OT - bloody liberals..
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
#42
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Kind of did all that 20 years ago with my 2.2 litre Series 2A Land Rover :-)
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#43
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Kind of did all that 20 years ago with my 2.2 litre Series 2A Land Rover :-)
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#44
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Kind of did all that 20 years ago with my 2.2 litre Series 2A Land Rover :-)
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
Kind of did all that 20 years ago with my 2.2 litre Series 2A Land Rover :-)
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
one
> of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
I
> have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and
I
> have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> adults in city traffic though.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220
g
> > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
with
> an
> > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
in
> > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
Waggy
> > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
get
> in
> > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> proposed
> > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> purchaser
> > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
> the
> > > common pot?
> > >
> > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> > over
> > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > although
> > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> > areas
> > > of heavy snowfall.
> > >
> > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
vehicles
> > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> condition,
> > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
It
> > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
> "a
> > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > >
> > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> passenger.
> > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
> to
> > me
> > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> their
> > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
fuel
> > > tax.
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > >
> > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
> year
> > > to
> > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> higher
> > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
> US
> > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart.
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
If a man is not a socialist by the time he is 20, he has no heart.
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
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If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
If he is not a conservative by the time he is 40, he has no brain.
- Winston Churchill
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
>
> An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each year to
> be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other higher
> emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per US
> gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
>
> --
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
I haven't worked in eleven years, so that is not a major concern for me.
But if you put a turbo or a supercharger on the new Wrangler four cylinder
engine, then it would probably be adequate. I talked to one company that
had been working on a turbo kit for the 4 cylinder TJ, which they abandoned.
They claimed there wasn't enough demand, but things will have changed by the
time you get your next Jeep.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:k08Eg.3646$r61.2421@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> Kind of did all that 20 years ago with my 2.2 litre Series 2A Land Rover
:-)
> I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
> one
> > of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
> I
> > have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years,
and
> I
> > have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> > adults in city traffic though.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> > news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is >
220
> g
> > > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
> with
> > an
> > > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
> in
> > > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
> Waggy
> > > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
> get
> > in
> > > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> > proposed
> > > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> > purchaser
> > > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000
into
> > the
> > > > common pot?
> > > >
> > > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can
see
> > > over
> > > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > > although
> > > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live
in
> > > areas
> > > > of heavy snowfall.
> > > >
> > > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
> vehicles
> > > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of
replacing
> > > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> > condition,
> > > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
> It
> > > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car,
even
> > "a
> > > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > > >
> > > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> > passenger.
> > > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers
next
> > to
> > > me
> > > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> > their
> > > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
> fuel
> > > > tax.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > > >
> > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay
each
> > year
> > > > to
> > > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> > higher
> > > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7
per
> > US
> > > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
But if you put a turbo or a supercharger on the new Wrangler four cylinder
engine, then it would probably be adequate. I talked to one company that
had been working on a turbo kit for the 4 cylinder TJ, which they abandoned.
They claimed there wasn't enough demand, but things will have changed by the
time you get your next Jeep.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:k08Eg.3646$r61.2421@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> Kind of did all that 20 years ago with my 2.2 litre Series 2A Land Rover
:-)
> I want a Jeep I can drive to work in.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dfad3f$0$23713$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is
> one
> > of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe.
> I
> > have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years,
and
> I
> > have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
> > adults in city traffic though.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
> > news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> > > No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is >
220
> g
> > > CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything
> with
> > an
> > > engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me
> in
> > > the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the
> Waggy
> > > and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals
> get
> > in
> > > as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> > > news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > > > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
> > proposed
> > > > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > > > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
> > purchaser
> > > > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000
into
> > the
> > > > common pot?
> > > >
> > > > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can
see
> > > over
> > > > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> > > although
> > > > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live
in
> > > areas
> > > > of heavy snowfall.
> > > >
> > > > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new
> vehicles
> > > > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of
replacing
> > > > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
> > condition,
> > > > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages.
> It
> > > > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car,
even
> > "a
> > > > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> > > >
> > > > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
> > passenger.
> > > > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers
next
> > to
> > > me
> > > > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
> > their
> > > > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the
> fuel
> > > > tax.
> > > >
> > > > Earle
> > > >
> > > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > > > >
> > > > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay
each
> > year
> > > > to
> > > > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
> > higher
> > > > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7
per
> > US
> > > > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>