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#621
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Re: the reported bear attack
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:49:35 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:j2ok42drnu4f1fj5atglb9g2fa8f7ucgf3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:09:00 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The whole thing hinges on
>> >how you define a "child".
>>
>> Absolute, illogical nonsense. A child (any life, actually) is what it
>> is regardless of any definition. Definitions are conceptual not
>> actual.
>>
>> Worse, such logical contortions never improve civilization, quite to
>> the contrary they reduce life to whatever we want it to be. Does
>> gulag ring any bells? How about killing fields? Holocausts?
>>
>It doesn't matter whether you think it is logical or not. What matters, is
>what the congress, various state legislatures, and the supreme courts have
>to say about it. And "definitions", which you seem not to like, perhaps
>because you can't provide one, are the stuff out of which laws are made.
I can provide any number of 'definitions' all as arbitrary and
capricious as those which apparently anchor your morality.
That was my point, Earle, anybody can make a definition, but they
can't make it real. How about your lawn, Earle? That's just folks
defining things for you. You think the definition it correct?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:j2ok42drnu4f1fj5atglb9g2fa8f7ucgf3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:09:00 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The whole thing hinges on
>> >how you define a "child".
>>
>> Absolute, illogical nonsense. A child (any life, actually) is what it
>> is regardless of any definition. Definitions are conceptual not
>> actual.
>>
>> Worse, such logical contortions never improve civilization, quite to
>> the contrary they reduce life to whatever we want it to be. Does
>> gulag ring any bells? How about killing fields? Holocausts?
>>
>It doesn't matter whether you think it is logical or not. What matters, is
>what the congress, various state legislatures, and the supreme courts have
>to say about it. And "definitions", which you seem not to like, perhaps
>because you can't provide one, are the stuff out of which laws are made.
I can provide any number of 'definitions' all as arbitrary and
capricious as those which apparently anchor your morality.
That was my point, Earle, anybody can make a definition, but they
can't make it real. How about your lawn, Earle? That's just folks
defining things for you. You think the definition it correct?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#622
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Re: the reported bear attack
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:49:35 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:j2ok42drnu4f1fj5atglb9g2fa8f7ucgf3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:09:00 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The whole thing hinges on
>> >how you define a "child".
>>
>> Absolute, illogical nonsense. A child (any life, actually) is what it
>> is regardless of any definition. Definitions are conceptual not
>> actual.
>>
>> Worse, such logical contortions never improve civilization, quite to
>> the contrary they reduce life to whatever we want it to be. Does
>> gulag ring any bells? How about killing fields? Holocausts?
>>
>It doesn't matter whether you think it is logical or not. What matters, is
>what the congress, various state legislatures, and the supreme courts have
>to say about it. And "definitions", which you seem not to like, perhaps
>because you can't provide one, are the stuff out of which laws are made.
I can provide any number of 'definitions' all as arbitrary and
capricious as those which apparently anchor your morality.
That was my point, Earle, anybody can make a definition, but they
can't make it real. How about your lawn, Earle? That's just folks
defining things for you. You think the definition it correct?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:j2ok42drnu4f1fj5atglb9g2fa8f7ucgf3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:09:00 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The whole thing hinges on
>> >how you define a "child".
>>
>> Absolute, illogical nonsense. A child (any life, actually) is what it
>> is regardless of any definition. Definitions are conceptual not
>> actual.
>>
>> Worse, such logical contortions never improve civilization, quite to
>> the contrary they reduce life to whatever we want it to be. Does
>> gulag ring any bells? How about killing fields? Holocausts?
>>
>It doesn't matter whether you think it is logical or not. What matters, is
>what the congress, various state legislatures, and the supreme courts have
>to say about it. And "definitions", which you seem not to like, perhaps
>because you can't provide one, are the stuff out of which laws are made.
I can provide any number of 'definitions' all as arbitrary and
capricious as those which apparently anchor your morality.
