OT texas help
#31
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Re: OT texas help
"Will Honea" <will@codenet.net> wrote in message
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> I'm not much of an El Paso fan - border town (or better , city - it's
> a big place) and too much of a desert for me
hows the riding? one of the things i fell for in montana was the riding. i
have no doubt you could hop on an atv and ride for days. is there riding
like that in el paso?
> Amarillo is a funny town - no obvious reason it should exist but it
> seems to just plug along.
lol.....awesome description will!
> Texas gun laws take getting used to.
please explain?
thanks,
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http://7SlotGrille.com
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> I'm not much of an El Paso fan - border town (or better , city - it's
> a big place) and too much of a desert for me
hows the riding? one of the things i fell for in montana was the riding. i
have no doubt you could hop on an atv and ride for days. is there riding
like that in el paso?
> Amarillo is a funny town - no obvious reason it should exist but it
> seems to just plug along.
lol.....awesome description will!
> Texas gun laws take getting used to.
please explain?
thanks,
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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Re: OT texas help
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
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> I don't think anyone has mentioned the intense, brain-baking, will-to-live
> stealing heat.
the only benefit i can think of there (and its a BIG PLUS) would be pretty
much year round topless jeep/harley/atv riding.
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news:Hescb.569081$Ho3.105017@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think anyone has mentioned the intense, brain-baking, will-to-live
> stealing heat.
the only benefit i can think of there (and its a BIG PLUS) would be pretty
much year round topless jeep/harley/atv riding.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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Re: OT texas help
"Tyler Dirden" <na@spam.smeat.net> wrote in message
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> I don't think anyone has mentioned the intense, brain-baking, will-to-live
> stealing heat.
the only benefit i can think of there (and its a BIG PLUS) would be pretty
much year round topless jeep/harley/atv riding.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:Hescb.569081$Ho3.105017@sccrnsc03...
> I don't think anyone has mentioned the intense, brain-baking, will-to-live
> stealing heat.
the only benefit i can think of there (and its a BIG PLUS) would be pretty
much year round topless jeep/harley/atv riding.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
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I've never lived in El Paso, but have driven through it a couple of times.
One of the dirties towns (outward appearance, of course) that I've ever
seen. Not to mention being that close to the border. Get ready to pay some
outrageous insurance on those Jeeps!!!
Eric
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> please pardon the off topic thread:
>
> as our search continues, the wifey got two very interesting offers today
> (shes listed with a national nursing job publication) out of texas. one
was
> el paso, and the other was amarillo. i know nothing about these areas and
> would appreciate honest advice on them. the wifey has family in houston
(i
> wont even consider houston) so these offers got her attention and shes
asked
> me to explore the towns.
> thanks,
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
One of the dirties towns (outward appearance, of course) that I've ever
seen. Not to mention being that close to the border. Get ready to pay some
outrageous insurance on those Jeeps!!!
Eric
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Xrpcb.30$Nc7.4@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> please pardon the off topic thread:
>
> as our search continues, the wifey got two very interesting offers today
> (shes listed with a national nursing job publication) out of texas. one
was
> el paso, and the other was amarillo. i know nothing about these areas and
> would appreciate honest advice on them. the wifey has family in houston
(i
> wont even consider houston) so these offers got her attention and shes
asked
> me to explore the towns.
> thanks,
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
#35
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Re: OT texas help
I've never lived in El Paso, but have driven through it a couple of times.
One of the dirties towns (outward appearance, of course) that I've ever
seen. Not to mention being that close to the border. Get ready to pay some
outrageous insurance on those Jeeps!!!
Eric
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Xrpcb.30$Nc7.4@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> please pardon the off topic thread:
>
> as our search continues, the wifey got two very interesting offers today
> (shes listed with a national nursing job publication) out of texas. one
was
> el paso, and the other was amarillo. i know nothing about these areas and
> would appreciate honest advice on them. the wifey has family in houston
(i
> wont even consider houston) so these offers got her attention and shes
asked
> me to explore the towns.
> thanks,
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
One of the dirties towns (outward appearance, of course) that I've ever
seen. Not to mention being that close to the border. Get ready to pay some
outrageous insurance on those Jeeps!!!
