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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
"Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>
> BTW, yes it is.
>
> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>
It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
"advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
family, and name..." You know, those guys.
What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
"war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
Cheers,
Earle
--
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news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>
> BTW, yes it is.
>
> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>
It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
"advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
family, and name..." You know, those guys.
What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
"war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
Cheers,
Earle
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Posts: n/a
Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> btw, it's NOT spam either.
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
Field Guide to Forum Trolls
A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll
These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
"outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
of tricks to which they turn:
-Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
-Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
(TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
-Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
-Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
forumites.
-Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
be able to resist posting again.
-Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
The Contrarian Troll
A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
[descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
anyone who disagrees with you."
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
ready answers.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
his notice.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The Agenda Troll
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
the spat.
-Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
-Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
Sophist Trolls
Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
intolerant species.
-When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
-When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
-When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
The Artistic Troll
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
dangerous species.
TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
causing trouble.
2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
complain to the Moderator.
3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
identical to that of the TiQ.
4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
usernames for a single account.
5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
one that they can control.
6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
NATURAL PREDATORS
Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
to all breeds.
Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
when a troll rears its ugly head.
Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
be underestimated.
--
FRH
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> btw, it's NOT spam either.
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
Field Guide to Forum Trolls
A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll
These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
"outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
of tricks to which they turn:
-Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
-Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
(TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
-Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
-Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
forumites.
-Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
be able to resist posting again.
-Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
The Contrarian Troll
A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
[descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
anyone who disagrees with you."
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
ready answers.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
his notice.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The Agenda Troll
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
the spat.
-Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
-Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
Sophist Trolls
Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
intolerant species.
-When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
-When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
-When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
The Artistic Troll
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
dangerous species.
TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
causing trouble.
2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
complain to the Moderator.
3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
identical to that of the TiQ.
4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
usernames for a single account.
5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
one that they can control.
6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
NATURAL PREDATORS
Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
to all breeds.
Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
when a troll rears its ugly head.
Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
be underestimated.
--
FRH
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> btw, it's NOT spam either.
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
Field Guide to Forum Trolls
A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll
These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
"outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
of tricks to which they turn:
-Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
-Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
(TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
-Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
-Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
forumites.
-Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
be able to resist posting again.
-Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
The Contrarian Troll
A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
[descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
anyone who disagrees with you."
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
ready answers.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
his notice.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The Agenda Troll
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
the spat.
-Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
-Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
Sophist Trolls
Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
intolerant species.
-When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
-When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
-When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
The Artistic Troll
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
dangerous species.
TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
causing trouble.
2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
complain to the Moderator.
3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
identical to that of the TiQ.
4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
usernames for a single account.
5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
one that they can control.
6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
NATURAL PREDATORS
Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
to all breeds.
Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
when a troll rears its ugly head.
Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
be underestimated.
--
FRH
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> btw, it's NOT spam either.
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
Field Guide to Forum Trolls
A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll
These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
"outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
of tricks to which they turn:
-Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
-Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
(TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
-Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
-Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
forumites.
-Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
be able to resist posting again.
-Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
The Contrarian Troll
A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
[descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
anyone who disagrees with you."
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
ready answers.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
his notice.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The Agenda Troll
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
the spat.
-Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
-Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
Sophist Trolls
Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
intolerant species.
-When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
-When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
-When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
The Artistic Troll
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
dangerous species.
TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
causing trouble.
2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
complain to the Moderator.
3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
identical to that of the TiQ.
4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
usernames for a single account.
5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
one that they can control.
6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
NATURAL PREDATORS
Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
to all breeds.
Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
when a troll rears its ugly head.
Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
be underestimated.
--
FRH
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> btw, it's NOT spam either.
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
Field Guide to Forum Trolls
A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll
These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
"outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
of tricks to which they turn:
-Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
-Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
(TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
-Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
-Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
forumites.
-Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
be able to resist posting again.
-Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
The Contrarian Troll
A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
[descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
anyone who disagrees with you."
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
ready answers.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
his notice.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The Agenda Troll
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
the spat.
-Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
-Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
Sophist Trolls
Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
intolerant species.
-When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
-When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
-When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
The Artistic Troll
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
dangerous species.
TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
causing trouble.
2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
complain to the Moderator.
3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
identical to that of the TiQ.
4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
usernames for a single account.
5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
one that they can control.
6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
NATURAL PREDATORS
Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
to all breeds.
Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
when a troll rears its ugly head.
Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
be underestimated.
--
FRH
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>> btw, it's NOT spam either.
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
>
>
>
>
Field Guide to Forum Trolls
A Troll is a bulletin-board participant who posts for one or both of two
reasons: 1) to disrupt; 2) to gain attention.
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll
These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species.
Often, they make racist comments, or they may post ---- and other Spam.
Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane,
off-topic observations. When you log into the 'Really Profound Serious
Philosophical Discussions' board and see the post, "I smell my farts,"
you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert
to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll
More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic
Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or
she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves,
sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of
lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often
"outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag
of tricks to which they turn:
-Classic Troll Tactic #1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it
was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by
claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
-Classic Troll Tactic #2: Create another account, and log on pretending
to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question
(TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third
parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
-Classic Troll Tactic #3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim
that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your
account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in
claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be
disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives
("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
-Classic Troll Tactic #4: When nothing else works, claim that now,
finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before.
Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the
forumites.
-Classic Troll Tactic #5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving
forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you
can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will
most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not
be able to resist posting again.
-Classic Troll Tactic #6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are
exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often
they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
The Contrarian Troll
A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose
predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by
those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will
invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in
the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between
dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not
categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but
due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #1: The most important indicator of a
poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and
not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry.
Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their
post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with
whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course
of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #2: Constant references to
the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just
[descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule
anyone who disagrees with you."
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #3: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only
a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display
it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull
posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings
significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no
ready answers.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #4: Accusing the accusers. When
confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is
the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the
Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while
he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath
his notice.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #5: Attempts to condescend. Pursued by
Troll Bashers (see Natural Predators below), the Contrarian will seek
refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics
as beneath notice, all the while continuing to respond to them.
-Contrarian Troll Warning Sign #6: One distinctive mark of Contrarian
Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves
into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate
the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The Agenda Troll
Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to
pursue an agenda of their own, often a feud or grudge with another
member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that
forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda
Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue
the spat.
-Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who
thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has
been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will
visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to ------
his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
-Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these
are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of
their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless
plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
Sophist Trolls
Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened
Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well
educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number
of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum
participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and
intolerant species.
-When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree, particularly
when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary
views, Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually
dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide,
condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with
whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that
old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
-When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks, A
philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent
ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words,
committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of
engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
-When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most
hypocritical and aggravating of Trollkind.
The Artistic Troll
A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent
individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what
they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing
the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites
along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which
point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at
everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight
in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware
manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the
approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably
chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most
dangerous species.
TROLL SPOTTING
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls often do not last long enough on a
forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of
any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be
causing trouble.
2. High post count. Other Trolls flood a forum with so many posts of
their own, especially when they are able to turn the subject onto
one that they like, that long-time regular members begin to leave or
complain to the Moderator.
3. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses
identical to that of the TiQ.
4. Suspicious email Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to
those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for
example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows up to five
usernames for a single account.
5. Suspicious Reptition. Trolls often repeat key phrases or entire
diatribes of their pet propaganda, attempting to turn the subject onto
one that they can control.
6. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have
trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts
created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will
display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
NATURAL PREDATORS
Trolls have certain naturally-occurring enemies. Among them are these:
Moderators. An active moderator is the bane of Trollkind, as a moderator
can lock a troll's efforts before they come to fruition, see to it the
troll is banned, and generally make the troll's existence unfulfilling.
Moderators are normally above more direct efforts to humiliate or expose
trolls, which makes them ultimately more dangerous but less intimidating
to all breeds.
Troll Bashers. The worst enemy of trolls, Troll Bashers appear to
possess an almost pathological hatred for trolls. Fully aware of the
tools and tactics of trolling, Troll Bashers expose trolls whenever they
see them. Often the first to identify Contrarians, and unforgiving in
the pursuit of Deceptives, Troll Bashers are experienced and venomous.
Often accused of being trolls themselves, Troll Bashers understand the
difference between the initiation of trolling and the retaliation
against it, and believe any amount of retaliatory abuse is justified
when a troll rears its ugly head.
