>> > > crawling Jerry does.
>> > >
>> > > Mike
>> > >
>> > > Will Honea wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
>> > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
>> > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
>> > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> surfaces
>> > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
>> > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
>> > > > situations.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> off
>> > at
>> > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jerry
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Jerry Bransford
>> > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
>> > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
>> > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
>> > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
>> > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
> for
>> > a
>> > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> wiring:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Mike
>> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> brakes
>> >
>> > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
>> > always
>> > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
>> > highways
>> > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> inline
>> > with
>> > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
>> > standard,
>> > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
> get
>> > > > > informative,
>> > > > > > > > useful information here.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> everyday
>> > (40
>> > > > > miles
>> > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
>> > safety
>> > > > > reasons.
>> > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
> one
>> > rainy
>> > > > > and/or
>> > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
>> > occasionally,
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
> is
>> > an
>> > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> when
>> > > > > off-roading.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Steve
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
>> > "Mike
>> > > > > Romain"
>> > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> crest
>> > them,
>> > > > > then
>> > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> assed
>> > ATV
>> > > > > trail
>> > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
> his
>> > > > > brakes
>> > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> pulled
>> > the
>> > > > > fuse
>> > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Mike
>> > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
>> > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>> > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
>> > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>> > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
>> > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
> at
>> > trail
>> > > > > speeds the
>> > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
>> > > > > > > >>> * * *
>> > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
>> > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
>> > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
>> > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
>
>
07-06-2003, 02:01 PM
#13
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
?????
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
> >
> > When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> > so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> > automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> > stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
> >
> > By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> > the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> > right on through the intersection.
> >
> > I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> stinking
> > > ABS brakes...
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> need
> > > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > > > decides to stop you.
> > > >
> > > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > > > crawling Jerry does.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> surfaces
> > > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > > > situations.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> off
> > > at
> > > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
> for
> > > a
> > > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> wiring:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> brakes
> > >
> > > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> > > always
> > > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> > > highways
> > > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> inline
> > > with
> > > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> > > standard,
> > > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
> get
> > > > > > informative,
> > > > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> everyday
> > > (40
> > > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> > > safety
> > > > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
> one
> > > rainy
> > > > > > and/or
> > > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> > > occasionally,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
> is
> > > an
> > > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> when
> > > > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> > > "Mike
> > > > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> crest
> > > them,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> assed
> > > ATV
> > > > > > trail
> > > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
> his
> > > > > > brakes
> > > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> pulled
> > > the
> > > > > > fuse
> > > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
> at
> > > trail
> > > > > > speeds the
> > > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
> >
> > When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> > so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> > automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> > stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
> >
> > By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> > the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> > right on through the intersection.
> >
> > I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> stinking
> > > ABS brakes...
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> need
> > > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > > > decides to stop you.
> > > >
> > > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > > > crawling Jerry does.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> surfaces
> > > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > > > situations.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> off
> > > at
> > > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
> for
> > > a
> > > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> wiring:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> brakes
> > >
> > > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> > > always
> > > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> > > highways
> > > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> inline
> > > with
> > > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> > > standard,
> > > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
> get
> > > > > > informative,
> > > > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> everyday
> > > (40
> > > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> > > safety
> > > > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
> one
> > > rainy
> > > > > > and/or
> > > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> > > occasionally,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
> is
> > > an
> > > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> when
> > > > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> > > "Mike
> > > > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> crest
> > > them,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> assed
> > > ATV
> > > > > > trail
> > > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
> his
> > > > > > brakes
> > > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> pulled
> > > the
> > > > > > fuse
> > > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
> at
> > > trail
> > > > > > speeds the
> > > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-06-2003, 02:08 PM
#14
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Damn, it was supposed to say "front wheel drive car!"
I learned to drive in Massachusetts, but when I moved to Virginia the first
winter scared the ---- out of me.
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UsZNa.19922$Ey6.9061@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...
> Gee Earle, you must be really old. By the time I managed to
> sneak a set of car keys, all of the cars had wheels.
