On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:31:50 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:j7mepvchl4ou29d6s6nks95gpghsrg55gg@4ax.com.. .
>> Even with buffering all the pounding the
>> CD takes will throw the laser out of whack.
>
>once upon a time pioneer used to make a cd player specifically for trucks
>for off roading. were these any better about holding up?

Some CD players have some really good vibration dampening in them.
These are the ones they install in 4x4's and boats.
Boats will beat the ---- out of electronics.
You might be better off to buy a portable and then plug it into a set
of speakers. The Scooter riders have setups like that where they plug
a digital MP3 player into the speakers which are waterproof.
Probably similar to a motorcycle. of course the problem is volume
since it's not a boosted signal.
The first time you see the water reaching up high enough to enter your
CD player is going to dampen your fun if it's an install type.
At leastthe Boat/U.S stores are honest and tell you waterproof really
means that if you drop a portable radio into a wet bilge it *might*
still work. We no longer have a Boat/U.S. store nearby or I'd swing in
and ask them for you.
You are better off getting 2 cheap Digital MP3 players and head
phones. Of course your daughter might be too young for that.
Just remember if it can get wet it will.
Oh and I did drop that radio I bought into about 3 feet of water and
it still worked. Nice thing about a Boat radio is you have 10-12
weather stations that update you literally every 5 minutes on the
weather and with incredible accuracy. You will only get 2-3 stations
unless you live in a lakes Region but each station covers a particular
area.

 

Scooby Don't wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:32:24 -0400, FrankW <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>The more I drive it The more I'm amazed.
>>I owned it 8 years now
>>I've driven it over dead fall trees,logs,branches and browse.
>>Trail? We don't need no stinken trail (Seriously)
>
>
> Well most ATV's and the Argo is an ATV don't need a real trail.
> But they need it to be clear of lots of vertical trees. :)
> That shurb brush can rip you up pretty good.
>
>
>>Through loon ***** swamps
>>(you know, when you sink up to your knees/crotch in it)
>
>
> Yep, I know it and avoided it in maine when I was up there years ago.
>
>
>>Crossed lakes,ponds and streams.
>
>
> Looks a bit iffy on the depth you have to the top of the damn there is
> a nautical term for it and it slips my mind! Anyway you don't have a
> lot of room before water comes in and you need a bilge pump.
> They send me the catalogs every couple of months and while it can
> cross dead water. Anything amounting to chop would be scary.

It can float pretty good It's rated for two people in water but
I did have three LARGE people in it with no worries.
True it wouldn't handle rough choppy water too well.
But it is rated for a 9.9 outboard
>
>>As for rocks... Well it's like any machine. Put the wheels on the
>>highest rocks to climb over or go around.( I don't climbs rocks for fun)
>>I have a skid plate on it so scraping over rocks is no problem. traction
>>is no problem as it's a skid steer
>>when one side starts to spin just brake it and the other side drives it
>>out. I wish I had pictures of it in action.
>
>
> Well what I really meant was it does not look like it has a lot of
> articulation in the wheels to go up and over some of the rougher
> stuff.

Look closely it's got a extra wheel "in the middle" :-)
unlike a Quad or Jeep

> To me it basically looks like a variant of the M29 weasel which was
> also amphibious but the Weasel had a problem in that while it could
> chew through stuff that would kill a jeep it has metal tracks and was
> a pain to drive with a 3 spd manual studebaker tranny.
> I'd love to seea video of you putting it through it's paces. I won't
> ever be able to ride a Quad agaid so the Rhino is looking mighty good
> and I'll be interested to see what Nathan says about it's
> capabilities.
> The Argo's can only go 24 mph or so. I guess there is another company
> out there that makes a similar ATV to the Argo but it has up to 8
> driving wheels and is amphibious.

Argos also make an 8 wheeler. There is another company that makes
a machine similar "Max" I believe is the name of it.
>
>
>>With the super tracks, it also traverses deep snow (I don't have tracks
>>as I have a Ski Doo MXZ)
>
>
> I wonder how well those tracks would actually work since they stay on
> all the time. It might climb hills a bit better with tracks.

