L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Under full power the full weight of the vehicle is transferred to
the rear axle, that's why there are no front wheel drive race cars,
except in there own little Japanese sponsored categories. We can see
these cars don't even need a front axle:
http://www.nhra.com/2003/gallery/tf/...me=Larry_Dixon and:
http://www.atving.com/atvconnection/...jeepup.jpg.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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thomas wrote:
>
> OK, someone please enlighten this newbie: why is it that the Dana 44
> axle upgrade is only in the rear? Or, put another way, what is it about
> the rear axle that justifies the upgrade there first? It would seem to
> me that on a 4WD vehicle with an even 50/50 front/rear weight
> distribution and the same size tires on both axles, that both axles
> would benefit from the upgrade...naturally I understand that in 2WD mode
> the wrangler is rear wheel drive, but... well, you get my drift.
>
> Just curious

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Under full power the full weight of the vehicle is transferred to
the rear axle, that's why there are no front wheel drive race cars,
except in there own little Japanese sponsored categories. We can see
these cars don't even need a front axle:
http://www.nhra.com/2003/gallery/tf/...me=Larry_Dixon and:
http://www.atving.com/atvconnection/...jeepup.jpg.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

thomas wrote:
>
> OK, someone please enlighten this newbie: why is it that the Dana 44
> axle upgrade is only in the rear? Or, put another way, what is it about
> the rear axle that justifies the upgrade there first? It would seem to
> me that on a 4WD vehicle with an even 50/50 front/rear weight
> distribution and the same size tires on both axles, that both axles
> would benefit from the upgrade...naturally I understand that in 2WD mode
> the wrangler is rear wheel drive, but... well, you get my drift.
>
> Just curious

Valued User

Yeah - I got suckered into the RT/S'. I was replacing my AT's and was going
to be doing a lot of cross-country driving on medical rotations and he
suggested the RT/S' because they were supposed to be a little quieter.

They were quieter, I guess. I never noticed. Hard to when you're driving
around a boxy XJ with the full time 4WD engaged all the time.

-Raman

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20031205204446366-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> On 05 Dec 2003 08:02 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> > Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.
> >
> > They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a
> > different cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're
> > chunky and are aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).
> >
> > According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
> > confirm?
>
> IIRC, they will fit but might rub offroad without modification, which
> can range anywhere from additional washers under the steering stops (
> limiting turn radius) to a simple coil spring spacer lift.
>
> > How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my
> > XJ was a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The
> > stock wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.
>
> I've never used BFGATs but a buddy of mine has a set and likes them a
> lot. I'm a bit of a Goodyear snob having formerly been a dealer but I
> will say that the RT/S is a piece of garbage. I never stocked them,
> although I would occasionally order one as a replacement for somebody
> who ruined one out of their set. In my opinion, it was designed as a
> cheaper tire they could sell to the OEMs, and they certainly didn't hold
> up worth a damn in rural Alaskan conditions. The RT/S actually hurt our
> business because it was more difficult to sell a customer a set of the
> higher end Goodyear tires with the lousy experience with their OEM
> wrangler RT/S, Wranger AP, or whatever fresh in their mind.
>
> I may catch some flak here for saying this, but I believe the GY
> Wrangler AT is the best "all around" light truck tire ever made, and it
> was really annoying when it was discontinued, it being our best selling
> tire at the time. It rode well, was quiet on the highway, did
> acceptably well for mild offroading, gave decent winter traction and in
> the heavier ply ratings, was damn near invulnerable to ordinary road
> hazards. I have personally seen several cases where the carcass stopped
> nails from penetrating. The nail would go in until it hit the steel
> belts and stop right there, while the rest would be a mangled mess.
> About the only thing that would kill them short of normal wear, was
> sharp rocks at high speed and underinflation.
>
> Now a lot of readers here will poo-poo the Wrangler AT for its mediocre
> performance in serious offroad use, but the fact remains that it wasn't
> designed for serious offroaders and we are at best, a fringe group. 8^)
> Which is why they designed the MT/R...
>
> I don't have the operational experience with the MT/R that I do with
> some of the other Goodyear tires since I got out of the tire business
> shortly after buying my set, and only sold one or two other sets. But
> based on 28,000 miles of experience with them in some pretty nasty
> conditions I would put them up against anything on the market. What is
> most amazing to me, is that for as well as they do offroad, how well
> they perform on the road too. There is a little bit of a hum but that
> is it as far as noise goes.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Valued User

Yeah - I got suckered into the RT/S'. I was replacing my AT's and was going
to be doing a lot of cross-country driving on medical rotations and he
suggested the RT/S' because they were supposed to be a little quieter.

They were quieter, I guess. I never noticed. Hard to when you're driving
around a boxy XJ with the full time 4WD engaged all the time.

