Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
07-05-2003, 02:58 PM
#1
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Wranglers with Dana 44's are not available from the factory with ABS. If you
order the 30" tire wheel group, you will get the rear 44. If you order the 30"
tire/wheel group and ABS it will substitute the Dana 35 rear axle, if they are
still doing that...that's what happened with my 2000.
Since the Rubicons have Dana 44's ABS is not available on them.
The ABS only kicks in at low speeds, so if you are on the trail going fast
enough to activate the ABS, you're probably going too fast. And it can be
disabled by pulling tha ABS fuse anyhow.
No reason to wait for a 2004, IMHO. Dealers want to get the 2003's off the lots
so you might get a better deal.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
order the 30" tire wheel group, you will get the rear 44. If you order the 30"
tire/wheel group and ABS it will substitute the Dana 35 rear axle, if they are
still doing that...that's what happened with my 2000.
Since the Rubicons have Dana 44's ABS is not available on them.
The ABS only kicks in at low speeds, so if you are on the trail going fast
enough to activate the ABS, you're probably going too fast. And it can be
disabled by pulling tha ABS fuse anyhow.
No reason to wait for a 2004, IMHO. Dealers want to get the 2003's off the lots
so you might get a better deal.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
07-05-2003, 03:49 PM
#2
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
ABS won't activate.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
ABS won't activate.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
07-05-2003, 04:44 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them, then
it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV trail
on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his brakes
would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the fuse
and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>
> >The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
>
> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
> ABS won't activate.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them, then
it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV trail
on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his brakes
would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the fuse
and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>
> >The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
>
> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
> ABS won't activate.
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
07-05-2003, 06:22 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
Steve Moline wrote:
> Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get informative,
> useful information here.
>
> I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40 miles
> each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety reasons.
> The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy and/or
> snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally, and
> would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when off-roading.
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike Romain"
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
>>
>> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them, then
>> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV trail
>> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
>>
>> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his brakes
>> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the fuse
>> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
>>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>>>
>>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
>>>
>>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
>>> ABS won't activate.
>>> * * *
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> www.townpeddler.com
>>> www.wolverine4wd.org
>>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
Steve Moline wrote:
> Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get informative,
> useful information here.
>
> I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40 miles
> each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety reasons.
> The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy and/or
> snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally, and
> would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when off-roading.
>
> Best regards to all,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike Romain"
> <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
>>
>> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them, then
>> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV trail
>> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
>>
>> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his brakes
>> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the fuse
>> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
>>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
>>>
>>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
>>>
>>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
>>> ABS won't activate.
>>> * * *
>>> Matt Macchiarolo
>>> www.townpeddler.com
>>> www.wolverine4wd.org
>>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
07-05-2003, 07:12 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
relay that opens the fuse power.
That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
>
> Steve Moline wrote:
>
> > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get informative,
> > useful information here.
> >
> > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40 miles
> > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety reasons.
> > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy and/or
> > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally, and
> > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when off-roading.
> >
> > Best regards to all,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike Romain"
> > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> >>
> >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them, then
> >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV trail
> >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> >>
> >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his brakes
> >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the fuse
> >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> >>>
> >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> >>>
> >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
> >>> ABS won't activate.
> >>> * * *
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> www.townpeddler.com
> >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
relay that opens the fuse power.
That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
>
> Steve Moline wrote:
>
> > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get informative,
> > useful information here.
> >
> > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40 miles
> > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety reasons.
> > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy and/or
> > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally, and
> > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when off-roading.
> >
> > Best regards to all,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike Romain"
> > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> >>
> >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them, then
> >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV trail
> >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> >>
> >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his brakes
> >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the fuse
> >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> >>>
> >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> >>>
> >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail speeds the
> >>> ABS won't activate.
> >>> * * *
> >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> >>> www.townpeddler.com
> >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> >
07-05-2003, 07:27 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off at
speeds slower than 5mph.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
> relay that opens the fuse power.
>
> That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
>
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> >
> > Steve Moline wrote:
> >
> > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
informative,
> > > useful information here.
> > >
> > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40
miles
> > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety
reasons.
> > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy
and/or
> > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally,
and
> > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
off-roading.
> > >
> > > Best regards to all,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike
Romain"
> > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > >>
> > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them,
then
> > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV
trail
> > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > >>
> > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
brakes
> > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the
fuse
> > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >>
> > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > >>>
> > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail
speeds the
> > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > >>> * * *
> > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > >
speeds slower than 5mph.
Jerry
--
Jerry Bransford
KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
> relay that opens the fuse power.
>
> That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
>
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
>
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> >
> > Steve Moline wrote:
> >
> > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
informative,
> > > useful information here.
> > >
> > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40
miles
> > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety
reasons.
> > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy
and/or
> > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally,
and
> > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
off-roading.
