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Actually, they all ENDED off the road :-)
1 Jeep :-(
1 Ford wagon
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Yup, all of them in a Jeep, one for five endos.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "never had an accident on a public road"
> > All my accidents took place off the road (technically).
1 Jeep :-(
1 Ford wagon
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Yup, all of them in a Jeep, one for five endos.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "never had an accident on a public road"
> > All my accidents took place off the road (technically).
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Actually, they all ENDED off the road :-)
1 Jeep :-(
1 Ford wagon
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Yup, all of them in a Jeep, one for five endos.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "never had an accident on a public road"
> > All my accidents took place off the road (technically).
1 Jeep :-(
1 Ford wagon
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FD94144.E3D5F8BE@***.net...
> Yup, all of them in a Jeep, one for five endos.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "never had an accident on a public road"
> > All my accidents took place off the road (technically).
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Don't know what they called it, but the MJ had both proportioners -
one up front as usual then the second one that modulated the rear end.
The only time I ever really climbed on the brakes that hard on dry
pavement was one of those OH ----! situations where some clown in a
ricer decided it was his time to go no matter what was coming. Now,
I'm no puny weaklings, but I never did get a full lock on either end
at 50 mph. The BFG ATs were essentially still brand new and you could
just see the tracks they left. Traffic was pretty heavy and
fortunately the 2 guys behind me had slowed to turn off so that I had
room but I stopped a lot shorter than I figured on and even with the
extra space I still almost had a little Ford hitching a ride on my
rear bumper. I didn't get out to look (getting dark and lots of
traffic), but I would swear I saw evidence of all 4 wheels making
marks. I did stop in a straight line, so there is that to say for it.
Not that it's germane to the topic, but I always feel like the MJ
could use another inch or so on the brake hardware all the way around
;-(.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:02 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
>
> I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
> combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
>
> This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
> It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
>
> If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
> stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
> least track straight, even if you can't steer.
>
> Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
> is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
> for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
> steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
> use engine braking.
>
> If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
> by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
>
> Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
> public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
> learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
> lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
>
> That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
> They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It was called: "Sure Track":
> > http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > > 'feature'.
> > >
> > > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> > >
> > > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > > radial tires.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
one up front as usual then the second one that modulated the rear end.
The only time I ever really climbed on the brakes that hard on dry
pavement was one of those OH ----! situations where some clown in a
ricer decided it was his time to go no matter what was coming. Now,
I'm no puny weaklings, but I never did get a full lock on either end
at 50 mph. The BFG ATs were essentially still brand new and you could
just see the tracks they left. Traffic was pretty heavy and
fortunately the 2 guys behind me had slowed to turn off so that I had
room but I stopped a lot shorter than I figured on and even with the
extra space I still almost had a little Ford hitching a ride on my
rear bumper. I didn't get out to look (getting dark and lots of
traffic), but I would swear I saw evidence of all 4 wheels making
marks. I did stop in a straight line, so there is that to say for it.
Not that it's germane to the topic, but I always feel like the MJ
could use another inch or so on the brake hardware all the way around
;-(.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:02 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
>
> I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
> combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
>
> This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
> It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
>
> If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
> stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
> least track straight, even if you can't steer.
>
> Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
> is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
> for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
> steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
> use engine braking.
>
> If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
> by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
>
> Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
> public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
> learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
> lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
>
> That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
> They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It was called: "Sure Track":
> > http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > > 'feature'.
> > >
> > > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> > >
> > > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > > radial tires.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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Don't know what they called it, but the MJ had both proportioners -
one up front as usual then the second one that modulated the rear end.
The only time I ever really climbed on the brakes that hard on dry
pavement was one of those OH ----! situations where some clown in a
ricer decided it was his time to go no matter what was coming. Now,
I'm no puny weaklings, but I never did get a full lock on either end
at 50 mph. The BFG ATs were essentially still brand new and you could
just see the tracks they left. Traffic was pretty heavy and
fortunately the 2 guys behind me had slowed to turn off so that I had
room but I stopped a lot shorter than I figured on and even with the
extra space I still almost had a little Ford hitching a ride on my
rear bumper. I didn't get out to look (getting dark and lots of
traffic), but I would swear I saw evidence of all 4 wheels making
marks. I did stop in a straight line, so there is that to say for it.
Not that it's germane to the topic, but I always feel like the MJ
could use another inch or so on the brake hardware all the way around
;-(.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:02 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
>
> I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
> combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
>
> This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
> It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
>
> If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
> stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
> least track straight, even if you can't steer.
>
> Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
> is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
> for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
> steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
> use engine braking.
>
> If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
> by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
>
> Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
> public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
> learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
> lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
>
> That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
> They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It was called: "Sure Track":
> > http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > > 'feature'.
> > >
> > > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> > >
> > > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > > radial tires.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
one up front as usual then the second one that modulated the rear end.
The only time I ever really climbed on the brakes that hard on dry
pavement was one of those OH ----! situations where some clown in a
ricer decided it was his time to go no matter what was coming. Now,
I'm no puny weaklings, but I never did get a full lock on either end
at 50 mph. The BFG ATs were essentially still brand new and you could
just see the tracks they left. Traffic was pretty heavy and
fortunately the 2 guys behind me had slowed to turn off so that I had
room but I stopped a lot shorter than I figured on and even with the
extra space I still almost had a little Ford hitching a ride on my
rear bumper. I didn't get out to look (getting dark and lots of
traffic), but I would swear I saw evidence of all 4 wheels making
marks. I did stop in a straight line, so there is that to say for it.
Not that it's germane to the topic, but I always feel like the MJ
could use another inch or so on the brake hardware all the way around
;-(.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:02 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
>
> I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
> combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
>
> This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
> It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
>
> If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
> stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
> least track straight, even if you can't steer.