That was my point, Earle, anybody can make a definition, but they
can't make it real. How about your lawn, Earle? That's just folks
defining things for you. You think the definition it correct?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#623
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Re: the reported bear attack
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 11:49:35 -0600, "Earle Horton"
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:j2ok42drnu4f1fj5atglb9g2fa8f7ucgf3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:09:00 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The whole thing hinges on
>> >how you define a "child".
>>
>> Absolute, illogical nonsense. A child (any life, actually) is what it
>> is regardless of any definition. Definitions are conceptual not
>> actual.
>>
>> Worse, such logical contortions never improve civilization, quite to
>> the contrary they reduce life to whatever we want it to be. Does
>> gulag ring any bells? How about killing fields? Holocausts?
>>
>It doesn't matter whether you think it is logical or not. What matters, is
>what the congress, various state legislatures, and the supreme courts have
>to say about it. And "definitions", which you seem not to like, perhaps
>because you can't provide one, are the stuff out of which laws are made.
I can provide any number of 'definitions' all as arbitrary and
capricious as those which apparently anchor your morality.
That was my point, Earle, anybody can make a definition, but they
can't make it real. How about your lawn, Earle? That's just folks
defining things for you. You think the definition it correct?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
<NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
><Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>news:j2ok42drnu4f1fj5atglb9g2fa8f7ucgf3@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:09:00 -0600, "Earle Horton"
>> <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The whole thing hinges on
>> >how you define a "child".
>>
>> Absolute, illogical nonsense. A child (any life, actually) is what it
>> is regardless of any definition. Definitions are conceptual not
>> actual.
>>
>> Worse, such logical contortions never improve civilization, quite to
>> the contrary they reduce life to whatever we want it to be. Does
>> gulag ring any bells? How about killing fields? Holocausts?
>>
>It doesn't matter whether you think it is logical or not. What matters, is
>what the congress, various state legislatures, and the supreme courts have
>to say about it. And "definitions", which you seem not to like, perhaps
>because you can't provide one, are the stuff out of which laws are made.
I can provide any number of 'definitions' all as arbitrary and
capricious as those which apparently anchor your morality.
That was my point, Earle, anybody can make a definition, but they
can't make it real. How about your lawn, Earle? That's just folks
defining things for you. You think the definition it correct?
-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
#624
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Re: the reported bear attack
Breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, halfway out but do not forcibly cut
off your breathe. Full out and you are more likely to waver a tad.
Personally I'd prefer an Honest John and a tactical.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And breath in, breath out, and hold. Trying to time it with the
> wondering circle
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>>The secret, is to pull the trigger between the heartbeats.
>>
>>Spdloader
off your breathe. Full out and you are more likely to waver a tad.
Personally I'd prefer an Honest John and a tactical.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And breath in, breath out, and hold. Trying to time it with the
> wondering circle
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>>The secret, is to pull the trigger between the heartbeats.
>>
>>Spdloader
#625
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Re: the reported bear attack
Breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, halfway out but do not forcibly cut
off your breathe. Full out and you are more likely to waver a tad.
Personally I'd prefer an Honest John and a tactical.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And breath in, breath out, and hold. Trying to time it with the
> wondering circle
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>>The secret, is to pull the trigger between the heartbeats.
>>
>>Spdloader
off your breathe. Full out and you are more likely to waver a tad.
Personally I'd prefer an Honest John and a tactical.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And breath in, breath out, and hold. Trying to time it with the
> wondering circle
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>>The secret, is to pull the trigger between the heartbeats.
>>
>>Spdloader
#626
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Posts: n/a
Re: the reported bear attack
Breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, halfway out but do not forcibly cut
off your breathe. Full out and you are more likely to waver a tad.
Personally I'd prefer an Honest John and a tactical.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And breath in, breath out, and hold. Trying to time it with the
> wondering circle
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>>The secret, is to pull the trigger between the heartbeats.
