L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Of course, if you knew anything about making horsepower you'd know
a turbo charger causes way too much back pressure and heat to be of any
real value, as compared the a supercharger, which pushes more energy
into the engine, it just costs a little more. A stock '96 Thunderbird:
http://www.----------.com/temp/Supercharged96TBird.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Turbocharging works especially wel on propane burning engines.
>
> Google "Ak Miller". A real American genius, unlike ------.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Of course, if you knew anything about making horsepower you'd know
a turbo charger causes way too much back pressure and heat to be of any
real value, as compared the a supercharger, which pushes more energy
into the engine, it just costs a little more. A stock '96 Thunderbird:
http://www.----------.com/temp/Supercharged96TBird.jpg
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

Bret Ludwig wrote:
>
> Turbocharging works especially wel on propane burning engines.
>
> Google "Ak Miller". A real American genius, unlike ------.

Dave Milne

The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".

Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4350D58B.C08551A1@***.net...
> Of course, if you knew anything about making horsepower you'd know
> a turbo charger causes way too much back pressure and heat to be of any
> real value, as compared the a supercharger, which pushes more energy
> into the engine, it just costs a little more. A stock '96 Thunderbird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/Supercharged96TBird.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Turbocharging works especially wel on propane burning engines.
> >
> > Google "Ak Miller". A real American genius, unlike ------.

Dave Milne

The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".

Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4350D58B.C08551A1@***.net...
> Of course, if you knew anything about making horsepower you'd know
> a turbo charger causes way too much back pressure and heat to be of any
> real value, as compared the a supercharger, which pushes more energy
> into the engine, it just costs a little more. A stock '96 Thunderbird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/Supercharged96TBird.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Turbocharging works especially wel on propane burning engines.
> >
> > Google "Ak Miller". A real American genius, unlike ------.

Dave Milne

The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".

Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.

:-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4350D58B.C08551A1@***.net...
> Of course, if you knew anything about making horsepower you'd know
> a turbo charger causes way too much back pressure and heat to be of any
> real value, as compared the a supercharger, which pushes more energy
> into the engine, it just costs a little more. A stock '96 Thunderbird:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/Supercharged96TBird.jpg
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > Turbocharging works especially wel on propane burning engines.
> >
> > Google "Ak Miller". A real American genius, unlike ------.

Bret Ludwig

Dave Milne wrote:
> The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
> turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
> straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".
>
> Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
> use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.
>

Every over the road truck in the United States today in revenue
service uses turbochargers. Even Gardner and Foden in the UK, eccentric
but beautifully made engines, went to turbos at the end of their
production life. I know of no Fodens stateside but Gardners show up in
doubledeck English buses-lots of them come here, especially to places
like Las Vegas, Wis. Dells, Branson, etc.-occasionally.

------ proves his opacity to reality himself so much better than
anyone else could. Properly designed turbo installations add virtually
no back pressure and some are tuned so that in the RPM range of
interest they actually provide suction rather than pressure. Turbos
derive their energy from the heat drop across the turbine! In WWII,
Rolls Royce were against turbos in aircraft because they felt the
exhaust energy from the stacks provided forward thrust to the airplane
which you lost in a turbo. In a truck or car that energy is dissipated
in the muffler system.

Mechanical superchargers are very inefficient because they use a lot
of crank horsepower. The centrifugal supercharger is the most efficient
but, as you know from Fodens, is bad for roadgoing vehicles because
they make boost in a narrow range. The Roots blower used on the (you
have to admit) more successful Detroit Diesels makes boost linearly but
is mechanically very, very inefficient. That's why screw types are now
used in fuel dragsters. Detroits with turbocharging only use the blower
for starting, it's "unloaded" (bypassed) at speed.

Mack with its Thermodynes were the first production turbocharged road
vehicle.I think they were introduced in 1955 and within ten years every
four cycle linehaul engine in America was turbocharged. DDA took until
the fuel crunch in '73 to get into the act. Of course there never was a
naturally aspirated Series 60.

Outside the US, --- in Germany and IHI were the turbo
manufacturers.(ASEA Brown Boveri never made one that small AFAIK.) The
English never made turbos for vehicles but there were some interesting
things like Jumbo Goddard's turbo 8 liter Bentley.