>
> Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
> is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
> for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
> steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
> use engine braking.
>
> If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
> by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
>
> Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
> public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
> learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
> lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
>
> That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
> They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It was called: "Sure Track":
> > http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > > 'feature'.
> > >
> > > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> > >
> > > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > > radial tires.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Don't know what they called it, but the MJ had both proportioners -
one up front as usual then the second one that modulated the rear end.
The only time I ever really climbed on the brakes that hard on dry
pavement was one of those OH ----! situations where some clown in a
ricer decided it was his time to go no matter what was coming. Now,
I'm no puny weaklings, but I never did get a full lock on either end
at 50 mph. The BFG ATs were essentially still brand new and you could
just see the tracks they left. Traffic was pretty heavy and
fortunately the 2 guys behind me had slowed to turn off so that I had
room but I stopped a lot shorter than I figured on and even with the
extra space I still almost had a little Ford hitching a ride on my
rear bumper. I didn't get out to look (getting dark and lots of
traffic), but I would swear I saw evidence of all 4 wheels making
marks. I did stop in a straight line, so there is that to say for it.
Not that it's germane to the topic, but I always feel like the MJ
could use another inch or so on the brake hardware all the way around
;-(.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:02 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
>
> I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
> combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
>
> This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
> It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
>
> If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
> stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
> least track straight, even if you can't steer.
>
> Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
> is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
> for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
> steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
> use engine braking.
>
> If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
> by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
>
> Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
> public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
> learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
> lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
>
> That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
> They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It was called: "Sure Track":
> > http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > > 'feature'.
> > >
> > > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> > >
> > > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > > radial tires.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
one up front as usual then the second one that modulated the rear end.
The only time I ever really climbed on the brakes that hard on dry
pavement was one of those OH ----! situations where some clown in a
ricer decided it was his time to go no matter what was coming. Now,
I'm no puny weaklings, but I never did get a full lock on either end
at 50 mph. The BFG ATs were essentially still brand new and you could
just see the tracks they left. Traffic was pretty heavy and
fortunately the 2 guys behind me had slowed to turn off so that I had
room but I stopped a lot shorter than I figured on and even with the
extra space I still almost had a little Ford hitching a ride on my
rear bumper. I didn't get out to look (getting dark and lots of
traffic), but I would swear I saw evidence of all 4 wheels making
marks. I did stop in a straight line, so there is that to say for it.
Not that it's germane to the topic, but I always feel like the MJ
could use another inch or so on the brake hardware all the way around
;-(.
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:02 UTC Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
>
> I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
> combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
>
> This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
> It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
>
> If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
> stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
> least track straight, even if you can't steer.
>
> Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
> is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
> for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
> steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
> use engine braking.
>
> If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
> by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
>
> Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
> public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
> learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
> lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
>
> That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
> They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
>
> Mike
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It was called: "Sure Track":
> > http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > >
> > > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > > 'feature'.
> > >
> > > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> > >
> > > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > > radial tires.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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In article <3FDA3CDD.C5F23A34@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>http://----------.com/jeepabs.jpg
That's the old Bendix system with the accumulator, that are not used on Jeep
vehicles anymore.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>http://----------.com/jeepabs.jpg
That's the old Bendix system with the accumulator, that are not used on Jeep
vehicles anymore.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <3FDA3CDD.C5F23A34@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>http://----------.com/jeepabs.jpg
That's the old Bendix system with the accumulator, that are not used on Jeep
vehicles anymore.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>http://----------.com/jeepabs.jpg
That's the old Bendix system with the accumulator, that are not used on Jeep
vehicles anymore.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <3FDA3CDD.C5F23A34@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>http://----------.com/jeepabs.jpg
That's the old Bendix system with the accumulator, that are not used on Jeep
vehicles anymore.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
>http://----------.com/jeepabs.jpg
That's the old Bendix system with the accumulator, that are not used on Jeep
vehicles anymore.
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <3FDA2AAC.8898F4A3@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
> And I'll stand by what I wrote. It is a simple mechanical pump,
>with a separate storage tank that sends fluid at full pressure to each
>wheel, when that wheel's speed sensor triggers it, and not to the wheels
>or axle that is spinning at less revolutions, spend some time and figure
>out how it would work.
First I have to spend some time trying to make sense of what you wrote....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
> And I'll stand by what I wrote. It is a simple mechanical pump,
>with a separate storage tank that sends fluid at full pressure to each
>wheel, when that wheel's speed sensor triggers it, and not to the wheels
>or axle that is spinning at less revolutions, spend some time and figure
>out how it would work.
First I have to spend some time trying to make sense of what you wrote....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
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In article <3FDA2AAC.8898F4A3@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
III <----------@***.net> writes:
> And I'll stand by what I wrote. It is a simple mechanical pump,
>with a separate storage tank that sends fluid at full pressure to each
>wheel, when that wheel's speed sensor triggers it, and not to the wheels
>or axle that is spinning at less revolutions, spend some time and figure
>out how it would work.
First I have to spend some time trying to make sense of what you wrote....
* * *
Matt Macchiarolo
www.townpeddler.com
www.wolverine4wd.org
http://wolverine4wd.org/rigs/macchiarolo_ml.html
III <----------@***.net> writes:
> And I'll stand by what I wrote. It is a simple mechanical pump,
>with a separate storage tank that sends fluid at full pressure to each
>wheel, when that wheel's speed sensor triggers it, and not to the wheels
>or axle that is spinning at less revolutions, spend some time and figure
>out how it would work.
First I have to spend some time trying to make sense of what you wrote....
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Matt Macchiarolo
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www.wolverine4wd.org
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