Re: OT: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
The physics is simple.
If the hose is of the proper diameter for the flow rate generated by the pump, then the pressure at the pump will be about equal to the vertical distance (the height) between the pump and the point where the water becomes free-flowing, times a density value of about .45 PSI/ft (which is derived from the weight of a cubic foot of water divided by 144 to convert from square feet to square inches). If you are pumping the water to the top of the barrel and letting it fall, then that would be the height difference between the pump and the top of the barrel. If you are pumping the water into the bottom bung, then you would use the height difference between the pump and the top of the water in the barrel. Therefore, the pump would encounter slightly less pressure if the tank were filled through the bottom bung, at least until it became nearly full. The difference is small enough that it would make only a small change in the amount of time it would take to fill the tank. The fact that there may be several hundred pounds of water in the barrel is immaterial, since pressure is pounds per square inch. You could calculate the pressure at the bottom of the barrel by dividing the weight of the water in the barrel by the area of the barrel head in square inches (assuming straight sides, for a wooden barrel you would have to use an average diameter to get an exact figure). Bartolomeo |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
In article <pmq9q0l4sjckqakm5b9sma5mdlptajk6fp@4ax.com>,
Tom Quackenbush <tquackenbogusinfo@kingcon.com> wrote: > Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the > same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. > > The volume of fluid outside the column doesn't matter. > > Consider this: > > If you submerge yourself one foot under water in your swimming pool, > you're subject to the same pressure as if you were submerged one foot > under water in Lake Superior, even though the volume of Lake Superior > is a gazillion times larger than your swimming pool (gazillion being a > highly technical term used for these sorts of comparisons). > > R, > Tom Q.. > O.K. I get it now. Thanks, I was having trouble with that. The "column" is just a term for vertical distance, not shape. Makes mo-betta sense now! A column, to me as an arteest, is a tall thin object -sometimes convoluted in shape- which supports something. Not the same. Someone, Ed I think, had stated that before, volume didn't matter. I had to go back through the posts and reread them carefully, cause I wasn't understanding, you helped with the big picture. Well, I lost the stoopid argument, but I learned and will humbly accept my berating and move forward. Thanks again. -- Member AAAAAAAA American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
In article <pmq9q0l4sjckqakm5b9sma5mdlptajk6fp@4ax.com>,
Tom Quackenbush <tquackenbogusinfo@kingcon.com> wrote: > Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the > same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. > > The volume of fluid outside the column doesn't matter. > > Consider this: > > If you submerge yourself one foot under water in your swimming pool, > you're subject to the same pressure as if you were submerged one foot > under water in Lake Superior, even though the volume of Lake Superior > is a gazillion times larger than your swimming pool (gazillion being a > highly technical term used for these sorts of comparisons). > > R, > Tom Q.. > O.K. I get it now. Thanks, I was having trouble with that. The "column" is just a term for vertical distance, not shape. Makes mo-betta sense now! A column, to me as an arteest, is a tall thin object -sometimes convoluted in shape- which supports something. Not the same. Someone, Ed I think, had stated that before, volume didn't matter. I had to go back through the posts and reread them carefully, cause I wasn't understanding, you helped with the big picture. Well, I lost the stoopid argument, but I learned and will humbly accept my berating and move forward. Thanks again. -- Member AAAAAAAA American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
In article <pmq9q0l4sjckqakm5b9sma5mdlptajk6fp@4ax.com>,
Tom Quackenbush <tquackenbogusinfo@kingcon.com> wrote: > Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the > same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. > > The volume of fluid outside the column doesn't matter. > > Consider this: > > If you submerge yourself one foot under water in your swimming pool, > you're subject to the same pressure as if you were submerged one foot > under water in Lake Superior, even though the volume of Lake Superior > is a gazillion times larger than your swimming pool (gazillion being a > highly technical term used for these sorts of comparisons). > > R, > Tom Q.. > O.K. I get it now. Thanks, I was having trouble with that. The "column" is just a term for vertical distance, not shape. Makes mo-betta sense now! A column, to me as an arteest, is a tall thin object -sometimes convoluted in shape- which supports something. Not the same. Someone, Ed I think, had stated that before, volume didn't matter. I had to go back through the posts and reread them carefully, cause I wasn't understanding, you helped with the big picture. Well, I lost the stoopid argument, but I learned and will humbly accept my berating and move forward. Thanks again. -- Member AAAAAAAA American Association Against Acronym Abuse And Also Ambiguity. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
> Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the
