OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
08-12-2004, 10:28 PM
#281
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
serving their country?
I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
place.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Josh" <SPAMjdunning@cadd-tech.com> wrote in message
> news:zwPSc.3097$FV3.684@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:10hnf8ko5597d01@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
> > > news:fs8lh0phn9cla2jrvrojlr46rddmb5voro@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:21:21 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
> > > > <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > While the choice to serve militarily is an honorable one, it is
just
> > > > >that, a CHOICE.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, it is a responsibility.
> >
> > Actually, in America, it's still a choice.
> >
> >
>
> It's only a choice because that is how you see it. It's a responsibility.
> The choice is to accept or reject the responsibility. Trust me, you would
> have an entirely different view on just how shitty our government is if
you
> stood the wall in defense of it first.
>
>
protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
serving their country?
I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
place.
"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:10hnjthpaf3o258@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Josh" <SPAMjdunning@cadd-tech.com> wrote in message
> news:zwPSc.3097$FV3.684@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
> >
> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:10hnf8ko5597d01@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
> > > news:fs8lh0phn9cla2jrvrojlr46rddmb5voro@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:21:21 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
> > > > <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > While the choice to serve militarily is an honorable one, it is
just
> > > > >that, a CHOICE.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, it is a responsibility.
> >
> > Actually, in America, it's still a choice.
> >
> >
>
> It's only a choice because that is how you see it. It's a responsibility.
> The choice is to accept or reject the responsibility. Trust me, you would
> have an entirely different view on just how shitty our government is if
you
> stood the wall in defense of it first.
>
>
08-12-2004, 11:00 PM
#282
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
Military personal taking advantage of the school plans, probably
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
08-12-2004, 11:00 PM
#283
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
Military personal taking advantage of the school plans, probably
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
08-12-2004, 11:00 PM
#284
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
Military personal taking advantage of the school plans, probably
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
08-12-2004, 11:00 PM
#285
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
Military personal taking advantage of the school plans, probably
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
have paid a disproportionately high taxes from the Greatest Generation,
through Desert Storm. Of course, there were those over educated draft
dodgers communist, that fled our country for yours.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Stack has a good point. Maybe only military personnel should pay taxes, then
> no one but them can say how their taxes are spent.
08-12-2004, 11:07 PM
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
I think you'll find most of the Policemen and Fire Department
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
08-12-2004, 11:07 PM
#287
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
I think you'll find most of the Policemen and Fire Department
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
08-12-2004, 11:07 PM
#288
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
I think you'll find most of the Policemen and Fire Department
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
08-12-2004, 11:07 PM
#289
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
I think you'll find most of the Policemen and Fire Department
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
personnel are Vets. They're already proven they won't cut and run. Well
except, for the ten percent girlies they forced to employ.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
> protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
> domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
> uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
> contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
> serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
> GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
> the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
> to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
> government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
> Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
> who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
> this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
> wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
> of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
> place.
08-13-2004, 12:39 AM
#290
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Re: OT - I just got this in my email and thought I would share
The point is that we, all of us, have a responsibility to serve our
nation, to keep it alive and well. The military, fire, police,
business, teachers are all needed to provide for the nation's welfare.
The military is a special case as it requires youth. Most of us can
serve in the military and then later, in one of the other roles that
you mentioned.
The problem with a "professional military" is the division that is
formed between the military and the population at large. That is not
a good thing. The population is more willing to expend the military
and to think of them as "they" rather than "us."
The draft, which is still in effect (though not active) here in the US
should remind us that serving in the military is not only a
responsibility, but is also a requirement. That the requirement is
not enforced today, does not mean that it doesn't exist.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:28:51 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
>protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
>domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
>uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
>contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
>serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
>GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
>the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
>to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
>government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
>Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
>who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
>this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
>wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
>of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
>place.
>
>"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:10hnjthpaf3o258@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Josh" <SPAMjdunning@cadd-tech.com> wrote in message
>> news:zwPSc.3097$FV3.684@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
>> >
>> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:10hnf8ko5597d01@corp.supernews.com...
>> > >
>> > > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>> > > news:fs8lh0phn9cla2jrvrojlr46rddmb5voro@4ax.com...
>> > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:21:21 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> > > > <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > While the choice to serve militarily is an honorable one, it is
>just
>> > > > >that, a CHOICE.
>> > > >
>> > > > Actually, it is a responsibility.
>> >
>> > Actually, in America, it's still a choice.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It's only a choice because that is how you see it. It's a responsibility.
>> The choice is to accept or reject the responsibility. Trust me, you would
>> have an entirely different view on just how shitty our government is if
>you
>> stood the wall in defense of it first.
>>
>>
>
nation, to keep it alive and well. The military, fire, police,
business, teachers are all needed to provide for the nation's welfare.
The military is a special case as it requires youth. Most of us can
serve in the military and then later, in one of the other roles that
you mentioned.
The problem with a "professional military" is the division that is
formed between the military and the population at large. That is not
a good thing. The population is more willing to expend the military
and to think of them as "they" rather than "us."
The draft, which is still in effect (though not active) here in the US
should remind us that serving in the military is not only a
responsibility, but is also a requirement. That the requirement is
not enforced today, does not mean that it doesn't exist.
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:28:51 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
<matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>Not to impune the enormous sacrifice our soldiers have made, but serving and
>protecting one's country means more than just military service. How about
>domestic police? Firefighters? Those that provide the tools the military
>uses? Those that house, feed, and care for the children of defense
>contractor workers? Those that pay the bills for the military? Are they not
>serving their country?
>
> I notice in your post you implied you stood on the wall in defense of the
>GOVERNMENT, as opposed to our COUNTRY. Do you not see a distinction between
>the two? Would you accept that even though one of the jobs of government is
>to protect the country, often the country needs protection from its
>government, (hence the Bill of Rights, et. al.)?
>
>Of course the vast majority respect and admire those that stand on the wall,
>who put themselves there at the request of their government. That some in
>this country take issue with the *why* and *where* our soldiers are on the
>wall isn't indicative of a lack of appreciation of their sacrifice, but more
>of a difference of opinion from those that put them there in the first
>place.
>
>"CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:10hnjthpaf3o258@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Josh" <SPAMjdunning@cadd-tech.com> wrote in message
>> news:zwPSc.3097$FV3.684@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com ...
>> >
>> > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:10hnf8ko5597d01@corp.supernews.com...
>> > >
>> > > <Matt Osborn> wrote in message
>> > > news:fs8lh0phn9cla2jrvrojlr46rddmb5voro@4ax.com...
>> > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:21:21 -0400, "Matt Macchiarolo"
>> > > > <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > While the choice to serve militarily is an honorable one, it is
>just
>> > > > >that, a CHOICE.
>> > > >
>> > > > Actually, it is a responsibility.
>> >
>> > Actually, in America, it's still a choice.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It's only a choice because that is how you see it. It's a responsibility.
>> The choice is to accept or reject the responsibility. Trust me, you would
>> have an entirely different view on just how shitty our government is if
>you
>> stood the wall in defense of it first.
>>
>>
>