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On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>> *** burned?
>>
>>
>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>
>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>
>>
> Point taken!
Him too!!!
But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>
>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>
>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>
>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
--
Cooyon Billie might actually be good with computers. After all, long
before they were available to the public, he was already quite adept
at Booting the Colonel......
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>> *** burned?
>>
>>
>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>
>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>
>>
> Point taken!
Him too!!!
But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>
>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>
>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>
>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
--
Cooyon Billie might actually be good with computers. After all, long
before they were available to the public, he was already quite adept
at Booting the Colonel......
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>> *** burned?
>>
>>
>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>
>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>
>>
> Point taken!
Him too!!!
But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>
>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>
>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>
>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
--
Cooyon Billie might actually be good with computers. After all, long
before they were available to the public, he was already quite adept
at Booting the Colonel......
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>> *** burned?
>>
>>
>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>
>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>
>>
> Point taken!
Him too!!!
But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>
>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>
>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>
>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
--
Cooyon Billie might actually be good with computers. After all, long
before they were available to the public, he was already quite adept
at Booting the Colonel......
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>> *** burned?
>>
>>
>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>
>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>
>>
> Point taken!
Him too!!!
But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>
>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>
>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>
>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
--
Cooyon Billie might actually be good with computers. After all, long
before they were available to the public, he was already quite adept
at Booting the Colonel......
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>
>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>> *** burned?
>>
>>
>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>
>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>
>>
> Point taken!
Him too!!!
But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>
>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>
>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>above.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>
>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>
>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>
>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>
>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>
>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
--
Cooyon Billie might actually be good with computers. After all, long
before they were available to the public, he was already quite adept
at Booting the Colonel......
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:55:02 GMT, Pink Freud©®
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>>> *** burned?
>>>
>>>
>>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>>
>>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>>
>>>
>> Point taken!
>
>Him too!!!
>
>But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
>
>Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
>today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>
>
Not to worry, he'll be back as if he where in the Special Forces
carrying his new SpamBot weapon thinking he will be Victorious!
What a waist of coding!!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>>above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>>> *** burned?
>>>
>>>
>>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>>
>>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>>
>>>
>> Point taken!
>
>Him too!!!
>
>But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
>
>Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
>today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>
>
Not to worry, he'll be back as if he where in the Special Forces
carrying his new SpamBot weapon thinking he will be Victorious!
What a waist of coding!!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>>above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:55:02 GMT, Pink Freud©®
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>>> *** burned?
>>>
>>>
>>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>>
>>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>>
>>>
>> Point taken!
>
>Him too!!!
>
>But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
>
>Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
>today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>
>
Not to worry, he'll be back as if he where in the Special Forces
carrying his new SpamBot weapon thinking he will be Victorious!
What a waist of coding!!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>>above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>>> *** burned?
>>>
>>>
>>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>>
>>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>>
>>>
>> Point taken!
>
>Him too!!!
>
>But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
>
>Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
>today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>
>
Not to worry, he'll be back as if he where in the Special Forces
carrying his new SpamBot weapon thinking he will be Victorious!
What a waist of coding!!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>>above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:55:02 GMT, Pink Freud©®
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>>> *** burned?
>>>
>>>
>>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>>
>>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>>
>>>
>> Point taken!
>
>Him too!!!
>
>But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
>
>Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
>today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>
>
Not to worry, he'll be back as if he where in the Special Forces
carrying his new SpamBot weapon thinking he will be Victorious!
What a waist of coding!!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>>above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
<drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:47:49 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:58:33 GMT, Pink Freud©®
>> <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:06:57 +0000, Terry Dactille©~® wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:11:01 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
>>>> <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Flame Warriors: http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/
>>>>> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>>>
>>>> If you consider yourselfa Flame Warrior, why do you keep getting your
>>>> *** burned?
>>>
>>>
>>>Because he backs up into everything? Besides, he L I K E S it.
>>>
>>>Or so sayeth Da Big Cat.....
>>>
>>>
>> Point taken!
>
>Him too!!!
>
>But not at all in the same way as you do, in comprehension....!
>
>Hmmmmm. Cooyon's late. Guess he having an especially L A R G E lunch
>today while he figures out his new SpamBot.
>
>
Not to worry, he'll be back as if he where in the Special Forces
carrying his new SpamBot weapon thinking he will be Victorious!
