Re: 04 Rubicon
03-11-2005, 08:24 PM
#41
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> ;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >
> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> > spare tire carrier to it.
> >
> > Mike
cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> ;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >
> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> > spare tire carrier to it.
> >
> > Mike
03-11-2005, 08:24 PM
#42
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> ;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >
> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> > spare tire carrier to it.
> >
> > Mike
cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> ;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >
> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> > spare tire carrier to it.
> >
> > Mike
03-11-2005, 08:24 PM
#43
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> ;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >
> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> > spare tire carrier to it.
> >
> > Mike
cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>
http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> ;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> > that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> > hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> > in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >
> > I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> > spare tire carrier to it.
> >
> > Mike
03-11-2005, 08:36 PM
#44
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
gauges steel.
Dave Milne wrote:
> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
>
>> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>>
>
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
>
>>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
>>>
>>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
>>>spare tire carrier to it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
gauges steel.
Dave Milne wrote:
> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
>
>> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>>
>
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
>
>>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
>>>
>>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
>>>spare tire carrier to it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-11-2005, 08:36 PM
#45
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
gauges steel.
Dave Milne wrote:
> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
>
>> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>>
>
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
>
>>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
>>>
>>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
>>>spare tire carrier to it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
gauges steel.
Dave Milne wrote:
> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
>
>> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>>
>
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
>
>>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
>>>
>>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
>>>spare tire carrier to it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-11-2005, 08:36 PM
#46
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
gauges steel.
Dave Milne wrote:
> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
>
>> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>>
>
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
>
>>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
>>>
>>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
>>>spare tire carrier to it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
gauges steel.
Dave Milne wrote:
> Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
>
>> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
>>
>
> http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
>
>>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
>>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
>>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
>>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
>>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
>>>
>>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
>>>spare tire carrier to it.
>>>
>>>Mike
>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-11-2005, 08:47 PM
#47
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the
double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
inside.
TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
> gauges steel.
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> >
> >> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
> >>
> >
> > http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> >
> >>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >>>
> >>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> >>>spare tire carrier to it.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
inside.
TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
> gauges steel.
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> >
> >> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
> >>
> >
> > http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> >
> >>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >>>
> >>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> >>>spare tire carrier to it.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-11-2005, 08:47 PM
#48
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Re: 04 Rubicon
Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the
double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
inside.
TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
> gauges steel.
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> >
> >> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
> >>
> >
> > http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> >
> >>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >>>
> >>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> >>>spare tire carrier to it.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
inside.
TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
> gauges steel.
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> >
> >> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
> >>
> >
> > http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> >
> >>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >>>
> >>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> >>>spare tire carrier to it.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-11-2005, 08:47 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 04 Rubicon
Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the
double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
inside.
TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
> gauges steel.
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> >
> >> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
> >>
> >
> > http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> >
> >>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >>>
> >>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> >>>spare tire carrier to it.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
inside.
TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Jerry Bransford wrote:
>
> Not only were the CJ's frames not very thick, they were also 'C' channel
> designs that weren't boxed. The TJ's boxed frame is a far stronger
> boxed channel design made from heavier-gauge steel. Of course Bill will
> invent some reason why a thinner-lighter gauge steel frame that isn't
> fully boxed is stronger than a boxed-channel design with a heavier
> gauges steel.
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Real Jeeps were made out of shitty post war steel, and have a reputation for
> > cracking their frames. LandRover at least recognised this and made them out
> > of thicker steel... Have you tried drilling a hole in a TJ's frame ? Better
> > dig out your cobalt ... it may not be so thick, but it's really hard.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:42323F3D.564BF002@***.net...
> >
> >> Real Jeeps triangulate their frame for strength:
> >>
> >
> > http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ationChart.gif
> >
> >>;-) Of course they were made to work, not just go to the mall:
> >>http://www.apple.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Pho...ersatility.JPG
> >> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> >>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >>
> >>Mike Romain wrote:
> >>
> >>>I have to replace mine due to a pull with my bumper hitch and a strap
> >>>that turned out to be a tow strap, not a ****** strap so it came up
> >>>hard. Yanked the freaking cross member loose and it was only a YJ stuck
> >>>in a snow bank! Got bailing wire holding it on right now......
> >>>
> >>>I am going structurally strong with the cross member then I can add my
> >>>spare tire carrier to it.
> >>>
> >>>Mike
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-11-2005, 11:02 PM
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: 04 Rubicon
Hi Mike,
And all commercial trucks like Real Jeeps still use the channel
frame for their strength and flexibility, and durability to surpass a
million miles are important:
http://www.truckertotrucker.com/listings/3073.htm click on end view to
confirm.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the
> double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
>
> The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
> all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
> drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
> inside.
>
> TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
> still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
And all commercial trucks like Real Jeeps still use the channel
frame for their strength and flexibility, and durability to surpass a
million miles are important:
http://www.truckertotrucker.com/listings/3073.htm click on end view to
confirm.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Well I am not Bill, but when they changed from the C channel to the
> double C or boxed frame on the CJ they screwed up big time.
>
> The design is meant to flex like an open C can, when the boxed it they
> all crack in front of the rear passenger spring and in back of the front
> drivers spring. They also rot out bad from dirt and mud that collects
> inside.
>
> TJ's aren't old enough to be able to tell what time will..... YJ's
> still rot out from collected crap bad like the CJ's...
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's