Eric
"Nathan W. Collier" <JeepChat@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:Xrpcb.30$Nc7.4@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> please pardon the off topic thread:
>
> as our search continues, the wifey got two very interesting offers today
> (shes listed with a national nursing job publication) out of texas. one
was
> el paso, and the other was amarillo. i know nothing about these areas and
> would appreciate honest advice on them. the wifey has family in houston
(i
> wont even consider houston) so these offers got her attention and shes
asked
> me to explore the towns.
> thanks,
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
#36
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Re: OT texas help
Approximately 9/24/03 18:50, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:2oqcb.568360$Ho3.104326@sccrnsc03...
>> El Paso is about as flat as a folded tent.
>
> does that include the off road trails?
>
>
The offroad trails vary. There are more or less flat
or rolling hill areas going east of El Paso, with some
cool lava flows to chew up your tires a bit more
effectively than sandstone will. These still have
probably a hundred or so feet max vertical, except
for the Dona Ana range which is a bit higher but
not a 4-5000 foot elevation as in elsewhere.
There are also trails along the highway heading
out northwest to Las Cruces, again fairly little
elevation except for washes and stuff, except that
if you bear right you'll be in the lower reaches
of the Organs... and then you run into trails which
are really dry wash beds.
North of town there are no trails, just a rim of mountains,
and in the other directions you get military bases.
Heading up and around the back of the Organs you find
some really interesting and extremely challenging
mountain trails. Nothing like heading up a trail
that only a SWB Jeep could make it thru, and there
are rocks sticking out of sidewalls 50-100 feet high,
and there are rattlesnakes taking naps on those
rocks less than 10 feet from your head. These are
tight, narrow, twisty trails. You can't get off
the trail since it is really a canyon bottom.
And of course you can always try to find the big
stash of gold rumored to be buried on the range...
enough of a rumor that folks have sued the Army
to get access...and the Army has let them try.
Lotsa flourite, galena in the mountains near EP.
Other areas are desert dry lakebed with gypsum
crystals, desert roses, etc. Then a short drive
away there is a pretty good peridot deposit.
And some silver, cinnabar, etc.
You'll want excellent heat proof shocks to head on
the trails as they can burn out shocks with small
oil reservoirs unless you sneak along. The army
uses some of the trails for training tactical
vehicle drivers.
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:2oqcb.568360$Ho3.104326@sccrnsc03...
>> El Paso is about as flat as a folded tent.
>
> does that include the off road trails?
>
>
The offroad trails vary. There are more or less flat
or rolling hill areas going east of El Paso, with some
cool lava flows to chew up your tires a bit more
effectively than sandstone will. These still have
probably a hundred or so feet max vertical, except
for the Dona Ana range which is a bit higher but
not a 4-5000 foot elevation as in elsewhere.
There are also trails along the highway heading
out northwest to Las Cruces, again fairly little
elevation except for washes and stuff, except that
if you bear right you'll be in the lower reaches
of the Organs... and then you run into trails which
are really dry wash beds.
North of town there are no trails, just a rim of mountains,
and in the other directions you get military bases.
Heading up and around the back of the Organs you find
some really interesting and extremely challenging
mountain trails. Nothing like heading up a trail
that only a SWB Jeep could make it thru, and there
are rocks sticking out of sidewalls 50-100 feet high,
and there are rattlesnakes taking naps on those
rocks less than 10 feet from your head. These are
tight, narrow, twisty trails. You can't get off
the trail since it is really a canyon bottom.
And of course you can always try to find the big
stash of gold rumored to be buried on the range...
enough of a rumor that folks have sued the Army
to get access...and the Army has let them try.
Lotsa flourite, galena in the mountains near EP.
Other areas are desert dry lakebed with gypsum
crystals, desert roses, etc. Then a short drive
away there is a pretty good peridot deposit.
And some silver, cinnabar, etc.
You'll want excellent heat proof shocks to head on
the trails as they can burn out shocks with small
oil reservoirs unless you sneak along. The army
uses some of the trails for training tactical
vehicle drivers.
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Re: OT texas help
Approximately 9/24/03 18:50, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:2oqcb.568360$Ho3.104326@sccrnsc03...
>> El Paso is about as flat as a folded tent.
>
> does that include the off road trails?