> > >
> > > Best regards to all,
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike
Romain"
> > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > >>
> > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them,
then
> > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV
trail
> > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > >>
> > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
brakes
> > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the
fuse
> > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >>
> > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > >>>
> > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > >>>
> > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail
speeds the
> > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > >>> * * *
> > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > >
07-06-2003, 12:02 AM
#7
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
situations.
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off at
> speeds slower than 5mph.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
> > relay that opens the fuse power.
> >
> > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > >
> > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> informative,
> > > > useful information here.
> > > >
> > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40
> miles
> > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety
> reasons.
> > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy
> and/or
> > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally,
> and
> > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> off-roading.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards to all,
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike
> Romain"
> > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > >>
> > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them,
> then
> > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV
> trail
> > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> brakes
> > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the
> fuse
> > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >>
> > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail
> speeds the
> > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > >>> * * *
> > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
situations.
On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
wrote:
> At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off at
> speeds slower than 5mph.
>
> Jerry
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
> > relay that opens the fuse power.
> >
> > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> >
> > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > >
> > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > >
> > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> informative,
> > > > useful information here.
> > > >
> > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40
> miles
> > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety
> reasons.
> > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy
> and/or
> > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally,
> and
> > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> off-roading.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards to all,
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike
> Romain"
> > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > >>
> > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them,
> then
> > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV
> trail
> > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> brakes
> > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the
> fuse
> > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mike
> > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >>
> > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail
> speeds the
> > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > >>> * * *
> > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-06-2003, 11:24 AM
#8
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and need
the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
decides to stop you.
We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
crawling Jerry does.
Mike
Will Honea wrote:
>
> That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
> where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> situations.
>
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off at
> > speeds slower than 5mph.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
> > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > >
> > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> > >
> > > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> > informative,
> > > > > useful information here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40
> > miles
> > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety
> > reasons.
> > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy
> > and/or
> > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally,
> > and
> > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> > off-roading.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike
> > Romain"
> > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them,
> > then
> > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV
> > trail
> > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> > brakes
> > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the
> > fuse
> > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail
> > speeds the
> > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > >>> * * *
> > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
decides to stop you.
We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
crawling Jerry does.
Mike
Will Honea wrote:
>
> That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
> where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> situations.
>
> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> wrote:
>
> > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off at
> > speeds slower than 5mph.
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
> > Jerry Bransford
> > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for a
> > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > >
> > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> > >
> > > http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't always
> > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy highways
> > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline with
> > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one standard,
> > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > >
> > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> > informative,
> > > > > useful information here.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday (40
> > miles
> > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for safety
> > reasons.
> > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one rainy
> > and/or
> > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler occasionally,
> > and
> > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is an
> > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> > off-roading.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca, "Mike
> > Romain"
> > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest them,
> > then
> > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed ATV
> > trail
> > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> > brakes
> > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled the
> > fuse
> > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mike
> > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at trail
> > speeds the
> > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > >>> * * *
> > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-06-2003, 12:10 PM
#9
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no stinking
ABS brakes...
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and need
> the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> decides to stop you.
>
> We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> crawling Jerry does.
>
> Mike
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
> > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > situations.
> >
> > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off
at
> > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for
a
> > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > >
> > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
always
> > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
highways
> > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline
with
> > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
standard,
> > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> > > informative,
> > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday
(40
> > > miles
> > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
safety
> > > reasons.
> > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one
rainy
> > > and/or
> > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
occasionally,
> > > and
> > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is
an
> > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> > > off-roading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
"Mike
> > > Romain"
> > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest
them,
> > > then
> > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed
ATV
> > > trail
> > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> > > brakes
> > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled
the
> > > fuse
> > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at
trail
> > > speeds the
> > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
ABS brakes...
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and need
> the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> decides to stop you.
>
> We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> crawling Jerry does.
>
> Mike
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
> > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > situations.
> >
> > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off
at
> > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > > --
> > > Jerry Bransford
> > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > >
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for
a
> > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > >
> > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> > > >
> > > >
http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > >
> > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
> > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
always
> > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
highways
> > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline
with
> > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
standard,
> > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> > > informative,
> > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday
(40
> > > miles
> > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
safety
> > > reasons.
> > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one
rainy
> > > and/or
> > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
occasionally,
> > > and
> > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is
an
> > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> > > off-roading.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
"Mike
> > > Romain"
> > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest
them,
> > > then
> > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed
ATV
> > > trail
> > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> > > brakes
> > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled
the
> > > fuse
> > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at
trail
> > > speeds the
> > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
07-06-2003, 12:28 PM
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Re: Wrangler & antilock brakes
LOL!
Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
right on through the intersection.
I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no stinking
> ABS brakes...
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and need
> > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > decides to stop you.
> >
> > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > crawling Jerry does.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
> > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > situations.
