Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
12-07-2003, 12:15 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Excellent.
>
> Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> into trouble off road or in the snow.
>
> In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> stop.
That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
snow.
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> Excellent.
>
> Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> into trouble off road or in the snow.
>
> In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> stop.
That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
snow.
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12-07-2003, 12:15 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Excellent.
>
> Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> into trouble off road or in the snow.
>
> In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> stop.
That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
snow.
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> Excellent.
>
> Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> into trouble off road or in the snow.
>
> In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> stop.
That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
snow.
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12-07-2003, 12:15 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Excellent.
>
> Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> into trouble off road or in the snow.
>
> In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> stop.
That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
snow.
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> Excellent.
>
> Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> into trouble off road or in the snow.
>
> In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> stop.
That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
snow.
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12-07-2003, 12:16 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
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> No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
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12-07-2003, 12:16 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
----------------------------------------------------
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> No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
----------------------------------------------------
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12-07-2003, 12:16 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:
> No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
----------------------------------------------------
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> No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
----------------------------------------------------
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12-07-2003, 11:44 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On or about 7 Dec 2003, Del Rawlins of del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers....:
> On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> > into trouble off road or in the snow.
> >
> > In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> > of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> > stop.
>
> That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
> snow.
Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the
Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly
decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes
locked.
Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the
curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.
> On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> > into trouble off road or in the snow.
> >
> > In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> > of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> > stop.
>
> That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
> snow.
Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the
Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly
decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes
locked.
Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the
curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.
12-07-2003, 11:44 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On or about 7 Dec 2003, Del Rawlins of del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers....:
> On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> > into trouble off road or in the snow.
> >
> > In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> > of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> > stop.
>
> That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
> snow.
Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the
Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly
decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes
locked.
Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the
curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.
> On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> > into trouble off road or in the snow.
> >
> > In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> > of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> > stop.
>
> That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
> snow.
Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the
Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly
decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes
locked.
Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the
curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.
12-07-2003, 11:44 AM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On or about 7 Dec 2003, Del Rawlins of del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers....:
> On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> > into trouble off road or in the snow.
> >
> > In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> > of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> > stop.
>
> That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
> snow.
Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the
Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly
decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes
locked.
Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the
curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.
> On 06 Dec 2003 01:25 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Just learn/remember where the fuse is for the ABS. ABS can get you
> > into trouble off road or in the snow.
> >
> > In both cases you 'want' the front tires to lock up. That makes a dam
> > of dirt or snow in front of the tire that helps tons slowing down to a
> > stop.
>
> That may be true for dirt, but it runs counter to my experience in the
> snow.
Yep. Demonstrated that for myself in the snow two nights ago in the
Cherokee. I was turning the corner onto the street where I live, stupidly
decided to take a little more speed off my 3mph crawl and the front brakes
locked.
Locked front wheels don't steer. Luckily I did stop a few feet from the
curb, but I should have been more careful, even that close to home.
12-07-2003, 06:41 PM
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
I'm not ordering from an internet dealer, however I did check out the prices
at Edmunds.com and another dealer that is internet to compare what type of
deal I was getting. Mind you, when I purchased my XJ in 96 up in NJ NO Jeep
dealer gave "deals" - what was on the sticker is what they sold them at
minus any mfr incentives. I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that
they "deal" down here in Houston.
I went to Jeep.com and built a jeep to my liking. You can then send the Jeep
you built to some local dealers. I sent it to about 5 (4 local, 1 40 miles
away which is actually closer timewise because Houston traffic sucks). They
emailed me back their prices. Well, a few of them did. Most of them said "we
don't have the White that you're looking for and totally disregarded the
fact that I went thru the trouble of stating White, Dual Top, and ABS and
told me to look at their inventory which they probably don't realize is
accessible from the Jeep website.
One thing I've learned is that some of these sales people absolutely don't
know how to read email and don't care what the customer wants and just try
and get you into the dealership and give you high pressure tatics. I stayed
away from those guys.
The place I ended up ordering from was a local dealer that responded to my
emails. I dealt with a "Fleet" salesman - at this dealership they also
handle Internet sales/inquiries. Absolutely the most unpushiest, honest, and
friendliest guys I've done business with in terms of car sales so far. He
gave me the best (lowest) deal over email (including 3 free oil changes). He
also ensured me that I wouldn't lose the rebate and that if the price were
to change for the worse I was in no way obligated to buy [since we have a
signed contract for a certain price].
-R
"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
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> On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:
>
> > No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> > that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> > bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> > their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> > so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
>
> If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
>
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at Edmunds.com and another dealer that is internet to compare what type of
deal I was getting. Mind you, when I purchased my XJ in 96 up in NJ NO Jeep
dealer gave "deals" - what was on the sticker is what they sold them at
minus any mfr incentives. I was pleasantly surprised when I realized that
they "deal" down here in Houston.
I went to Jeep.com and built a jeep to my liking. You can then send the Jeep
you built to some local dealers. I sent it to about 5 (4 local, 1 40 miles
away which is actually closer timewise because Houston traffic sucks). They
emailed me back their prices. Well, a few of them did. Most of them said "we
don't have the White that you're looking for and totally disregarded the
fact that I went thru the trouble of stating White, Dual Top, and ABS and
told me to look at their inventory which they probably don't realize is
accessible from the Jeep website.
One thing I've learned is that some of these sales people absolutely don't
know how to read email and don't care what the customer wants and just try
and get you into the dealership and give you high pressure tatics. I stayed
away from those guys.
The place I ended up ordering from was a local dealer that responded to my
emails. I dealt with a "Fleet" salesman - at this dealership they also
handle Internet sales/inquiries. Absolutely the most unpushiest, honest, and
friendliest guys I've done business with in terms of car sales so far. He
gave me the best (lowest) deal over email (including 3 free oil changes). He
also ensured me that I wouldn't lose the rebate and that if the price were
to change for the worse I was in no way obligated to buy [since we have a
signed contract for a certain price].
-R
"Del Rawlins" <del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote in message
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> On 06 Dec 2003 01:14 PM, Valued User posted the following:
>
> > No pushy tatics to sell me undercoating or anything - I later learned
> > that the internet sales guys are in fleet sales. G/F that worked at a
> > bank says fleet guys aren't as pressured as regular sales and that
> > their commissions aren't the same as regular salespeople on the floor
> > so they'll come out with a good price off the bat.
>
> If you don't mind my asking, which internet dealer are you ordering from?
>
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