>
> Seriously, the first time you drive on snot ice didn't have
> nearly the pucker factor as the first time you got too brave
> and tried to stop on snotslick ice. Thank goodness where I
> grew up, the roads had the decency to be so damned cold the
> ice wasn't nearly as slippery as it tends to get at temps
> between 25 to 40 degrees.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice
storms.
> >>
> >> When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> >> so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> >> automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> >> stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
> >>
> >> By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> >> the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> >> right on through the intersection.
> >>
> >> I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> > stinking
> >> > ABS brakes...
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> >> > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> > need
> >> > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the
tree
> >> > > decides to stop you.
> >> > >
> >> > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the
rock
> >> > > crawling Jerry does.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike
> >> > >
> >> > > Will Honea wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the
wife's
> >> > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds
as
> >> > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense
otherwise -
> >> > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> > surfaces
> >> > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes
from
> >> > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot
of
> >> > > > situations.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford"
<jerrypb@***.net>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> > off
> >> > at
> >> > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Jerry
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> >> > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> >> > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> >> > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> >> > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger
signal
> > for
> >> > a
> >> > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> > wiring:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> >
> >
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Mike
> >> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> > brakes
> >> >
> >> > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but
don't
> >> > always
> >> > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> >> > highways
> >> > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> > inline
> >> > with
> >> > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't
one
> >> > standard,
> >> > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew
I'd
> > get
> >> > > > > informative,
> >> > > > > > > > useful information here.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> > everyday
> >> > (40
> >> > > > > miles
> >> > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS
for
> >> > safety
> >> > > > > reasons.
> >> > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more
than
> > one
> >> > rainy
> >> > > > > and/or
> >> > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> >> > occasionally,
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best
bet
> > is
> >> > an
> >> > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> > when
> >> > > > > off-roading.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Steve
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> > 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> >> > "Mike
> >> > > > > Romain"
> >> > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> > crest
> >> > them,
> >> > > > > then
> >> > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> > assed
> >> > ATV
> >> > > > > trail
> >> > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree
because
> > his
> >> > > > > brakes
> >> > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> > pulled
> >> > the
> >> > > > > fuse
> >> > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> Mike
> >> > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > '00
> >> > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > >>> In article
<20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> >> > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> >> > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> >> > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds."
Meaning
> > at
> >> > trail
> >> > > > > speeds the
> >> > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> >> > > > > > > >>> * * *
> >> > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >> > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> >> > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> >> > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> >
> >
>
I learned to drive in Massachusetts, but when I moved to Virginia the first
winter scared the ---- out of me.
Earle
"Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:UsZNa.19922$Ey6.9061@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.ne t...
> Gee Earle, you must be really old. By the time I managed to
> sneak a set of car keys, all of the cars had wheels.
>
> Seriously, the first time you drive on snot ice didn't have
> nearly the pucker factor as the first time you got too brave
> and tried to stop on snotslick ice. Thank goodness where I
> grew up, the roads had the decency to be so damned cold the
> ice wasn't nearly as slippery as it tends to get at temps
> between 25 to 40 degrees.
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice
storms.
> >>
> >> When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> >> so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> >> automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> >> stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
> >>
> >> By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> >> the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> >> right on through the intersection.
> >>
> >> I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Earle Horton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> > stinking
> >> > ABS brakes...
> >> >
> >> > Earle
> >> >
> >> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> >> > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> > need
> >> > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the
tree
> >> > > decides to stop you.
> >> > >
> >> > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the
rock
> >> > > crawling Jerry does.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike
> >> > >
> >> > > Will Honea wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the
wife's
> >> > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds
as
> >> > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense
otherwise -
> >> > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> > surfaces
> >> > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes
from
> >> > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot
of
> >> > > > situations.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford"
<jerrypb@***.net>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> > off
> >> > at
> >> > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Jerry
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Jerry Bransford
> >> > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> >> > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> >> > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> >> > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> >> > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger
signal
> > for
> >> > a
> >> > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> > wiring:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> >
> >
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Mike
> >> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> > brakes
> >> >
> >> > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but
don't
> >> > always
> >> > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> >> > highways
> >> > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> > inline
> >> > with
> >> > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't
one
> >> > standard,
> >> > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew
I'd
> > get
> >> > > > > informative,
> >> > > > > > > > useful information here.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> > everyday
> >> > (40
> >> > > > > miles
> >> > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS
for
> >> > safety
> >> > > > > reasons.