What a waist of coding!!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S5yVi.19863$ya1.14271@news02.roc.ny...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Field Guide to Forum Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
>>>>>> reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THE MAJOR BREEDS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Vulgar Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
>>>>>> Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
>>>>>> Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
>>>>>> off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
>>>>>> Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
>>>>>> you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
>>>>>> to this form when cornered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
>>>>>> Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
>>>>>> she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
>>>>>> sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
>>>>>> lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
>>>>>> "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
>>>>>> of tricks to which they turn:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
>>>>>> was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
>>>>>> claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
>>>>>> to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
>>>>>> (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
>>>>>> parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
>>>>>> that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
>>>>>> account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
>>>>>> claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
>>>>>> disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
>>>>>> ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
>>>>>> finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
>>>>>> Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
>>>>>> forumites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
>>>>>> forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
>>>>>> can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
>>>>>> most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
>>>>>> be able to resist posting again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
>>>>>> exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
>>>>>> they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contrarian Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
>>>>>> predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
>>>>>> those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
>>>>>> invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
>>>>>> the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
>>>>>> dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
>>>>>> categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
>>>>>> due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
>>>>>> poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
>>>>>> not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
>>>>>> Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
>>>>>> post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
>>>>>> whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
>>>>>> of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
>>>>>> the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
>>>>>> [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
>>>>>> anyone who disagrees with you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
>>>>>> a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
>>>>>> it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
>>>>>> posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
>>>>>> significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
>>>>>> ready answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
>>>>>> confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
>>>>>> the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
>>>>>> Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
>>>>>> he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
>>>>>> his notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
>>>>>> Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
>>>>>> refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
>>>>>> as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
>>>>>> Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
>>>>>> into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
>>>>>> the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned
>>>>>above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Agenda Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
>>>>>> pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
>>>>>> member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
>>>>>> forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
>>>>>> Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
>>>>>> the spat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
>>>>>> thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
>>>>>> been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
>>>>>> visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
>>>>>> his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
>>>>>> are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
>>>>>> their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
>>>>>> plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
>>>>>> Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
>>>>>> educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
>>>>>> of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
>>>>>> participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
>>>>>> intolerant species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
>>>>>> when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
>>>>>> views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
>>>>>> dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
>>>>>> condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
>>>>>> whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
>>>>>> old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
>>>>>> philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
>>>>>> ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
>>>>>> committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
>>>>>> engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
>>>>>> hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Artistic Troll
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
>>>>>> individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
>>>>>> they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
>>>>>> the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
>>>>>> along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
>>>>>> point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
>>>>>> everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
>>>>>> in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
>>>>>> manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
>>>>>> approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
>>>>>> chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
>>>>>> dangerous species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TROLL SPOTTING
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
>>>>>> forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
>>>>>> any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
>>>>>> causing trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
>>>>>> their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
>>>>>> complain to the Moderator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
>>>>>> identical to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
>>>>>> those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
>>>>>> example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
>>>>>> usernames for a single account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
>>>>>> diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
>>>>>> one that they can control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
>>>>>> trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
>>>>>> created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
>>>>>> display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NATURAL PREDATORS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
>>>>>> can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
>>>>>> troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
>>>>>> Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
>>>>>> trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
>>>>>> to all breeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
>>>>>> possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
>>>>>> tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
>>>>>> see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
>>>>>> the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
>>>>>> Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
>>>>>> difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
>>>>>> against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
>>>>>> when a troll rears its ugly head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
>>>>>> Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
>>>>>> they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
>>>>>> equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
>>>>>> be underestimated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
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Re: POLL: Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:12:18 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
There goes two cell again!
>
>
>"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>news:BnBVi.14160$xP1.9791@newsfe11.phx...
>>
>> It's OK, it doesn't bother me that much. I pretty much expect Bill to
>> act like a coward, and he does every day. Actually, he's beginning to
>> bore me.
>
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
There goes two cell again!
>
>
>"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>news:BnBVi.14160$xP1.9791@newsfe11.phx...
>>
>> It's OK, it doesn't bother me that much. I pretty much expect Bill to
>> act like a coward, and he does every day. Actually, he's beginning to
>> bore me.
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: POLL: Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:12:18 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
There goes two cell again!
>
>
>"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>news:BnBVi.14160$xP1.9791@newsfe11.phx...
>>
>> It's OK, it doesn't bother me that much. I pretty much expect Bill to
>> act like a coward, and he does every day. Actually, he's beginning to
>> bore me.
>
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
There goes two cell again!
>
>
>"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>news:BnBVi.14160$xP1.9791@newsfe11.phx...
>>
>> It's OK, it doesn't bother me that much. I pretty much expect Bill to
>> act like a coward, and he does every day. Actually, he's beginning to
>> bore me.
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: POLL: Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:12:18 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
There goes two cell again!
>
>
>"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>news:BnBVi.14160$xP1.9791@newsfe11.phx...
>>
>> It's OK, it doesn't bother me that much. I pretty much expect Bill to
>> act like a coward, and he does every day. Actually, he's beginning to
>> bore me.
>
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
There goes two cell again!
>
>
>"Cassandra Incognito" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message
>news:BnBVi.14160$xP1.9791@newsfe11.phx...
>>
>> It's OK, it doesn't bother me that much. I pretty much expect Bill to
>> act like a coward, and he does every day. Actually, he's beginning to
>> bore me.
>
Guest
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:12:21 -0800, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III"
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
It still stands lump of lardness, you're still a Moron.
>
>
>"Doc.---------" <DN@CentralPain.org> wrote in message
>news:24sei3h7r8612uhk2kq8qlc29ct1a64h1o@4ax.com.. .
>>
You think not, and you post your "individualized truths" to everyone
because you're to STUPID to read the headers!
>>
>
<LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> More jealous foul mouth girlie maricón acosador gibberish/babbling.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
It still stands lump of lardness, you're still a Moron.
>
>
>"Doc.---------" <DN@CentralPain.org> wrote in message
>news:24sei3h7r8612uhk2kq8qlc29ct1a64h1o@4ax.com.. .
>>
You think not, and you post your "individualized truths" to everyone
because you're to STUPID to read the headers!
>>
>