Angry Forumites. Though normally slow to anger, and lacking the venom of
Troll Bashers, angry forumites can pose a danger to Trollkind when
they gather in groups. While it takes three to five Angry Forumites to
equal the danger represented by a single Troll Basher, they are not to
be underestimated.
--
FRH
Guest
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
"L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> YOU ARE WRONG BIG TIME AS USUAL. Cut and paste do not constitute spam
>under any charter's criteria, besides these are individualized truths for
>you two a**holes SWimp and 24wimp.
O, RLY????
http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
(begin included text)
Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
* Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will
usually be considered spam, regardless of the content.
[...]
Giganews does not tolerate spam in any form. We run filters on our
incoming and outgoing feeds to cut down on spam traffic in either
direction. Giganews is very strict about spamming. You agree to not
spam, and you agree to avoid any form of posting that may look like
spam. If it is determined that you have posted spam through the
Giganews servers, you will be charged a $50 cleanup fee per spam
message that you posted, and your account will be terminated.
(end included text)
$50 cleanup fee per spam message. RUH-ROH, RORGE!!!!!!
> YOU ARE WRONG BIG TIME AS USUAL. Cut and paste do not constitute spam
>under any charter's criteria, besides these are individualized truths for
>you two a**holes SWimp and 24wimp.
O, RLY????
http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
(begin included text)
Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
* Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will
usually be considered spam, regardless of the content.
[...]
Giganews does not tolerate spam in any form. We run filters on our
incoming and outgoing feeds to cut down on spam traffic in either
direction. Giganews is very strict about spamming. You agree to not
spam, and you agree to avoid any form of posting that may look like
spam. If it is determined that you have posted spam through the
Giganews servers, you will be charged a $50 cleanup fee per spam
message that you posted, and your account will be terminated.
(end included text)
$50 cleanup fee per spam message. RUH-ROH, RORGE!!!!!!
Guest
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
"L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> YOU ARE WRONG BIG TIME AS USUAL. Cut and paste do not constitute spam
>under any charter's criteria, besides these are individualized truths for
>you two a**holes SWimp and 24wimp.
O, RLY????
http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
(begin included text)
Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
* Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will
usually be considered spam, regardless of the content.
[...]
Giganews does not tolerate spam in any form. We run filters on our
incoming and outgoing feeds to cut down on spam traffic in either
direction. Giganews is very strict about spamming. You agree to not
spam, and you agree to avoid any form of posting that may look like
spam. If it is determined that you have posted spam through the
Giganews servers, you will be charged a $50 cleanup fee per spam
message that you posted, and your account will be terminated.
(end included text)
$50 cleanup fee per spam message. RUH-ROH, RORGE!!!!!!
> YOU ARE WRONG BIG TIME AS USUAL. Cut and paste do not constitute spam
>under any charter's criteria, besides these are individualized truths for
>you two a**holes SWimp and 24wimp.
O, RLY????
http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
(begin included text)
Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
* Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will
usually be considered spam, regardless of the content.
[...]
Giganews does not tolerate spam in any form. We run filters on our
incoming and outgoing feeds to cut down on spam traffic in either
direction. Giganews is very strict about spamming. You agree to not
spam, and you agree to avoid any form of posting that may look like
spam. If it is determined that you have posted spam through the
Giganews servers, you will be charged a $50 cleanup fee per spam
message that you posted, and your account will be terminated.
(end included text)
$50 cleanup fee per spam message. RUH-ROH, RORGE!!!!!!
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
"L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <LWBill------@------.net> wrote:
> YOU ARE WRONG BIG TIME AS USUAL. Cut and paste do not constitute spam
>under any charter's criteria, besides these are individualized truths for
>you two a**holes SWimp and 24wimp.
O, RLY????
http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
(begin included text)
Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
* Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will
usually be considered spam, regardless of the content.
[...]
Giganews does not tolerate spam in any form. We run filters on our
incoming and outgoing feeds to cut down on spam traffic in either
direction. Giganews is very strict about spamming. You agree to not
spam, and you agree to avoid any form of posting that may look like
spam. If it is determined that you have posted spam through the
Giganews servers, you will be charged a $50 cleanup fee per spam
message that you posted, and your account will be terminated.
(end included text)
$50 cleanup fee per spam message. RUH-ROH, RORGE!!!!!!