>
>
The offroad trails vary. There are more or less flat
or rolling hill areas going east of El Paso, with some
cool lava flows to chew up your tires a bit more
effectively than sandstone will. These still have
probably a hundred or so feet max vertical, except
for the Dona Ana range which is a bit higher but
not a 4-5000 foot elevation as in elsewhere.
There are also trails along the highway heading
out northwest to Las Cruces, again fairly little
elevation except for washes and stuff, except that
if you bear right you'll be in the lower reaches
of the Organs... and then you run into trails which
are really dry wash beds.
North of town there are no trails, just a rim of mountains,
and in the other directions you get military bases.
Heading up and around the back of the Organs you find
some really interesting and extremely challenging
mountain trails. Nothing like heading up a trail
that only a SWB Jeep could make it thru, and there
are rocks sticking out of sidewalls 50-100 feet high,
and there are rattlesnakes taking naps on those
rocks less than 10 feet from your head. These are
tight, narrow, twisty trails. You can't get off
the trail since it is really a canyon bottom.
And of course you can always try to find the big
stash of gold rumored to be buried on the range...
enough of a rumor that folks have sued the Army
to get access...and the Army has let them try.
Lotsa flourite, galena in the mountains near EP.
Other areas are desert dry lakebed with gypsum
crystals, desert roses, etc. Then a short drive
away there is a pretty good peridot deposit.
And some silver, cinnabar, etc.
You'll want excellent heat proof shocks to head on
the trails as they can burn out shocks with small
oil reservoirs unless you sneak along. The army
uses some of the trails for training tactical
vehicle drivers.
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:2oqcb.568360$Ho3.104326@sccrnsc03...
>> El Paso is about as flat as a folded tent.
>
> does that include the off road trails?
>
>
The offroad trails vary. There are more or less flat
or rolling hill areas going east of El Paso, with some
cool lava flows to chew up your tires a bit more
effectively than sandstone will. These still have
probably a hundred or so feet max vertical, except
for the Dona Ana range which is a bit higher but
not a 4-5000 foot elevation as in elsewhere.
There are also trails along the highway heading
out northwest to Las Cruces, again fairly little
elevation except for washes and stuff, except that
if you bear right you'll be in the lower reaches
of the Organs... and then you run into trails which
are really dry wash beds.
North of town there are no trails, just a rim of mountains,
and in the other directions you get military bases.
Heading up and around the back of the Organs you find
some really interesting and extremely challenging
mountain trails. Nothing like heading up a trail
that only a SWB Jeep could make it thru, and there
are rocks sticking out of sidewalls 50-100 feet high,
and there are rattlesnakes taking naps on those
rocks less than 10 feet from your head. These are
tight, narrow, twisty trails. You can't get off
the trail since it is really a canyon bottom.
And of course you can always try to find the big
stash of gold rumored to be buried on the range...
enough of a rumor that folks have sued the Army
to get access...and the Army has let them try.
Lotsa flourite, galena in the mountains near EP.
Other areas are desert dry lakebed with gypsum
crystals, desert roses, etc. Then a short drive
away there is a pretty good peridot deposit.
And some silver, cinnabar, etc.
You'll want excellent heat proof shocks to head on
the trails as they can burn out shocks with small
oil reservoirs unless you sneak along. The army
uses some of the trails for training tactical
vehicle drivers.
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Re: OT texas help
Approximately 9/24/03 18:49, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:udqcb.574021$uu5.94399@sccrnsc04...
>> http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/ and http://www.elpaso.org/
>>
>> Last time I lived in El Paso was 1965
>
> awesome......somehow i _knew_ youd be able to hook me up lon!
>
>> No state, city, county taxes.
>
> does that include sales tax?
There were none when I was there, you'd have to check now.
The only folks I knew there were older than me, and therefore
I'd need a medium to contact them.
>
>
>> It is dry out there
>
> good, im tired of choking on east coast humidity.
I mean "dry*. Plus you get blowing pebbles, not sand.
In the windy areas, the sand blew away millions of
years ago, so you get pea sized pebbles blowing
around at 50 mph or so.
> are kids able to play outside without fear of snakes/scorpions/tarantulas
> and other monsters? are you able to ride off on an atv and camp under the
> stars or do you need to make special provisions to keep from being biten or
> eaten by anything?