-Raman

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20031205204446366-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> On 05 Dec 2003 08:02 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> > Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.
> >
> > They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a
> > different cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're
> > chunky and are aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).
> >
> > According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
> > confirm?
>
> IIRC, they will fit but might rub offroad without modification, which
> can range anywhere from additional washers under the steering stops (
> limiting turn radius) to a simple coil spring spacer lift.
>
> > How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my
> > XJ was a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The
> > stock wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.
>
> I've never used BFGATs but a buddy of mine has a set and likes them a
> lot. I'm a bit of a Goodyear snob having formerly been a dealer but I
> will say that the RT/S is a piece of garbage. I never stocked them,
> although I would occasionally order one as a replacement for somebody
> who ruined one out of their set. In my opinion, it was designed as a
> cheaper tire they could sell to the OEMs, and they certainly didn't hold
> up worth a damn in rural Alaskan conditions. The RT/S actually hurt our
> business because it was more difficult to sell a customer a set of the
> higher end Goodyear tires with the lousy experience with their OEM
> wrangler RT/S, Wranger AP, or whatever fresh in their mind.
>
> I may catch some flak here for saying this, but I believe the GY
> Wrangler AT is the best "all around" light truck tire ever made, and it
> was really annoying when it was discontinued, it being our best selling
> tire at the time. It rode well, was quiet on the highway, did
> acceptably well for mild offroading, gave decent winter traction and in
> the heavier ply ratings, was damn near invulnerable to ordinary road
> hazards. I have personally seen several cases where the carcass stopped
> nails from penetrating. The nail would go in until it hit the steel
> belts and stop right there, while the rest would be a mangled mess.
> About the only thing that would kill them short of normal wear, was
> sharp rocks at high speed and underinflation.
>
> Now a lot of readers here will poo-poo the Wrangler AT for its mediocre
> performance in serious offroad use, but the fact remains that it wasn't
> designed for serious offroaders and we are at best, a fringe group. 8^)
> Which is why they designed the MT/R...
>
> I don't have the operational experience with the MT/R that I do with
> some of the other Goodyear tires since I got out of the tire business
> shortly after buying my set, and only sold one or two other sets. But
> based on 28,000 miles of experience with them in some pretty nasty
> conditions I would put them up against anything on the market. What is
> most amazing to me, is that for as well as they do offroad, how well
> they perform on the road too. There is a little bit of a hum but that
> is it as far as noise goes.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Valued User

Yeah - I got suckered into the RT/S'. I was replacing my AT's and was going
to be doing a lot of cross-country driving on medical rotations and he
suggested the RT/S' because they were supposed to be a little quieter.

They were quieter, I guess. I never noticed. Hard to when you're driving
around a boxy XJ with the full time 4WD engaged all the time.

-Raman

"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
news:20031205204446366-0900@news.newsguy.com...
> On 05 Dec 2003 08:02 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> > Yeah, I'm opting for the stock tiny bicycle tires on the 15x7 rims.
> >
> > They're exactly the same ones as on my 96 xj except they have a
> > different cap - i have BFG AT's (forget which size) but they're
> > chunky and are aiiight in the mud (no lift, though).
> >
> > According to t looks like i can put 31" MTR's on a 15x7 rim - anyone
> > confirm?
>
> IIRC, they will fit but might rub offroad without modification, which
> can range anywhere from additional washers under the steering stops (
> limiting turn radius) to a simple coil spring spacer lift.
>
> > How do these compare to BFGAT's? The last time I had goodyears on my
> > XJ was a set of wrangler rt/s' which were not too great off road. The
> > stock wrangler AT's were better but a little smaller.
>
> I've never used BFGATs but a buddy of mine has a set and likes them a
> lot. I'm a bit of a Goodyear snob having formerly been a dealer but I
> will say that the RT/S is a piece of garbage. I never stocked them,
> although I would occasionally order one as a replacement for somebody
> who ruined one out of their set. In my opinion, it was designed as a
> cheaper tire they could sell to the OEMs, and they certainly didn't hold
> up worth a damn in rural Alaskan conditions. The RT/S actually hurt our
> business because it was more difficult to sell a customer a set of the
> higher end Goodyear tires with the lousy experience with their OEM
> wrangler RT/S, Wranger AP, or whatever fresh in their mind.
>
> I may catch some flak here for saying this, but I believe the GY
> Wrangler AT is the best "all around" light truck tire ever made, and it
> was really annoying when it was discontinued, it being our best selling
> tire at the time. It rode well, was quiet on the highway, did
> acceptably well for mild offroading, gave decent winter traction and in
> the heavier ply ratings, was damn near invulnerable to ordinary road
> hazards. I have personally seen several cases where the carcass stopped
> nails from penetrating. The nail would go in until it hit the steel
> belts and stop right there, while the rest would be a mangled mess.
> About the only thing that would kill them short of normal wear, was
> sharp rocks at high speed and underinflation.
>
> Now a lot of readers here will poo-poo the Wrangler AT for its mediocre
> performance in serious offroad use, but the fact remains that it wasn't
> designed for serious offroaders and we are at best, a fringe group. 8^)
> Which is why they designed the MT/R...
>
> I don't have the operational experience with the MT/R that I do with
> some of the other Goodyear tires since I got out of the tire business
> shortly after buying my set, and only sold one or two other sets. But
> based on 28,000 miles of experience with them in some pretty nasty
> conditions I would put them up against anything on the market. What is
> most amazing to me, is that for as well as they do offroad, how well
> they perform on the road too. There is a little bit of a hum but that
> is it as far as noise goes.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Valued User