> >> > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more
than
> > one
> >> > rainy
> >> > > > > and/or
> >> > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> >> > occasionally,
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best
bet
> > is
> >> > an
> >> > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> > when
> >> > > > > off-roading.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Steve
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> > 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> >> > "Mike
> >> > > > > Romain"
> >> > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> > crest
> >> > them,
> >> > > > > then
> >> > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> > assed
> >> > ATV
> >> > > > > trail
> >> > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree
because
> > his
> >> > > > > brakes
> >> > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> > pulled
> >> > the
> >> > > > > fuse
> >> > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> Mike
> >> > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > '00
> >> > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > >>> In article
<20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> >> > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> >> > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> >> > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds."
Meaning
> > at
> >> > trail
> >> > > > > speeds the
> >> > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> >> > > > > > > >>> * * *
> >> > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >> > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> >> > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> >> > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
> >
> >
>
07-06-2003, 02:08 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
?
If you mean front wheel drive, oh ya I remember for sure. It was
totally insane going from a full sized station wagon to an Austin Mini.
Damn, did I ever have fun with that thing in snow and ice.
Front wheel drives were few and far between then. Honda Civics and my
neighbor (doctor) bought an Olds Tornado FWD after watching me make it
home up our big hill in the Mini every storm. No more leaving the car
at the bottom of the street and walking for him...
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
> >
> > When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> > so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> > automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> > stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
> >
> > By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> > the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> > right on through the intersection.
> >
> > I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> stinking
> > > ABS brakes...
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> need
> > > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > > > decides to stop you.
> > > >
> > > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > > > crawling Jerry does.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> surfaces
> > > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > > > situations.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> off
> > > at
> > > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
> for
> > > a
> > > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> wiring:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> brakes
> > >
> > > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> > > always
> > > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> > > highways
> > > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> inline
> > > with
> > > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> > > standard,
> > > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
> get
> > > > > > informative,
> > > > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> everyday
> > > (40
> > > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> > > safety
> > > > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
> one
> > > rainy
> > > > > > and/or
> > > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> > > occasionally,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
> is
> > > an
> > > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> when
> > > > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> > > "Mike
> > > > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> crest
> > > them,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> assed
> > > ATV
> > > > > > trail
> > > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
> his
> > > > > > brakes
> > > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> pulled
> > > the
> > > > > > fuse
> > > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
> at
> > > trail
> > > > > > speeds the
> > > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
If you mean front wheel drive, oh ya I remember for sure. It was
totally insane going from a full sized station wagon to an Austin Mini.
Damn, did I ever have fun with that thing in snow and ice.
Front wheel drives were few and far between then. Honda Civics and my
neighbor (doctor) bought an Olds Tornado FWD after watching me make it
home up our big hill in the Mini every storm. No more leaving the car
at the bottom of the street and walking for him...
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Remember the first time you drove a wheel drive car in snow?
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F084E4A.C18CFC0F@sympatico.ca...
> > LOL!
> >
> > Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
> >
> > When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
> > so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
> > automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
> > stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
> >
> > By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
> > the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
> > right on through the intersection.
> >
> > I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Earle Horton wrote:
> > >
> > > I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no
> stinking
> > > ABS brakes...
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and
> need
> > > > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > > > decides to stop you.
