Snow

Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time
off I'll be visiting Long Beach.

Snow...
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
> http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused
> tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have
> no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San
> Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be
> wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?

Snow

Hey, I might be out your way in December, well I'll be in your state, not
sure if I'll be near you or not. If things work out and I can get the time
off I'll be visiting Long Beach.

Snow...
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.75...7153&t=k&hl=en

"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4376A903.FB228AB9@***.net...
> I don't know of it. We have a problematic subway in Los Angeles:
> http://www.urbanrail.net/am/lsan/los-angeles.htm I know of many unused
> tunnels that go though the mountain ranges, one to Palm Springs, I have
> no idea why the dug it. And a bunch of top secret stuff in the San
> Bernardino mountains. A tunnel under the Tejon Pass/Grapevine would be
> wonderful for the trucker. Where'd you find this rumor?
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Billy Ray wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
>> tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?

Mike Romain

So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
> backyard, literally.
>
> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
> mountain range.
>
> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>
> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> > Bill,
> >
> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
> >

Mike Romain

So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
> backyard, literally.
>
> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
> mountain range.
>
> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>
> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> > Bill,
> >
> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
> >

Mike Romain

So if the fault goes big time as ones that don't move often are likely
to do, do you end up with beach frontage? ;-)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I don't know why youa re asking Bill, he doesn't live near it. It's in my
> backyard, literally.
>
> They want to build a tunnel (I'm in favor of it, by the way) through a
> moutain that generally connects I-15 to I-5 from a point between Lake
> Elsinore and Corona to a point in Irvine, or thereabout. (It won't go all of
> the way to I-5, but if you are not in the region, the detail is not very
> useful.) Anyway, there is an existing highway - State Highway 91 - that gets
> something like 250,000 cars per day today, but that number will swell to
> almost 500,000 in 20 years. There is only 1 east-west route for nearly a
> half million people to use to get out of the county every morning and back
> again at night, and this is a two-lane mountain road. If these people don't
> want to use this route, then they have to go 20+ miles to the south in San
> Diego County for the next east-west route (also a two-lane road) or go 40
> miles to the north to get onto Route 91. The plan is to build another
> east-west route, but the enviros object to an overland route (widening and
> improving the existing route, OR building a new route) because there is a
> National Forest in the way, not to mention a very steep east face on the
> mountain range.
>
> There is a fault line, the Elsinore Fault, that runs parallel to I-15 along
> the base of the mountains, and this fault has been inactive for a very long
> time. As with any fault though, I'm not sure they are ever dead, and when it
> decides to be active, there could be problems. I live along this fault,
> within two miles, so I hope it's never active. Technically, the tunnel is
> not through the fault zone, it is adjacent to the fault zone. None of the
> tunnel will be on the fault, but one end will be near it.
>
> So, there are a few options being studied now, the two top options seem to
> be widening the existing route, and building the tunnel. Personally, I think
> both of these need to be done, but there is a serious problem with money.
> Either one of them will cost in the neighborhood of 5 Billion dollars.
>
> "Billy Ray" <Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:e1c7d$4376a2b0$4831b233$17307@FUSE.NET...
> > Bill,
> >
> > What is this I hear about them wanting to build a 11 mile long highway
> > tunnel through a fault zone outside LA?
> >

Stupendous Man

I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El
Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps
with emergency vehicle gates.
Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be
insane
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Stupendous Man

I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El
Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps
with emergency vehicle gates.
Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be
insane
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

Stupendous Man

I would like it if they took one north-south route, run it non-stop from El
Toro to Castaic with an gas stop and ramp at 10, and blocked other all ramps
with emergency vehicle gates.
Even driving thruough LA at off-hours in the carpool lanes is getting to be
insane
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
shortest route to Temecula. ;-)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

That depends on if you're in Clemente and want to drive the
shortest route to Temecula. ;-)
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Technically, that's San Juan Capistrano to Lake Elsinore ...