The tarantulas seriously are not dangerous. And the snakes
try to avoid people. Plus in the daytime they hide under
rocks and come out at night to warm up on the hot rocks and
roads. Not as bad as it sounds unless you are in the boonies
like most of the missile range. There are a few scorpions
but I never ran into any even at white sands except in or
around the old abandoned mines.
>
> so there are rock crawling trails for jeeps and atv's? how are the atv
> laws? can you ride on the roads?
Dunno about ATV's on public roads to be honest, they didn't
have ATV's in the late 60's.
There are reasonable recreational rock crawling
trails, but it isn't steady rock like Moab area, more
just bumpy trails where you may need to traverse a
rock bed.
We used to use the military jeeps on weekends
to crawl most of them. All of these jeeps had full roll
cages or were restricted to on-road only.
>
> agreed. we're already making reservations. we're going to check out
> several states first hand before we do anything. great falls is still my
> first choice (well, helena is actually but the pay scale there is lower) but
> im going into this with an open mind. if both of us arent happy, neither
> will be.
>
El Paso will be more expensive, not as bad as Denver or
Phoenix, but well up there. Too many folks with doctorate
degrees in obscure fields living around there. Also it
really is a big town of over 2 million if you include
Juarez.
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:udqcb.574021$uu5.94399@sccrnsc04...
>> http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/ and http://www.elpaso.org/
>>
>> Last time I lived in El Paso was 1965
>
> awesome......somehow i _knew_ youd be able to hook me up lon!
>
>> No state, city, county taxes.
>
> does that include sales tax?
There were none when I was there, you'd have to check now.
The only folks I knew there were older than me, and therefore
I'd need a medium to contact them.
>
>
>> It is dry out there
>
> good, im tired of choking on east coast humidity.
I mean "dry*. Plus you get blowing pebbles, not sand.
In the windy areas, the sand blew away millions of
years ago, so you get pea sized pebbles blowing
around at 50 mph or so.
> are kids able to play outside without fear of snakes/scorpions/tarantulas
> and other monsters? are you able to ride off on an atv and camp under the
> stars or do you need to make special provisions to keep from being biten or
> eaten by anything?
The tarantulas seriously are not dangerous. And the snakes
try to avoid people. Plus in the daytime they hide under
rocks and come out at night to warm up on the hot rocks and
roads. Not as bad as it sounds unless you are in the boonies
like most of the missile range. There are a few scorpions
but I never ran into any even at white sands except in or
around the old abandoned mines.
>
> so there are rock crawling trails for jeeps and atv's? how are the atv
> laws? can you ride on the roads?
Dunno about ATV's on public roads to be honest, they didn't
have ATV's in the late 60's.
There are reasonable recreational rock crawling
trails, but it isn't steady rock like Moab area, more
just bumpy trails where you may need to traverse a
rock bed.
We used to use the military jeeps on weekends
to crawl most of them. All of these jeeps had full roll
cages or were restricted to on-road only.
>
> agreed. we're already making reservations. we're going to check out
> several states first hand before we do anything. great falls is still my
> first choice (well, helena is actually but the pay scale there is lower) but
> im going into this with an open mind. if both of us arent happy, neither
> will be.
>
El Paso will be more expensive, not as bad as Denver or
Phoenix, but well up there. Too many folks with doctorate
degrees in obscure fields living around there. Also it
really is a big town of over 2 million if you include
Juarez.
#39
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Re: OT texas help
Approximately 9/24/03 18:49, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:udqcb.574021$uu5.94399@sccrnsc04...
>> http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/ and http://www.elpaso.org/
>>
>> Last time I lived in El Paso was 1965
>
> awesome......somehow i _knew_ youd be able to hook me up lon!
>
>> No state, city, county taxes.
>
> does that include sales tax?
There were none when I was there, you'd have to check now.
The only folks I knew there were older than me, and therefore
I'd need a medium to contact them.
>
>
>> It is dry out there
>
> good, im tired of choking on east coast humidity.
I mean "dry*. Plus you get blowing pebbles, not sand.
In the windy areas, the sand blew away millions of
years ago, so you get pea sized pebbles blowing
around at 50 mph or so.
> are kids able to play outside without fear of snakes/scorpions/tarantulas
> and other monsters? are you able to ride off on an atv and camp under the
> stars or do you need to make special provisions to keep from being biten or
> eaten by anything?