Tracks are only needed for floatation on the snow. The 6x6 drive
has a LOT of traction.
>
>>I use the machine only for hunting season in the Calabogie Ontario Area.
>>Mike Romain kinda knows the area as it in the same general area he
>>wheels in the fall.
>>
>>Granted some things a Quad ATV can do, may be better,(like go faster)
>>but in my opinion this machine is the ultimate year round GO ANYWHERE
>>all terrain vehicle. I almost bought a Quad untill I test drove it.
>>I guarantee that a Jeep or Quad cannot follow me up at the hunt camp.
>
>
> Quads are fast and it would be nice if they could double the speed on

I wouldn't recommend making it faster. I think it's too fast in the bush
already

> the Argo. But the ground clearace is low with little articulation. So
> big rocks are out but being amphibious is an asset if you have to go
> through standing water. I wonder how well it will pull itself through
> real Mud tho.
It goes through mud just as well as going through the Loon *****

> Dealers never let you actually play with one.
> Is teh only reason the Quad can't make it up to you camp is because of
> deep standing water?

No No cars can make it to the camp. But getting to the field were the
deer dropped That's where it truly shines. My hunting buddy's love
the machine as they never have to drag deer out of the bush again.
>
> I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
Understood, this machine is unique and a lot of people can't visualize
what this machine can actually do (with the right operator of coarse)
I just am curious since my
> quad riding days are over and I'd like to find smething fun. Speed is
> good too tho.
>
Truthfully the argo (to me anyways) is a piece of hunting equipment
not a toy It sits in storage most of the year to be pulled out
at the start of small game season. Then after deer back in storage.
My Nephew use to bug me all the time to rip around in it (which I
kinda disliked) Whew thankfully his fricken Dad bought him a dirt bike.
Took a lot off pressure off the Argo.

My Ski Doo is my real toy

 

Scooby Don't wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:32:24 -0400, FrankW <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>The more I drive it The more I'm amazed.
>>I owned it 8 years now
>>I've driven it over dead fall trees,logs,branches and browse.
>>Trail? We don't need no stinken trail (Seriously)
>
>
> Well most ATV's and the Argo is an ATV don't need a real trail.
> But they need it to be clear of lots of vertical trees. :)
> That shurb brush can rip you up pretty good.
>
>
>>Through loon ***** swamps
>>(you know, when you sink up to your knees/crotch in it)
>
>
> Yep, I know it and avoided it in maine when I was up there years ago.
>
>
>>Crossed lakes,ponds and streams.
>
>
> Looks a bit iffy on the depth you have to the top of the damn there is
> a nautical term for it and it slips my mind! Anyway you don't have a
> lot of room before water comes in and you need a bilge pump.
> They send me the catalogs every couple of months and while it can
> cross dead water. Anything amounting to chop would be scary.

It can float pretty good It's rated for two people in water but
I did have three LARGE people in it with no worries.
True it wouldn't handle rough choppy water too well.
But it is rated for a 9.9 outboard
>
>>As for rocks... Well it's like any machine. Put the wheels on the
>>highest rocks to climb over or go around.( I don't climbs rocks for fun)
>>I have a skid plate on it so scraping over rocks is no problem. traction
>>is no problem as it's a skid steer
>>when one side starts to spin just brake it and the other side drives it
>>out. I wish I had pictures of it in action.
>
>
> Well what I really meant was it does not look like it has a lot of
> articulation in the wheels to go up and over some of the rougher
> stuff.

Look closely it's got a extra wheel "in the middle" :-)
unlike a Quad or Jeep

> To me it basically looks like a variant of the M29 weasel which was
> also amphibious but the Weasel had a problem in that while it could
> chew through stuff that would kill a jeep it has metal tracks and was
> a pain to drive with a 3 spd manual studebaker tranny.
> I'd love to seea video of you putting it through it's paces. I won't
> ever be able to ride a Quad agaid so the Rhino is looking mighty good
> and I'll be interested to see what Nathan says about it's
> capabilities.
> The Argo's can only go 24 mph or so. I guess there is another company
> out there that makes a similar ATV to the Argo but it has up to 8
> driving wheels and is amphibious.

Argos also make an 8 wheeler. There is another company that makes
a machine similar "Max" I believe is the name of it.
>
>
>>With the super tracks, it also traverses deep snow (I don't have tracks
>>as I have a Ski Doo MXZ)
>
>
> I wonder how well those tracks would actually work since they stay on
> all the time. It might climb hills a bit better with tracks.