>>
>>Spdloader
off your breathe. Full out and you are more likely to waver a tad.
Personally I'd prefer an Honest John and a tactical.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> And breath in, breath out, and hold. Trying to time it with the
> wondering circle
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Spdloader wrote:
>
>>The secret, is to pull the trigger between the heartbeats.
>>
>>Spdloader
#627
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Re: the reported bear attack
Grumman-581 proclaimed:
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78a93$4446eb45$48313026$23623@FUSE.NET...
>
>>If any bear charges you it would be best to have a .45-70 handy. Better
>
> yet
>
>>two or three .45-70s or other full size rifles in calibers that begin with
>>.4
>
>
> I would prefer to be in a Real Jeep with a Real Rifle Rack...
I'd prefer to be in a Rat Patrol Jeep with a recoilless rifle..
Hey Nathan, you ever find mapping software?
A cow orker is trying to get ahold of an IT person at Plumb Creek up
around Columbia Falls to see what they use for mapping their logging
trails. He recalls it did come from one of the big GPS and map makers
and further that it wasn't cheap.
If he can get the name of the kit, will pass on. You might also try a
local lumber company IT department if there is one near you that you've
gotten to know.
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78a93$4446eb45$48313026$23623@FUSE.NET...
>
>>If any bear charges you it would be best to have a .45-70 handy. Better
>
> yet
>
>>two or three .45-70s or other full size rifles in calibers that begin with
>>.4
>
>
> I would prefer to be in a Real Jeep with a Real Rifle Rack...
I'd prefer to be in a Rat Patrol Jeep with a recoilless rifle..
Hey Nathan, you ever find mapping software?
A cow orker is trying to get ahold of an IT person at Plumb Creek up
around Columbia Falls to see what they use for mapping their logging
trails. He recalls it did come from one of the big GPS and map makers
and further that it wasn't cheap.
If he can get the name of the kit, will pass on. You might also try a
local lumber company IT department if there is one near you that you've
gotten to know.
#628
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Re: the reported bear attack
Grumman-581 proclaimed:
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78a93$4446eb45$48313026$23623@FUSE.NET...
>
>>If any bear charges you it would be best to have a .45-70 handy. Better
>
> yet
>
>>two or three .45-70s or other full size rifles in calibers that begin with
>>.4
>
>
> I would prefer to be in a Real Jeep with a Real Rifle Rack...
I'd prefer to be in a Rat Patrol Jeep with a recoilless rifle..
Hey Nathan, you ever find mapping software?
A cow orker is trying to get ahold of an IT person at Plumb Creek up
around Columbia Falls to see what they use for mapping their logging
trails. He recalls it did come from one of the big GPS and map makers
and further that it wasn't cheap.
If he can get the name of the kit, will pass on. You might also try a
local lumber company IT department if there is one near you that you've
gotten to know.
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78a93$4446eb45$48313026$23623@FUSE.NET...
>
>>If any bear charges you it would be best to have a .45-70 handy. Better
>
> yet
>
>>two or three .45-70s or other full size rifles in calibers that begin with
>>.4
>
>
> I would prefer to be in a Real Jeep with a Real Rifle Rack...
I'd prefer to be in a Rat Patrol Jeep with a recoilless rifle..
Hey Nathan, you ever find mapping software?
A cow orker is trying to get ahold of an IT person at Plumb Creek up
around Columbia Falls to see what they use for mapping their logging
trails. He recalls it did come from one of the big GPS and map makers
and further that it wasn't cheap.
If he can get the name of the kit, will pass on. You might also try a
local lumber company IT department if there is one near you that you've
gotten to know.
#629
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Re: the reported bear attack
Grumman-581 proclaimed:
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78a93$4446eb45$48313026$23623@FUSE.NET...
>
>>If any bear charges you it would be best to have a .45-70 handy. Better
>
> yet
>
>>two or three .45-70s or other full size rifles in calibers that begin with
>>.4
>
>
> I would prefer to be in a Real Jeep with a Real Rifle Rack...
