OT - bloody liberals..
08-13-2006, 07:06 PM
#31
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I
have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I
have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
adults in city traffic though.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
> CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with
an
> engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in
> the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy
> and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get
in
> as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
proposed
> > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
purchaser
> > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
the
> > common pot?
> >
> > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> over
> > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> although
> > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> areas
> > of heavy snowfall.
> >
> > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles
> > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
condition,
> > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It
> > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
"a
> > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> >
> > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
passenger.
> > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
to
> me
> > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
their
> > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel
> > tax.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > >
> > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
year
> > to
> > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
higher
> > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
US
> > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I
have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I
have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
adults in city traffic though.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
> CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with
an
> engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in
> the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy
> and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get
in
> as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
proposed
> > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
purchaser
> > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
the
> > common pot?
> >
> > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> over
> > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> although
> > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> areas
> > of heavy snowfall.
> >
> > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles
> > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
condition,
> > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It
> > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
"a
> > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> >
> > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
passenger.
> > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
to
> me
> > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
their
> > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel
> > tax.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > >
> > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
year
> > to
> > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
higher
> > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
US
> > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-13-2006, 07:06 PM
#32
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Posts: n/a
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I
have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I
have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
adults in city traffic though.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
> CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with
an
> engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in
> the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy
> and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get
in
> as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
proposed
> > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
purchaser
> > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
the
> > common pot?
> >
> > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> over
> > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> although
> > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> areas
> > of heavy snowfall.
> >
> > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles
> > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
condition,
> > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It
> > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
"a
> > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> >
> > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
passenger.
> > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
to
> me
> > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
their
> > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel
> > tax.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > >
> > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
year
> > to
> > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
higher
> > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
US
> > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I
have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I
have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
adults in city traffic though.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
> CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with
an
> engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in
> the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy
> and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get
in
> as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
proposed
> > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
purchaser
> > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
the
> > common pot?
> >
> > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> over
> > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> although
> > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> areas
> > of heavy snowfall.
> >
> > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles
> > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
condition,
> > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It
> > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
"a
> > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> >
> > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
passenger.
> > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
to
> me
> > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
their
> > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel
> > tax.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > >
> > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
year
> > to
> > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
higher
> > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
US
> > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-13-2006, 07:06 PM
#33
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Posts: n/a
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
The four cylinder Wranglers are 2.5 liters, and the new model engine is one
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I
have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I
have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
adults in city traffic though.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
> CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with
an
> engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in
> the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy
> and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get
in
> as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
proposed
> > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
purchaser
> > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
the
> > common pot?
> >
> > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> over
> > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> although
> > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> areas
> > of heavy snowfall.
> >
> > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles
> > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
condition,
> > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It
> > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
"a
> > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> >
> > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
passenger.
> > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
to
> me
> > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
their
> > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel
> > tax.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > >
> > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
year
> > to
> > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
higher
> > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
US
> > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
of those overhead cam things. It might even be clean enough for Europe. I
have had the older overhead valve engine in my 1995 for twelve years, and I
have no complaints. I would not recommend trying to drive it with four
adults in city traffic though.
Earle
"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:BUjDg.2410$r61.93@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk. ..
> No, it doesn't mention 4x4s ; it is everything in band G (which is > 220 g
> CO / km). The Wrangler is about 330. In practice it means everything with
an
> engine size of > ~ 2.5 litres which means all 4x4s. Fortunately for me in
> the short term, it only would apply to new cars so I get to keep the Waggy
> and the TJ (just better take really good care of them if the liberals get
in
> as I wouldn't be able to replace them with a new vehicle.
>
> Dave
>
> "Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:44dca41a$0$23764$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> > The article cited doesn't mention 4x4 vehicles. It says that the
proposed
> > tax targets luxury vehicles such as the BMW 7 Series and Bentley
> > Continentals, and would apply to new vehicles only. Surely, the
purchaser
> > of a Bentley Continental could afford to put an additional £2000 into
the
> > common pot?
> >
> > When I was in Spain they told me that people buy SUVs "so they can see
> over
> > the traffic in the cities". That agrees with my experience there,
> although
> > there must be some who use them on farms and orchards, or who live in
> areas
> > of heavy snowfall.
> >
> > A proponent of the bill denies that placing a hefty tax on new vehicles
> > would drive consumers to "retain dilapidated cars instead of replacing
> > them". Retaining dilipated cars, and restoring them to running
condition,
> > is another way to help the environment and alleviate fuel shortages. It
> > takes a lot of raw materials and energy to manufacture a new car, even
"a
> > car which is consistent with their environmental obligations".
> >
> > I like the idea of taxing airlines per flight, rather than per
passenger.
> > One time I was on a trans-Atlantic flight, and the two passengers next
to
> me
> > didn't show up. I enjoyed their wine, and stretched out to sleep on
their
> > seats. I suppose I should have been made to pay their share of the fuel
> > tax.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:sUVCg.1865$r61.1570@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4992676.stm
> > >
> > > An opposition party is planning a road tax ( the price you pay each
year
> > to
> > > be able to drive your car) of £2000 (or $3800) for 4x4s and other
higher
> > > emissions vehicles. We already pay petrol prices of just over $7 per
US
> > > gallon, and the current road tax is £190.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
08-14-2006, 04:51 PM
#38
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
08-14-2006, 04:51 PM
#39
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Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
08-14-2006, 04:51 PM
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT - bloody liberals..
"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle
news:6KSdnWkxXtN9S33ZnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@ez2.net...
> Doesn't a bloody liberal see the wrong of his ways, and become a
> conservative?
>
A "bloody conservative", is what he often becomes. But some individuals
take the opposite course. William Gladstone started out rather
conservatively, and went on to become one of England's most famous bloody
liberals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
Earle