Tracks are only needed for floatation on the snow. The 6x6 drive
has a LOT of traction.
>
>>I use the machine only for hunting season in the Calabogie Ontario Area.
>>Mike Romain kinda knows the area as it in the same general area he
>>wheels in the fall.
>>
>>Granted some things a Quad ATV can do, may be better,(like go faster)
>>but in my opinion this machine is the ultimate year round GO ANYWHERE
>>all terrain vehicle. I almost bought a Quad untill I test drove it.
>>I guarantee that a Jeep or Quad cannot follow me up at the hunt camp.
>
>
> Quads are fast and it would be nice if they could double the speed on

I wouldn't recommend making it faster. I think it's too fast in the bush
already

> the Argo. But the ground clearace is low with little articulation. So
> big rocks are out but being amphibious is an asset if you have to go
> through standing water. I wonder how well it will pull itself through
> real Mud tho.
It goes through mud just as well as going through the Loon *****

> Dealers never let you actually play with one.
> Is teh only reason the Quad can't make it up to you camp is because of
> deep standing water?

No No cars can make it to the camp. But getting to the field were the
deer dropped That's where it truly shines. My hunting buddy's love
the machine as they never have to drag deer out of the bush again.
>
> I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
Understood, this machine is unique and a lot of people can't visualize
what this machine can actually do (with the right operator of coarse)
I just am curious since my
> quad riding days are over and I'd like to find smething fun. Speed is
> good too tho.
>
Truthfully the argo (to me anyways) is a piece of hunting equipment
not a toy It sits in storage most of the year to be pulled out
at the start of small game season. Then after deer back in storage.
My Nephew use to bug me all the time to rip around in it (which I
kinda disliked) Whew thankfully his fricken Dad bought him a dirt bike.
Took a lot off pressure off the Argo.

My Ski Doo is my real toy

 

Scooby Don't wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:32:24 -0400, FrankW <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>The more I drive it The more I'm amazed.
>>I owned it 8 years now
>>I've driven it over dead fall trees,logs,branches and browse.
>>Trail? We don't need no stinken trail (Seriously)
>
>
> Well most ATV's and the Argo is an ATV don't need a real trail.
> But they need it to be clear of lots of vertical trees. :)
> That shurb brush can rip you up pretty good.
>
>
>>Through loon ***** swamps
>>(you know, when you sink up to your knees/crotch in it)
>
>
> Yep, I know it and avoided it in maine when I was up there years ago.
>
>
>>Crossed lakes,ponds and streams.
>
>
> Looks a bit iffy on the depth you have to the top of the damn there is
> a nautical term for it and it slips my mind! Anyway you don't have a
> lot of room before water comes in and you need a bilge pump.
> They send me the catalogs every couple of months and while it can
> cross dead water. Anything amounting to chop would be scary.

It can float pretty good It's rated for two people in water but
I did have three LARGE people in it with no worries.
True it wouldn't handle rough choppy water too well.
But it is rated for a 9.9 outboard
>
>>As for rocks... Well it's like any machine. Put the wheels on the
>>highest rocks to climb over or go around.( I don't climbs rocks for fun)
>>I have a skid plate on it so scraping over rocks is no problem. traction
>>is no problem as it's a skid steer
>>when one side starts to spin just brake it and the other side drives it
>>out. I wish I had pictures of it in action.
>
>
> Well what I really meant was it does not look like it has a lot of
> articulation in the wheels to go up and over some of the rougher
> stuff.

Look closely it's got a extra wheel "in the middle" :-)
unlike a Quad or Jeep

> To me it basically looks like a variant of the M29 weasel which was
> also amphibious but the Weasel had a problem in that while it could
> chew through stuff that would kill a jeep it has metal tracks and was
> a pain to drive with a 3 spd manual studebaker tranny.
> I'd love to seea video of you putting it through it's paces. I won't
> ever be able to ride a Quad agaid so the Rhino is looking mighty good
> and I'll be interested to see what Nathan says about it's
> capabilities.
> The Argo's can only go 24 mph or so. I guess there is another company
> out there that makes a similar ATV to the Argo but it has up to 8
> driving wheels and is amphibious.