I'd prefer to be in a Rat Patrol Jeep with a recoilless rifle..
Hey Nathan, you ever find mapping software?
A cow orker is trying to get ahold of an IT person at Plumb Creek up
around Columbia Falls to see what they use for mapping their logging
trails. He recalls it did come from one of the big GPS and map makers
and further that it wasn't cheap.
If he can get the name of the kit, will pass on. You might also try a
local lumber company IT department if there is one near you that you've
gotten to know.
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:78a93$4446eb45$48313026$23623@FUSE.NET...
>
>>If any bear charges you it would be best to have a .45-70 handy. Better
>
> yet
>
>>two or three .45-70s or other full size rifles in calibers that begin with
>>.4
>
>
> I would prefer to be in a Real Jeep with a Real Rifle Rack...
I'd prefer to be in a Rat Patrol Jeep with a recoilless rifle..
Hey Nathan, you ever find mapping software?
A cow orker is trying to get ahold of an IT person at Plumb Creek up
around Columbia Falls to see what they use for mapping their logging
trails. He recalls it did come from one of the big GPS and map makers
and further that it wasn't cheap.
If he can get the name of the kit, will pass on. You might also try a
local lumber company IT department if there is one near you that you've
gotten to know.
#630
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Re: the reported bear attack
Earle Horton proclaimed:
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:fGB1g.47$NN3.10667@news.uswest.net...
>
>>"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:4446bdfe$0$14922$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews .com...
>>
>>>Although the black bear is usually considered fairly timid in comparison
>>>with its brown cousins, they can get dangerous.
>>
>>black bears dont bluff. if a grizzly bear charges you, there is about a
>>50% chance that its a "bluff charge" and if you stand your ground he
>>will turn away. if a black bear charges you, hes gonna hit you.
>>
>
> Blacks can climb trees too.
>
I'd be willing to bet that black bear hurt or kill more people by far
than grizzlies. The blacks are not as shy and tend to consider humans
excellent food sources. All someone would need to do is startle one at
the wrong time or get between them and food. The good news is that if
they are after your food, even when they are within a foot or two, you
can usually slowly just move away and they'll leave you alone. Not that
it was a smart idea, but mother black bears don't really seem to mind 12
year old kids getting right up next to their cubs--although the cubs can
be dangerous as well simply due to their much higher strength. We had
a 200+ acre abandoned apple orchard on the far side of a hill from our
back yard and you pretty much couldn't go in there without running into
a feeding bear or two in late summer. Always carried a .357, but never
needed to use it.
> "Nathan W. Collier" <Nathan@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> news:fGB1g.47$NN3.10667@news.uswest.net...
>
>>"Earle Horton" <NurseBustersNoSpam@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:4446bdfe$0$14922$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews .com...
>>
>>>Although the black bear is usually considered fairly timid in comparison
>>>with its brown cousins, they can get dangerous.
>>
>>black bears dont bluff. if a grizzly bear charges you, there is about a
>>50% chance that its a "bluff charge" and if you stand your ground he
>>will turn away. if a black bear charges you, hes gonna hit you.
>>
>
> Blacks can climb trees too.
>
I'd be willing to bet that black bear hurt or kill more people by far
than grizzlies. The blacks are not as shy and tend to consider humans
excellent food sources. All someone would need to do is startle one at
the wrong time or get between them and food. The good news is that if
they are after your food, even when they are within a foot or two, you
can usually slowly just move away and they'll leave you alone. Not that
it was a smart idea, but mother black bears don't really seem to mind 12
year old kids getting right up next to their cubs--although the cubs can
be dangerous as well simply due to their much higher strength. We had
a 200+ acre abandoned apple orchard on the far side of a hill from our
back yard and you pretty much couldn't go in there without running into
a feeding bear or two in late summer. Always carried a .357, but never
needed to use it.