Will Honea

I'm with you, Mike. Back when I learned to ride the club on the base
had an old beater bike that they used on a skid strip to teach you how
to lay one down. The military would not allow you to ride anywhere on
base until you passed the club test and that laydown was part of it.
I always looked at it as a case of impact is imminent, get something
with give between you and the target. Around the beaches in Puerto
Rico, sand on the road was about as slick as ice so most of us were
glad for the practice since it wasn't if you lay one down, it was
when.

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:07:13 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> -jc wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> > > The last time I rode, I had to lay the bike down twice coming up Yonge
> > > St. in Toronto Canada!
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
> >
> > --
>
>
> You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?
>
> When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.
>
> The second one was close enough that I stopped myself from going under
> him with my foot on his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea

I'm with you, Mike. Back when I learned to ride the club on the base
had an old beater bike that they used on a skid strip to teach you how
to lay one down. The military would not allow you to ride anywhere on
base until you passed the club test and that laydown was part of it.
I always looked at it as a case of impact is imminent, get something
with give between you and the target. Around the beaches in Puerto
Rico, sand on the road was about as slick as ice so most of us were
glad for the practice since it wasn't if you lay one down, it was
when.

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:07:13 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> -jc wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> > > The last time I rode, I had to lay the bike down twice coming up Yonge
> > > St. in Toronto Canada!
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
> >
> > --
>
>
> You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?
>
> When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.
>
> The second one was close enough that I stopped myself from going under
> him with my foot on his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Will Honea

I'm with you, Mike. Back when I learned to ride the club on the base
had an old beater bike that they used on a skid strip to teach you how
to lay one down. The military would not allow you to ride anywhere on
base until you passed the club test and that laydown was part of it.
I always looked at it as a case of impact is imminent, get something
with give between you and the target. Around the beaches in Puerto
Rico, sand on the road was about as slick as ice so most of us were
glad for the practice since it wasn't if you lay one down, it was
when.

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:07:13 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> -jc wrote:
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote
> > > The last time I rode, I had to lay the bike down twice coming up Yonge
> > > St. in Toronto Canada!
> >
> > Not to second guess you Mike, but if you had time to lay it down and avoid
> > the collision, it's highly likely that you had time to brake and maneuver
> > and avoid the crash all together.
> >
> > --
>
>
> You have never driven on wet greasy streets much eh?
>
> When the brakes are locked up and some fool is 10' in front of you, you
> have two choices. Lay the bike down or eat metal.
>
> The second one was close enough that I stopped myself from going under
> him with my foot on his door.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's


--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>

Paul Calman

> The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> of rubber on the ground.

Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a bike
and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more traction
than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
rubber, your "grease".
The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the pavement,
no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
sideways. The physics doesn't work.
In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as possible
as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to go
over the car instead into/under the door.
Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional manual
does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get them
killed.


--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> of rubber on the ground.

Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a bike
and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more traction
than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
rubber, your "grease".
The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the pavement,
no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
sideways. The physics doesn't work.
In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as possible
as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to go
over the car instead into/under the door.
Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional manual
does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get them
killed.


--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> The bike is too small. It has 1.25" wide tires and weighs in around 75
> lb. Flipping it sideways on purpose to have two 4" wide strips of
> rubber and a foot rest digging in is/was a better bet than the 1" width
> of rubber on the ground.

Think about it, Mike. One front wheel carrying 95% of the weight of a bike
and rider, under full braking (not a skid) will still provide more traction
than two wheels in a skid. In a skid the tire actually floats on molten
rubber, your "grease".
The tire provides the same amount of surface area contact with the pavement,
no matter what direction it is pointed in, but can only skid if traveling
sideways. The physics doesn't work.
In a situation like you describe, if I had time to react properly ( other
than saying some magic words) It would be best to brake as hard as possible
as long as possible to lose speed, then stand up before impact to try to go
over the car instead into/under the door.
Nowhere in any motorcycle school, operating manual, or instructional manual
does it recommend "laying down" a bike.
Telling a new rider that it is desirable to crash on purpose could get them
killed.


--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> I gotta run the numbers, but I am filling up twice a week at roughly $35
per

Don't forget Helmet, gloves, boots, riding clothes/suits, rain gear, etc. If
you get a Goldwing, you need other stuff like Microwave, toaster, blender,
sink, etc.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> I gotta run the numbers, but I am filling up twice a week at roughly $35
per

Don't forget Helmet, gloves, boots, riding clothes/suits, rain gear, etc. If
you get a Goldwing, you need other stuff like Microwave, toaster, blender,
sink, etc.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

Paul Calman

> I gotta run the numbers, but I am filling up twice a week at roughly $35
per

Don't forget Helmet, gloves, boots, riding clothes/suits, rain gear, etc. If
you get a Goldwing, you need other stuff like Microwave, toaster, blender,
sink, etc.
--
Paul Calman, Hathaway Pines, California

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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:09:27 -0800, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:

>We own my Jeep, my BMW, my motorhome, and my Wife's minivan. She is not able
>to drive the Jeep because she can't reach the pedals. She is not comfortable
>driving the motorhome because it is 30 feet long and 8+ feet wide. She does
>not like the BMW because it has a manual trans. I am pretty sure the bike
>will never see her on top. She wants to move out of the minivan and get a
>Z3. That's gonna be a shock to her system!
>
>Whipped! Not me, my friend. No sireee. My wife has me believing that all men
>are equal and women are better, but I am NOT whipped.
>

I stand corrected. But even if she doesn't want it make sure you
don't buy the really cool Solo seats. That'd be a snub. And if she's a
little XL like mine, buy a custom touring Two-Up seat instead of the
extra-chrome you really want. But who would want an automatic Z-3 ?

Hope you get your dream,

Andrew