Argos also make an 8 wheeler. There is another company that makes
a machine similar "Max" I believe is the name of it.
>
>
>>With the super tracks, it also traverses deep snow (I don't have tracks
>>as I have a Ski Doo MXZ)
>
>
> I wonder how well those tracks would actually work since they stay on
> all the time. It might climb hills a bit better with tracks.

Tracks are only needed for floatation on the snow. The 6x6 drive
has a LOT of traction.
>
>>I use the machine only for hunting season in the Calabogie Ontario Area.
>>Mike Romain kinda knows the area as it in the same general area he
>>wheels in the fall.
>>
>>Granted some things a Quad ATV can do, may be better,(like go faster)
>>but in my opinion this machine is the ultimate year round GO ANYWHERE
>>all terrain vehicle. I almost bought a Quad untill I test drove it.
>>I guarantee that a Jeep or Quad cannot follow me up at the hunt camp.
>
>
> Quads are fast and it would be nice if they could double the speed on

I wouldn't recommend making it faster. I think it's too fast in the bush
already

> the Argo. But the ground clearace is low with little articulation. So
> big rocks are out but being amphibious is an asset if you have to go
> through standing water. I wonder how well it will pull itself through
> real Mud tho.
It goes through mud just as well as going through the Loon *****

> Dealers never let you actually play with one.
> Is teh only reason the Quad can't make it up to you camp is because of
> deep standing water?

No No cars can make it to the camp. But getting to the field were the
deer dropped That's where it truly shines. My hunting buddy's love
the machine as they never have to drag deer out of the bush again.
>
> I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
Understood, this machine is unique and a lot of people can't visualize
what this machine can actually do (with the right operator of coarse)
I just am curious since my
> quad riding days are over and I'd like to find smething fun. Speed is
> good too tho.
>
Truthfully the argo (to me anyways) is a piece of hunting equipment
not a toy It sits in storage most of the year to be pulled out
at the start of small game season. Then after deer back in storage.
My Nephew use to bug me all the time to rip around in it (which I
kinda disliked) Whew thankfully his fricken Dad bought him a dirt bike.
Took a lot off pressure off the Argo.

My Ski Doo is my real toy

 

A marine radio setup will be splash resistant, not "waterproof", and
Matt has a point about the front hole for a CD or TAPE player. It will
fill up with muddy water.

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>hadnt thought about a marine shop. come to think of it, dont they sell
>>waterproof radios that dont require anything further?
>
>
> Don't know how "waterproof" you can make a CD player, but I replaced my stock
> CD player with a Jensen marine AM/FM/CD, model # MCD6424RC. The circuits are
> all potted and the front cover does a pretty good job of sealing out dust and
> dirt infiltration, which is how my stock CD player died.

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Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
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A marine radio setup will be splash resistant, not "waterproof", and
Matt has a point about the front hole for a CD or TAPE player. It will
fill up with muddy water.

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>hadnt thought about a marine shop. come to think of it, dont they sell
>>waterproof radios that dont require anything further?
>
>
> Don't know how "waterproof" you can make a CD player, but I replaced my stock
> CD player with a Jensen marine AM/FM/CD, model # MCD6424RC. The circuits are
> all potted and the front cover does a pretty good job of sealing out dust and
> dirt infiltration, which is how my stock CD player died.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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__________________________________________________ _________

 

A marine radio setup will be splash resistant, not "waterproof", and
Matt has a point about the front hole for a CD or TAPE player. It will
fill up with muddy water.

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>hadnt thought about a marine shop. come to think of it, dont they sell
>>waterproof radios that dont require anything further?
>
>
> Don't know how "waterproof" you can make a CD player, but I replaced my stock
> CD player with a Jensen marine AM/FM/CD, model # MCD6424RC. The circuits are
> all potted and the front cover does a pretty good job of sealing out dust and
> dirt infiltration, which is how my stock CD player died.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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Nathan Collier wrote:

> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:b-mcnQvh5uyhRguiU-KYiw@magma.ca...
>
>>As for rocks... Well it's like any machine. Put the wheels on the
>>highest rocks to climb over or go around.( I don't climbs rocks for fun)
>
>
> ive met a few argo and argo type rigs on the trail in 6x6 and even 8x8
> configurations. theyre a great all around machine, but my experience with
> them has left me with the impression that they arent at home in rocks. im
> not talking about crossing a rock here and there, im talking about in more
> aggressive areas like daniel at uwharrie, or anywhere at tellico. while you
> can make it go, it seems to require far more effort than i would want to put
> into it. skid steer just is not effective in off camber rocky situations.