> YOU ARE WRONG BIG TIME AS USUAL. Cut and paste do not constitute spam
>under any charter's criteria, besides these are individualized truths for
>you two a**holes SWimp and 24wimp.
O, RLY????
http://www.giganews.com/legal/aup.html
(begin included text)
Spam
Although there is no single, precise definition of spam, and there are
differing opinions on what constitutes spam, we will consider the
following when reviewing complaints:
* Repetitive Posting
Posting the same thing repeatedly in one or more newsgroups will
usually be considered spam, regardless of the content.
[...]
Giganews does not tolerate spam in any form. We run filters on our
incoming and outgoing feeds to cut down on spam traffic in either
direction. Giganews is very strict about spamming. You agree to not
spam, and you agree to avoid any form of posting that may look like
spam. If it is determined that you have posted spam through the
Giganews servers, you will be charged a $50 cleanup fee per spam
message that you posted, and your account will be terminated.
(end included text)
$50 cleanup fee per spam message. RUH-ROH, RORGE!!!!!!
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:57:56 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>>
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
Wiki is far, far from the ultimate arbiter, which you should know, but
obviously don't.
And whatever Billie's psychiatric diagnoses might be, it appears
that elements of it/them are transmittable, particularly the
assumptiveness without personal knowledge of those of whom you are so
derisive.
"So Happy Together......"
.._. .... . . ._. ...
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>>
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
Wiki is far, far from the ultimate arbiter, which you should know, but
obviously don't.
And whatever Billie's psychiatric diagnoses might be, it appears
that elements of it/them are transmittable, particularly the
assumptiveness without personal knowledge of those of whom you are so
derisive.
"So Happy Together......"
.._. .... . . ._. ...
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:57:56 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>>
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
Wiki is far, far from the ultimate arbiter, which you should know, but
obviously don't.
And whatever Billie's psychiatric diagnoses might be, it appears
that elements of it/them are transmittable, particularly the
assumptiveness without personal knowledge of those of whom you are so
derisive.
"So Happy Together......"
.._. .... . . ._. ...
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>>
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
Wiki is far, far from the ultimate arbiter, which you should know, but
obviously don't.
And whatever Billie's psychiatric diagnoses might be, it appears
that elements of it/them are transmittable, particularly the
assumptiveness without personal knowledge of those of whom you are so
derisive.
"So Happy Together......"
.._. .... . . ._. ...
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
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Re: Bill ------ = Private Pyle From Full Metal Jacket?
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:57:56 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>>
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
Wiki is far, far from the ultimate arbiter, which you should know, but
obviously don't.
And whatever Billie's psychiatric diagnoses might be, it appears
that elements of it/them are transmittable, particularly the
assumptiveness without personal knowledge of those of whom you are so
derisive.
"So Happy Together......"
.._. .... . . ._. ...
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer
> "Pink Freud©®" <drive-in-lobotomies@trepanation.calm> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.10.29.23.09.51.65834@trepanation.cal m...
>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:59:28 -0600, Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> > btw, it's NOT spam either.
>>
>> BTW, yes it is.
>>
>> Read the TOS or AUP of any major ISP or NNSP sometime.
>>
>
> It's crap yes, but it's not spam. Wikipedia says "Newsgroup spam" is
> "advertisement and forgery on newsgroups". I see no advertisement or
> forgery here, except perhaps for the cowards who never had a real service
> record and who don't post under their own names for fear of Bill. You know
> who I mean, "the little Psychopath, jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact
> that I once own a '37 Lasalle, ranting over my documents, possessions,
> successes, manliness, Super Southern California surfer body, Christian
> family, and name..." You know, those guys.
>
> What we have here, is an objectionable flame war, much like President Bush's
> "war on terrorism" which EVERYONE knows is a "war on Muslims". But it's not
> spam. Calling it spam is ignorant. But that's nothing new for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Earle
Wiki is far, far from the ultimate arbiter, which you should know, but
obviously don't.
And whatever Billie's psychiatric diagnoses might be, it appears
that elements of it/them are transmittable, particularly the
assumptiveness without personal knowledge of those of whom you are so
derisive.
"So Happy Together......"
.._. .... . . ._. ...
--
"I am become Cooyon Billieboi, the destroyer of groups."
-- Bhagavad-Gita (Version 2)
-- aka the Bagoffat-Geezer