Hey, If they build schools and power stations on fault lines why not an 11
mile tunnel full of Mexican class 8 Macks?


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Billy Ray proclaimed:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
> Ayup. The Vegas oddsmakers are already all lined up to take book on how
> many folks will become instant pizza the next time the San Andreas or
> similar lets go. Even heard they may have a concession selling Jesus
> Juice wine just outside.
>
>

 

Hey, If they build schools and power stations on fault lines why not an 11
mile tunnel full of Mexican class 8 Macks?


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:xs2dne3B0fA_f-reRVn-sw@comcast.com...
> Billy Ray proclaimed:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>
> Ayup. The Vegas oddsmakers are already all lined up to take book on how
> many folks will become instant pizza the next time the San Andreas or
> similar lets go. Even heard they may have a concession selling Jesus
> Juice wine just outside.
>
>

 

No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut
instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be
shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.

The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.





"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
> shortest route to Temecula. ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...

 

No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut
instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be
shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.

The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.





"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4377B041.FAD1234B@***.net...
> That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
> shortest route to Temecula. ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...

 

No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut
instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be
shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.

The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.





"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4377B041.FAD1234B@***.net...
> That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
> shortest route to Temecula. ;-)
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...

 

Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front
property if things go reasonably well ...




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
>> backyard, literally.
>>
>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all
>> of
>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>> gets
>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>> back
>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>> don't
>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>> San
>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>> and
>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
>> mountain range.
>>
>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>> along
>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>> long
>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when
>> it
>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>
>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>> to
>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>> think
>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>> >

 

Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front
property if things go reasonably well ...




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
>> backyard, literally.
>>
>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all
>> of
>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>> gets
>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>> back
>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>> don't
>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>> San
>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>> and
>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
>> mountain range.
>>
>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>> along
>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>> long
>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when
>> it
>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>
>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>> to
>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>> think
>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>> >

 

Yes, I'm up hill -- and inland -- from the fault, and I'll have beach front
property if things go reasonably well ...




"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43777FE2.488B9C77@sympatico.ca...
> So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
> to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
>> backyard, literally.
>>
>> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
>> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
>> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all
>> of
>> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
>> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that
>> gets
>> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
>> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
>> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and
>> back
>> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people
>> don't
>> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in
>> San
>> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
>> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
>> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening
>> and
>> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
>> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
>> mountain range.
>>
>> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15
>> along
>> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very
>> long
>> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when
>> it
>> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
>> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
>> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
>> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>>
>> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem
>> to
>> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I
>> think
>> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
>> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>>
>> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
>> > Bill,
>> >
>> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
>> >

 

Your way, 51 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z=
Plus:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut
> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be
> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.
>
> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.

 

Your way, 51 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
My scenic way, 40.68 plus 17.50 miles:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...nore&2s=CA&2z=
Plus:
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/m...cula&2s=CA&2z=
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> No it doesn't. The road connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. If
> one wants the shortest route from San Clemente to Temecula, the Ortega
> Highway is probably not the best choice. I haven't measured it, but my gut
> instinct is that Hiway 76 through O'side to the I-15 then go north would be
> shorter than the Ortega, but this is beside the point, Captain.
>
> The Ortega connects San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore. Period.