The tarantulas seriously are not dangerous. And the snakes
try to avoid people. Plus in the daytime they hide under
rocks and come out at night to warm up on the hot rocks and
roads. Not as bad as it sounds unless you are in the boonies
like most of the missile range. There are a few scorpions
but I never ran into any even at white sands except in or
around the old abandoned mines.
>
> so there are rock crawling trails for jeeps and atv's? how are the atv
> laws? can you ride on the roads?
Dunno about ATV's on public roads to be honest, they didn't
have ATV's in the late 60's.
There are reasonable recreational rock crawling
trails, but it isn't steady rock like Moab area, more
just bumpy trails where you may need to traverse a
rock bed.
We used to use the military jeeps on weekends
to crawl most of them. All of these jeeps had full roll
cages or were restricted to on-road only.
>
> agreed. we're already making reservations. we're going to check out
> several states first hand before we do anything. great falls is still my
> first choice (well, helena is actually but the pay scale there is lower) but
> im going into this with an open mind. if both of us arent happy, neither
> will be.
>
El Paso will be more expensive, not as bad as Denver or
Phoenix, but well up there. Too many folks with doctorate
degrees in obscure fields living around there. Also it
really is a big town of over 2 million if you include
Juarez.
> "Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
> news:udqcb.574021$uu5.94399@sccrnsc04...
>> http://www.ci.el-paso.tx.us/ and http://www.elpaso.org/
>>
>> Last time I lived in El Paso was 1965
>
> awesome......somehow i _knew_ youd be able to hook me up lon!
>
>> No state, city, county taxes.
>
> does that include sales tax?
There were none when I was there, you'd have to check now.
The only folks I knew there were older than me, and therefore
I'd need a medium to contact them.
>
>
>> It is dry out there
>
> good, im tired of choking on east coast humidity.
I mean "dry*. Plus you get blowing pebbles, not sand.
In the windy areas, the sand blew away millions of
years ago, so you get pea sized pebbles blowing
around at 50 mph or so.
> are kids able to play outside without fear of snakes/scorpions/tarantulas
> and other monsters? are you able to ride off on an atv and camp under the
> stars or do you need to make special provisions to keep from being biten or
> eaten by anything?
The tarantulas seriously are not dangerous. And the snakes
try to avoid people. Plus in the daytime they hide under
rocks and come out at night to warm up on the hot rocks and
roads. Not as bad as it sounds unless you are in the boonies
like most of the missile range. There are a few scorpions
but I never ran into any even at white sands except in or
around the old abandoned mines.
>
> so there are rock crawling trails for jeeps and atv's? how are the atv
> laws? can you ride on the roads?
Dunno about ATV's on public roads to be honest, they didn't
have ATV's in the late 60's.
There are reasonable recreational rock crawling
trails, but it isn't steady rock like Moab area, more
just bumpy trails where you may need to traverse a
rock bed.
We used to use the military jeeps on weekends
to crawl most of them. All of these jeeps had full roll
cages or were restricted to on-road only.
>
> agreed. we're already making reservations. we're going to check out
> several states first hand before we do anything. great falls is still my
> first choice (well, helena is actually but the pay scale there is lower) but
> im going into this with an open mind. if both of us arent happy, neither
> will be.
>
El Paso will be more expensive, not as bad as Denver or
Phoenix, but well up there. Too many folks with doctorate
degrees in obscure fields living around there. Also it
really is a big town of over 2 million if you include
Juarez.
#40
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Re: OT texas help
Approximately 9/24/03 19:17, Tyler Dirden uttered for posterity:
> I don't think anyone has mentioned the intense, brain-baking, will-to-live
> stealing heat.
> td
> (you guys in arizona... pipe down)
Probably because El Paso isn't that hot, and when it is hot
it isn't that humid. Unlike Tucson Az. And I can prove
this since during my time in the area, one of my jobs was
automating meteorological data collection from the lower
range [just outside El Paso] up almost to Albekewkew.
> I don't think anyone has mentioned the intense, brain-baking, will-to-live
> stealing heat.
> td
> (you guys in arizona... pipe down)
Probably because El Paso isn't that hot, and when it is hot
it isn't that humid. Unlike Tucson Az. And I can prove
this since during my time in the area, one of my jobs was
automating meteorological data collection from the lower
range [just outside El Paso] up almost to Albekewkew.