Yeah, I think I drive about 5 miles to the park-n-ride and then 5 miles back
home, daily. Weekends are usually spent driving on pavement or on
camping/driving on trails depending on the weather. I expect to join my
local 4x4 group (houston) when I get my TJ in a few weeks so me and the g/f
can take our XJ and TJ and learn how to have a little more fun with stock
equipment.

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031206093650.25517.00002632@mb-m15.aol.com...
> In article <nLlAb.27814$Bk1.27043@fed1read05>, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@mecox.net> writes:
>
> >> MTR's are very good offroad. They do wear a bit faster.
> >
> >But not enough to worry about. My MT/Rs seem to be wearing very slowly,
> >more slowly than I thought they would. Their sidewall strength and
offroad
> >traction on the rocks is nothing shy of outstanding.
> >
> >Jerry
>
> Agreed. Tire wear is probably only an issue for a daily driver with long
> commutes. I put my 31" MTR's on my Cherokee, which has since been sold
because
> it didn't see a lot of use :-(
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Valued User

Yeah, I think I drive about 5 miles to the park-n-ride and then 5 miles back
home, daily. Weekends are usually spent driving on pavement or on
camping/driving on trails depending on the weather. I expect to join my
local 4x4 group (houston) when I get my TJ in a few weeks so me and the g/f
can take our XJ and TJ and learn how to have a little more fun with stock
equipment.

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031206093650.25517.00002632@mb-m15.aol.com...
> In article <nLlAb.27814$Bk1.27043@fed1read05>, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@mecox.net> writes:
>
> >> MTR's are very good offroad. They do wear a bit faster.
> >
> >But not enough to worry about. My MT/Rs seem to be wearing very slowly,
> >more slowly than I thought they would. Their sidewall strength and
offroad
> >traction on the rocks is nothing shy of outstanding.
> >
> >Jerry
>
> Agreed. Tire wear is probably only an issue for a daily driver with long
> commutes. I put my 31" MTR's on my Cherokee, which has since been sold
because
> it didn't see a lot of use :-(
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Valued User

Yeah, I think I drive about 5 miles to the park-n-ride and then 5 miles back
home, daily. Weekends are usually spent driving on pavement or on
camping/driving on trails depending on the weather. I expect to join my
local 4x4 group (houston) when I get my TJ in a few weeks so me and the g/f
can take our XJ and TJ and learn how to have a little more fun with stock
equipment.

"Matt Macchiarolo" <mlmacchia@aol.comspambgon> wrote in message
news:20031206093650.25517.00002632@mb-m15.aol.com...
> In article <nLlAb.27814$Bk1.27043@fed1read05>, "Jerry Bransford"
> <jerrypb@mecox.net> writes:
>
> >> MTR's are very good offroad. They do wear a bit faster.
> >
> >But not enough to worry about. My MT/Rs seem to be wearing very slowly,
> >more slowly than I thought they would. Their sidewall strength and
offroad
> >traction on the rocks is nothing shy of outstanding.
> >
> >Jerry
>
> Agreed. Tire wear is probably only an issue for a daily driver with long
> commutes. I put my 31" MTR's on my Cherokee, which has since been sold
because
> it didn't see a lot of use :-(
> * * *
> Matt Macchiarolo
> www.townpeddler.com
> www.wolverine4wd.org
> http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
>
>
>
>

Valued User

I have a alright stereo system in my XJ and do not turn it loud until I'm
away from houses. I hate when people drive thru suburbs with their stereos
cranked up.

I plan on upgrading the speakers and moving my 6" bazooka from my XJ to my
TJ when I get it depending on what the stock system sounds like. Lately I'm
listening to AM/Talk/News/Financial radio more while driving my 5 miles
to/from the bus station so it's not that big an issue right now.

<COLLIDE13@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19770-3FD1B17F-1@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I have the sound pkg.It is HOOPTIE and laud but good on the highway.It
drowns out most noise but be kind to your neighbors.-Hank.

Valued User

I have a alright stereo system in my XJ and do not turn it loud until I'm
away from houses. I hate when people drive thru suburbs with their stereos
cranked up.

I plan on upgrading the speakers and moving my 6" bazooka from my XJ to my
TJ when I get it depending on what the stock system sounds like. Lately I'm
listening to AM/Talk/News/Financial radio more while driving my 5 miles
to/from the bus station so it's not that big an issue right now.

<COLLIDE13@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19770-3FD1B17F-1@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net...
I have the sound pkg.It is HOOPTIE and laud but good on the highway.It
drowns out most noise but be kind to your neighbors.-Hank.