I agree Nathen. I'd prefer to go around those situations if possible
(extreme rocks I mean. If I wanted to traverse those situations I'd
build my Jeep up)
>
> or maybe it was just those particular riders.
Could be eh :-)
>
>
>>I guarantee that a Jeep or Quad cannot follow me up at the hunt camp.
>
>
> you talking 4x4 quads? unless youre referencing floatation......

Yes 4x4 quads. Floatation has a big part in it. Because it has six
wheels it tends to stay on top of mud, Loon ***** etc...\
It only weighs 800 pounds.
The first swamp I cross, leaves the quad on shore.
I know this for sure, as a path I made across a small swamp
a 4x4 quad tried to follow and he got stuck bad. I had
to pull him out. heh heh I drove by,around that stuck quad a couple
times just to **** him off. ;-) You had to be there.
>
>

 

Nathan Collier wrote:

> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:b-mcnQvh5uyhRguiU-KYiw@magma.ca...
>
>>As for rocks... Well it's like any machine. Put the wheels on the
>>highest rocks to climb over or go around.( I don't climbs rocks for fun)
>
>
> ive met a few argo and argo type rigs on the trail in 6x6 and even 8x8
> configurations. theyre a great all around machine, but my experience with
> them has left me with the impression that they arent at home in rocks. im
> not talking about crossing a rock here and there, im talking about in more
> aggressive areas like daniel at uwharrie, or anywhere at tellico. while you
> can make it go, it seems to require far more effort than i would want to put
> into it. skid steer just is not effective in off camber rocky situations.

I agree Nathen. I'd prefer to go around those situations if possible
(extreme rocks I mean. If I wanted to traverse those situations I'd
build my Jeep up)
>
> or maybe it was just those particular riders.
Could be eh :-)
>
>
>>I guarantee that a Jeep or Quad cannot follow me up at the hunt camp.
>
>
> you talking 4x4 quads? unless youre referencing floatation......

Yes 4x4 quads. Floatation has a big part in it. Because it has six
wheels it tends to stay on top of mud, Loon ***** etc...\
It only weighs 800 pounds.
The first swamp I cross, leaves the quad on shore.
I know this for sure, as a path I made across a small swamp
a 4x4 quad tried to follow and he got stuck bad. I had
to pull him out. heh heh I drove by,around that stuck quad a couple
times just to **** him off. ;-) You had to be there.
>
>

 

Nathan Collier wrote:

> "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> news:b-mcnQvh5uyhRguiU-KYiw@magma.ca...
>
>>As for rocks... Well it's like any machine. Put the wheels on the
>>highest rocks to climb over or go around.( I don't climbs rocks for fun)
>
>
> ive met a few argo and argo type rigs on the trail in 6x6 and even 8x8
> configurations. theyre a great all around machine, but my experience with
> them has left me with the impression that they arent at home in rocks. im
> not talking about crossing a rock here and there, im talking about in more
> aggressive areas like daniel at uwharrie, or anywhere at tellico. while you
> can make it go, it seems to require far more effort than i would want to put
> into it. skid steer just is not effective in off camber rocky situations.

I agree Nathen. I'd prefer to go around those situations if possible
(extreme rocks I mean. If I wanted to traverse those situations I'd
build my Jeep up)
>
> or maybe it was just those particular riders.
Could be eh :-)
>
>
>>I guarantee that a Jeep or Quad cannot follow me up at the hunt camp.
>
>
> you talking 4x4 quads? unless youre referencing floatation......

Yes 4x4 quads. Floatation has a big part in it. Because it has six
wheels it tends to stay on top of mud, Loon ***** etc...\
It only weighs 800 pounds.
The first swamp I cross, leaves the quad on shore.
I know this for sure, as a path I made across a small swamp
a 4x4 quad tried to follow and he got stuck bad. I had
to pull him out. heh heh I drove by,around that stuck quad a couple
times just to **** him off. ;-) You had to be there.
>
>