Bret Ludwig

Dave Milne wrote:
> The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
> turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
> straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".
>
> Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
> use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.
>

Every over the road truck in the United States today in revenue
service uses turbochargers. Even Gardner and Foden in the UK, eccentric
but beautifully made engines, went to turbos at the end of their
production life. I know of no Fodens stateside but Gardners show up in
doubledeck English buses-lots of them come here, especially to places
like Las Vegas, Wis. Dells, Branson, etc.-occasionally.

------ proves his opacity to reality himself so much better than
anyone else could. Properly designed turbo installations add virtually
no back pressure and some are tuned so that in the RPM range of
interest they actually provide suction rather than pressure. Turbos
derive their energy from the heat drop across the turbine! In WWII,
Rolls Royce were against turbos in aircraft because they felt the
exhaust energy from the stacks provided forward thrust to the airplane
which you lost in a turbo. In a truck or car that energy is dissipated
in the muffler system.

Mechanical superchargers are very inefficient because they use a lot
of crank horsepower. The centrifugal supercharger is the most efficient
but, as you know from Fodens, is bad for roadgoing vehicles because
they make boost in a narrow range. The Roots blower used on the (you
have to admit) more successful Detroit Diesels makes boost linearly but
is mechanically very, very inefficient. That's why screw types are now
used in fuel dragsters. Detroits with turbocharging only use the blower
for starting, it's "unloaded" (bypassed) at speed.

Mack with its Thermodynes were the first production turbocharged road
vehicle.I think they were introduced in 1955 and within ten years every
four cycle linehaul engine in America was turbocharged. DDA took until
the fuel crunch in '73 to get into the act. Of course there never was a
naturally aspirated Series 60.

Outside the US, --- in Germany and IHI were the turbo
manufacturers.(ASEA Brown Boveri never made one that small AFAIK.) The
English never made turbos for vehicles but there were some interesting
things like Jumbo Goddard's turbo 8 liter Bentley.

Bret Ludwig

Dave Milne wrote:
> The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
> turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
> straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".
>
> Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
> use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.
>

Every over the road truck in the United States today in revenue
service uses turbochargers. Even Gardner and Foden in the UK, eccentric
but beautifully made engines, went to turbos at the end of their
production life. I know of no Fodens stateside but Gardners show up in
doubledeck English buses-lots of them come here, especially to places
like Las Vegas, Wis. Dells, Branson, etc.-occasionally.

------ proves his opacity to reality himself so much better than
anyone else could. Properly designed turbo installations add virtually
no back pressure and some are tuned so that in the RPM range of
interest they actually provide suction rather than pressure. Turbos
derive their energy from the heat drop across the turbine! In WWII,
Rolls Royce were against turbos in aircraft because they felt the
exhaust energy from the stacks provided forward thrust to the airplane
which you lost in a turbo. In a truck or car that energy is dissipated
in the muffler system.

Mechanical superchargers are very inefficient because they use a lot
of crank horsepower. The centrifugal supercharger is the most efficient
but, as you know from Fodens, is bad for roadgoing vehicles because
they make boost in a narrow range. The Roots blower used on the (you
have to admit) more successful Detroit Diesels makes boost linearly but
is mechanically very, very inefficient. That's why screw types are now
used in fuel dragsters. Detroits with turbocharging only use the blower
for starting, it's "unloaded" (bypassed) at speed.

Mack with its Thermodynes were the first production turbocharged road
vehicle.I think they were introduced in 1955 and within ten years every
four cycle linehaul engine in America was turbocharged. DDA took until
the fuel crunch in '73 to get into the act. Of course there never was a
naturally aspirated Series 60.

Outside the US, --- in Germany and IHI were the turbo
manufacturers.(ASEA Brown Boveri never made one that small AFAIK.) The
English never made turbos for vehicles but there were some interesting
things like Jumbo Goddard's turbo 8 liter Bentley.

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

If you want to win, supercharge the Porsche:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
> turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
> straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".
>
> Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
> use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

If you want to win, supercharge the Porsche:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> The '73 Porsche Can Am racer put out a 1500hp from 5.4 litres thanks to a
> turbo ; this was a car that could drive for more than 4 seconds in a
> straight line. I wouldn't call that "not of any real value".
>
> Of course, Mack don't know anything about making horsepower either as they
> use turbos. Guess they aren't Real Trucks.
>
> :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