> same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. Shouldn't it be the area of whatever piston, diaphram, or whatever you're moving the water with, in the pump? The hose is just a weirdly shaped part of the reservior you're pumping water into. --Goedjn |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
> Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the
> same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. Shouldn't it be the area of whatever piston, diaphram, or whatever you're moving the water with, in the pump? The hose is just a weirdly shaped part of the reservior you're pumping water into. --Goedjn |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
> Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the
> same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. Shouldn't it be the area of whatever piston, diaphram, or whatever you're moving the water with, in the pump? The hose is just a weirdly shaped part of the reservior you're pumping water into. --Goedjn |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
Jeepers wrote:
> > In article <pmq9q0l4sjckqakm5b9sma5mdlptajk6fp@4ax.com>, > Tom Quackenbush <tquackenbogusinfo@kingcon.com> wrote: > > > Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the > > same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. > > > > The volume of fluid outside the column doesn't matter. > > > > Consider this: > > > > If you submerge yourself one foot under water in your swimming pool, > > you're subject to the same pressure as if you were submerged one foot > > under water in Lake Superior, even though the volume of Lake Superior > > is a gazillion times larger than your swimming pool (gazillion being a > > highly technical term used for these sorts of comparisons). > > > > R, > > Tom Q.. > > > O.K. I get it now. Thanks, I was having trouble with that. The "column" > is just a term for vertical distance, not shape. Makes mo-betta sense > now! A column, to me as an arteest, is a tall thin object -sometimes > convoluted in shape- which supports something. Not the same. Someone, Ed > I think, had stated that before, volume didn't matter. I had to go back > through the posts and reread them carefully, cause I wasn't > understanding, you helped with the big picture. Well, I lost the stoopid > argument, but I learned and will humbly accept my berating and move > forward. Thanks again. > > -- I had to read carefully too, but remembered the column is the smallest part all the way along, finally.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
Jeepers wrote:
> > In article <pmq9q0l4sjckqakm5b9sma5mdlptajk6fp@4ax.com>, > Tom Quackenbush <tquackenbogusinfo@kingcon.com> wrote: > > > Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the > > same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. > > > > The volume of fluid outside the column doesn't matter. > > > > Consider this: > > > > If you submerge yourself one foot under water in your swimming pool, > > you're subject to the same pressure as if you were submerged one foot > > under water in Lake Superior, even though the volume of Lake Superior > > is a gazillion times larger than your swimming pool (gazillion being a > > highly technical term used for these sorts of comparisons). > > > > R, > > Tom Q.. > > > O.K. I get it now. Thanks, I was having trouble with that. The "column" > is just a term for vertical distance, not shape. Makes mo-betta sense > now! A column, to me as an arteest, is a tall thin object -sometimes > convoluted in shape- which supports something. Not the same. Someone, Ed > I think, had stated that before, volume didn't matter. I had to go back > through the posts and reread them carefully, cause I wasn't > understanding, you helped with the big picture. Well, I lost the stoopid > argument, but I learned and will humbly accept my berating and move > forward. Thanks again. > > -- I had to read carefully too, but remembered the column is the smallest part all the way along, finally.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
Re: Physics/hydraulics of water and barrel
Jeepers wrote:
> > In article <pmq9q0l4sjckqakm5b9sma5mdlptajk6fp@4ax.com>, > Tom Quackenbush <tquackenbogusinfo@kingcon.com> wrote: > > > Nope. When we speak of a column in this context, the column has the > > same area as the hose through which you're pumping fluid. If you > > wanted to know the pressure in pounds per square inch, you'd consider > > an imaginary coulumn with a cross-sectional area of 1 square inch. > > > > The volume of fluid outside the column doesn't matter. > > > > Consider this: > > > > If you submerge yourself one foot under water in your swimming pool, > > you're subject to the same pressure as if you were submerged one foot > > under water in Lake Superior, even though the volume of Lake Superior > > is a gazillion times larger than your swimming pool (gazillion being a > > highly technical term used for these sorts of comparisons). > > > > R, > > Tom Q.. > > > O.K. I get it now. Thanks, I was having trouble with that. The "column" > is just a term for vertical distance, not shape. Makes mo-betta sense > now! A column, to me as an arteest, is a tall thin object -sometimes > convoluted in shape- which supports something. Not the same. Someone, Ed > I think, had stated that before, volume didn't matter. I had to go back > through the posts and reread them carefully, cause I wasn't > understanding, you helped with the big picture. Well, I lost the stoopid > argument, but I learned and will humbly accept my berating and move > forward. Thanks again. > > -- I had to read carefully too, but remembered the column is the smallest part all the way along, finally.... Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's |
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