> > >
> > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off
> at
> > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for
> a
> > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
>
> > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> always
> > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> highways
> > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline
> with
> > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> standard,
> > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> > > > informative,
> > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday
> (40
> > > > miles
> > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> safety
> > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one
> rainy
> > > > and/or
> > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> occasionally,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is
> an
> > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> "Mike
> > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest
> them,
> > > > then
> > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed
> ATV
> > > > trail
> > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> > > > brakes
> > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled
> the
> > > > fuse
> > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at
> trail
> > > > speeds the
> > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
Tell me about it, I grew up a bit north east of there. Same ice storms.
When they first came out with rear ABS or that combination valve thing
so the rear brakes couldn't lock up, I learned 'real' fast that an
automatic had to be put in neutral or there was absolutely no way to
stop in time for any yellow light that comes on before the red...
By the time you see the yellow, it's too late if you leave it in gear,
the back tires just keep on going and going and going.... and push you
right on through the intersection.
I learned to have an active dislike of 'anti lock' brakes....
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I learned to drive during a New England winter. I don't need no stinking
> ABS brakes...
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F083F3E.4567F38B@sympatico.ca...
> > The big problem I see is where you are going 'more' than 5 mph and need
> > the brakes. Then ABS kicks in until you 'eventually' stop or the tree
> > decides to stop you.
> >
> > We have to run hard at some spots on our trails, nothing like the rock
> > crawling Jerry does.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Will Honea wrote:
> > >
> > > That's what I was thinking, Jerry. I messed around with the wife's
> > > Saturn and it will positively lock the brakes at very slow speeds as
> > > well on a sand covered parking lot. Doesn't make sense otherwise -
> > > you could never come to a full stop. That would be the type surfaces
> > > where I didn't want it anyway, but part of my predjufice comes from
> > > driving jets where you steer with differential braking in a lot of
> > > situations.
> > >
> > > On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:27:05 UTC "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > At least on the Wrangler TJ, the ABS automatically shuts itself off
> at
> > > > speeds slower than 5mph.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry
> > > > --
> > > > Jerry Bransford
> > > > KC6TAY, PP-ASEL
> > > > The Zen Hotdog, make me one with everything!
> > > > See the Geezer Jeep at
> > > > http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
> > > >
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:3F075B73.B223EC86@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > Someone else mentioned using the 4 low light as a trigger signal for
> a
> > > > > relay that opens the fuse power.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would not be hard to do, see the link for easy relay wiring:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> http://www.classictruckshop.com/club...osch/relay.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Lon Stowell wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have folks driving that don't regularly stomp on the brakes
>
> > > > > > hard, or folks who may know how to modulate brakes but don't
> always
> > > > > > fill up on caffeine before driving, ABS is great on crappy
> highways
> > > > > > and/or snotlike offroad surfaces. Putting a defeat switch inline
> with
> > > > > > the fuse sounds like a good answer...too bad there isn't one
> standard,
> > > > > > perhaps automatically set by 4wd low mode.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steve Moline wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lots more good info pouring in. Thanks everyone! I knew I'd get
> > > > informative,
> > > > > > > useful information here.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm still on the fence about ABS. I do a long commute everyday
> (40
> > > > miles
> > > > > > > each way, Northern VA), so would really like to have ABS for
> safety
> > > > reasons.
> > > > > > > The ABS in my Grand Cherokee has proven useful on more than one
> rainy
> > > > and/or
> > > > > > > snowy occasion. Plus, the wife will drive the Wrangler
> occasionally,
> > > > and
> > > > > > > would like her to be ABS-equipped also. Perhaps the best bet is
> an
> > > > > > > ABS-equipped Sport (or Sahara?), and just remove the fuse when
> > > > off-roading.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards to all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steve
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/5/03 4:44 PM, in article 3F0738B8.524EC2A0@sympatico.ca,
> "Mike
> > > > Romain"
> > > > > > > <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Now that 'really' depends on the trail there eh.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On our ravines, we need to be floored in 2nd or 3rd to crest
> them,
> > > > then
> > > > > > >> it is straight down with trees or cliffs or one skinny assed
> ATV
> > > > trail
> > > > > > >> on the other side. Gotta be able to lock the brakes.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I also have watched a TJ calmly roll on into a tree because his
> > > > brakes
> > > > > > >> would not lock on something like a 65 deg down hill. He pulled
> the
> > > > fuse
> > > > > > >> and made it the second time without hitting any trees.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Mike
> > > > > > >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> In article <20030705145807.09580.00001248@mb-m13.aol.com>,
> > > > > > >>> mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon (Matt Macchiarolo) writes:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> The ABS only kicks in at low speeds
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Oops. Should read "ABS kicks in at high speeds." Meaning at
> trail
> > > > speeds the
> > > > > > >>> ABS won't activate.
> > > > > > >>> * * *
> > > > > > >>> Matt Macchiarolo
> > > > > > >>> www.townpeddler.com
> > > > > > >>> www.wolverine4wd.org
> > > > > > >>> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
