Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
least track straight, even if you can't steer.
Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
use engine braking.
If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It was called: "Sure Track":
> http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > 'feature'.
> >
> > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> >
> > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > radial tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
least track straight, even if you can't steer.
Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
use engine braking.
If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It was called: "Sure Track":
> http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > 'feature'.
> >
> > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> >
> > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > radial tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#342
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
least track straight, even if you can't steer.
Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
use engine braking.
If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It was called: "Sure Track":
> http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > 'feature'.
> >
> > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> >
> > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > radial tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
least track straight, even if you can't steer.
Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
use engine braking.
If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It was called: "Sure Track":
> http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > 'feature'.
> >
> > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> >
> > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > radial tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#343
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
So 'sure track' was the first generation of an 'ABS' system I guess.
I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
least track straight, even if you can't steer.
Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
use engine braking.
If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It was called: "Sure Track":
> http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > 'feature'.
> >
> > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> >
> > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > radial tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I still was more talking about the proportioning valve part of the
combination switch where the front/rear pressure balance occurs.
This proportioning valve is a dynamic balancer between front to rear.
It varies according to how much pressure the pedal is sending.
If you are slowing down slowly, the pressure is close to equal. Panic
stop it and the rears won't get enough pressure to lock up so you at
least track straight, even if you can't steer.
Which goes back to what I first said. In a panic stop situation, there
is usually no place to steer to, so full bore on the brake pedal is best
for 'most' people. Lock up the front brakes. If you have time to
steer, then likely you have time to threshold brake the front wheels and
use engine braking.
If you have never practiced threshold braking, you 'will' hit something
by trying to not lock up the front brakes.
Telling folks to never lock the brakes up isn't a good thing to do in a
public forum. Better to tell them to go to a braking or skid school and
learn how to skid and brake properly or at least hit up an empty parking
lot and try to wipe out and see just where you lose control.
That is one reason I always mention on our newsgroup winter snow runs.
They are great for folks new to Jeeps to learn how they handle.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It was called: "Sure Track":
> http://www.----------.com/sureTrack.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > They did advertise it as rear anti lock brakes back in the 70's. I
> > remember it very clearly when my Dad bought a new Wagon with that
> > 'feature'.
> >
> > That acronym 'ABS' didn't exist then from what I remember.
> >
> > Same for 'RTS' or radial tuned suspension made 'especially' for the new
> > radial tires.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> lock brakes.
>
> It serves no other purpose.
Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
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> The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> lock brakes.
>
> It serves no other purpose.
Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
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On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> lock brakes.
>
> It serves no other purpose.
Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
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> The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> lock brakes.
>
> It serves no other purpose.
Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> lock brakes.
>
> It serves no other purpose.
Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
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> The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> lock brakes.
>
> It serves no other purpose.
Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> > lock brakes.
> >
> > It serves no other purpose.
>
> Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
>
It was designed way back and is a purely mechanical valve.
It relies on how hard you are pushing down on the brake pedal. Push
gentle for a slow stop and the pressure from to back is close to even.
Mash the brake pedal down and the front only gets enough pressure to
lock up, the rears stay turning right up to the last second of the stop
where you might get a chirp out of them.
This was all new ---- when I worked in garages in the 60's and 70's.
They did have fancy stuff before electronics eh. Like the mechanical
multi port fuel injection systems Volvo and VW used. No electronics
needed. They even still had breaker points.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> > lock brakes.
> >
> > It serves no other purpose.
>
> Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
>
It was designed way back and is a purely mechanical valve.
It relies on how hard you are pushing down on the brake pedal. Push
gentle for a slow stop and the pressure from to back is close to even.
Mash the brake pedal down and the front only gets enough pressure to
lock up, the rears stay turning right up to the last second of the stop
where you might get a chirp out of them.
This was all new ---- when I worked in garages in the 60's and 70's.
They did have fancy stuff before electronics eh. Like the mechanical
multi port fuel injection systems Volvo and VW used. No electronics
needed. They even still had breaker points.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#348
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> > lock brakes.
> >
> > It serves no other purpose.
>
> Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
>
It was designed way back and is a purely mechanical valve.
It relies on how hard you are pushing down on the brake pedal. Push
gentle for a slow stop and the pressure from to back is close to even.
Mash the brake pedal down and the front only gets enough pressure to
lock up, the rears stay turning right up to the last second of the stop
where you might get a chirp out of them.
This was all new ---- when I worked in garages in the 60's and 70's.
They did have fancy stuff before electronics eh. Like the mechanical
multi port fuel injection systems Volvo and VW used. No electronics
needed. They even still had breaker points.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> > lock brakes.
> >
> > It serves no other purpose.
>
> Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
>
It was designed way back and is a purely mechanical valve.
It relies on how hard you are pushing down on the brake pedal. Push
gentle for a slow stop and the pressure from to back is close to even.
Mash the brake pedal down and the front only gets enough pressure to
lock up, the rears stay turning right up to the last second of the stop
where you might get a chirp out of them.
This was all new ---- when I worked in garages in the 60's and 70's.
They did have fancy stuff before electronics eh. Like the mechanical
multi port fuel injection systems Volvo and VW used. No electronics
needed. They even still had breaker points.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#349
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> > lock brakes.
> >
> > It serves no other purpose.
>
> Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
>
It was designed way back and is a purely mechanical valve.
It relies on how hard you are pushing down on the brake pedal. Push
gentle for a slow stop and the pressure from to back is close to even.
Mash the brake pedal down and the front only gets enough pressure to
lock up, the rears stay turning right up to the last second of the stop
where you might get a chirp out of them.
This was all new ---- when I worked in garages in the 60's and 70's.
They did have fancy stuff before electronics eh. Like the mechanical
multi port fuel injection systems Volvo and VW used. No electronics
needed. They even still had breaker points.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On 12 Dec 2003 11:59 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > The 'only' reason for the proportioning valve is to provide rear anti
> > lock brakes.
> >
> > It serves no other purpose.
>
> Where do the wires for the wheel speed sensors plug in? 8^)
>
It was designed way back and is a purely mechanical valve.
It relies on how hard you are pushing down on the brake pedal. Push
gentle for a slow stop and the pressure from to back is close to even.
Mash the brake pedal down and the front only gets enough pressure to
lock up, the rears stay turning right up to the last second of the stop
where you might get a chirp out of them.
This was all new ---- when I worked in garages in the 60's and 70's.
They did have fancy stuff before electronics eh. Like the mechanical
multi port fuel injection systems Volvo and VW used. No electronics
needed. They even still had breaker points.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#350
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Actually, they all ENDED off the road :-)
1 Jeep :-(
1 Ford wagon
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Yup, all of them in a Jeep, one for five endos.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "never had an accident on a public road"
> > All my accidents took place off the road (technically).
1 Jeep :-(
1 Ford wagon
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FD94144.E3D5F8BE@***.net...
> Yup, all of them in a Jeep, one for five endos.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > "never had an accident on a public road"
> > All my accidents took place off the road (technically).