> > > >
> > > > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > > > crawling Jerry does.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Will Honea wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type
> surfaces
> > > > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > > > situations.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself
> off
> > > at
> > > > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jerry
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal
> for
> > > a
> > > > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay
> wiring:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the
> brakes
> > >
> > > > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> > > always
> > > > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> > > highways
> > > > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch
> inline
> > > with
> > > > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> > > standard,
> > > > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd
> get
> > > > > > informative,
> > > > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute
> everyday
> > > (40
> > > > > > miles
> > > > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> > > safety
> > > > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than
> one
> > > rainy
> > > > > > and/or
> > > > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> > > occasionally,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet
> is
> > > an
> > > > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse
> when
> > > > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article
> 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> > > "Mike
> > > > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to
> crest
> > > them,
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny
> assed
> > > ATV
> > > > > > trail
> > > > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because
> his
> > > > > > brakes
> > > > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He
> pulled
> > > the
> > > > > > fuse
> > > > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning
> at
> > > trail
> > > > > > speeds the
> > > > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-06-2003, 05:38 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
they are pretty good in the snow aren't they. Only problem is that if
doesn't take much to snowplow the front driving wheels off the ground !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F0865A9.7C1FD94C@sympatico.ca...
: ?
: If you mean front wheel drive, oh ya I remember for sure. It was
: totally insane going from a full sized station wagon to an Austin Mini.
: Damn, did I ever have fun with that thing in snow and ice.
doesn't take much to snowplow the front driving wheels off the ground !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F0865A9.7C1FD94C@sympatico.ca...
: ?
: If you mean front wheel drive, oh ya I remember for sure. It was
: totally insane going from a full sized station wagon to an Austin Mini.
: Damn, did I ever have fun with that thing in snow and ice.
07-06-2003, 06:10 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Yup, any rear wheel drive all you have to do is let off the gas and
the front end comes back around. That same thing is what sends the front
wheel drive out of control.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Now imagine going down hill for the first time, after learning to drive in
> rear wheel vehicles!
>
> Earle
the front end comes back around. That same thing is what sends the front
wheel drive out of control.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Now imagine going down hill for the first time, after learning to drive in
> rear wheel vehicles!
>
> Earle
07-06-2003, 06:13 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
".. and now we're driving on the left, British style !"
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle the storyteller" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message news:bea54d$2slaf$1@ID-147790.news.dfncis.de...
: Now imagine going down hill for the first time, after learning to drive in
: rear wheel vehicles!
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave the Socialist" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:vF0Oa.3759$gu7.28148936@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > they are pretty good in the snow aren't they. Only problem is that if
: > doesn't take much to snowplow the front driving wheels off the ground !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F0865A9.7C1FD94C@sympatico.ca...
: > : ?
: > : If you mean front wheel drive, oh ya I remember for sure. It was
: > : totally insane going from a full sized station wagon to an Austin
Mini.
: > : Damn, did I ever have fun with that thing in snow and ice.
: >
: >
:
:
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle the storyteller" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message news:bea54d$2slaf$1@ID-147790.news.dfncis.de...
: Now imagine going down hill for the first time, after learning to drive in
: rear wheel vehicles!
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave the Socialist" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:vF0Oa.3759$gu7.28148936@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > they are pretty good in the snow aren't they. Only problem is that if
: > doesn't take much to snowplow the front driving wheels off the ground !
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:3F0865A9.7C1FD94C@sympatico.ca...
: > : ?
: > : If you mean front wheel drive, oh ya I remember for sure. It was
: > : totally insane going from a full sized station wagon to an Austin
Mini.
: > : Damn, did I ever have fun with that thing in snow and ice.
: >
: >
:
:
07-06-2003, 06:21 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
My Daughter's in Ireland now on vacation. The road from Shannon is
among the deadliest in the world.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> ".. and now we're driving on the left, British style !"
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
among the deadliest in the world.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> ".. and now we're driving on the left, British style !"
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
07-06-2003, 06:36 PM
#20
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
enforcing the speed limit from time to time has not dawned on them there ...
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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: My Daughter's in Ireland now on vacation. The road from Shannon is
: among the deadliest in the world.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > ".. and now we're driving on the left, British style !"
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F08A08B.8B567454@***.net...
: My Daughter's in Ireland now on vacation. The road from Shannon is
: among the deadliest in the world.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
: >
: > ".. and now we're driving on the left, British style !"
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
