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Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 11 Dec 2003 08:09 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > Are all antilock systems the same?
> >
> > They are all very similar in the way they control brake pressure, but
> > some sytems are designed to prevent only the rear wheels from locking
> > up. These rear-wheel-only systems are found on pickups and sport-
> > utility vehicles. Rear-wheel ABS keeps your vehicle from spinning out
> > of control,
>
> Except you weren't talking about ABS, you claimed that Jeeps had ABS
> since the 70s which is not true. What you were referring to is the
> proportioning valve which determines how much fluid is sent to the front
> and rear brakes. Just because it has the effect of making the rear
> brakes more difficult to lock doesn't make it an ABS system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear so
you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure was
advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
From my CJ maintenance manual:
Quote:
The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure during
hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels don't lock
up.
End quote.
My Cherokee maintenance manual says virtually the same thing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On 11 Dec 2003 08:09 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > Are all antilock systems the same?
> >
> > They are all very similar in the way they control brake pressure, but
> > some sytems are designed to prevent only the rear wheels from locking
> > up. These rear-wheel-only systems are found on pickups and sport-
> > utility vehicles. Rear-wheel ABS keeps your vehicle from spinning out
> > of control,
>
> Except you weren't talking about ABS, you claimed that Jeeps had ABS
> since the 70s which is not true. What you were referring to is the
> proportioning valve which determines how much fluid is sent to the front
> and rear brakes. Just because it has the effect of making the rear
> brakes more difficult to lock doesn't make it an ABS system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear so
you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure was
advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
From my CJ maintenance manual:
Quote:
The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure during
hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels don't lock
up.
End quote.
My Cherokee maintenance manual says virtually the same thing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 11 Dec 2003 08:09 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > Are all antilock systems the same?
> >
> > They are all very similar in the way they control brake pressure, but
> > some sytems are designed to prevent only the rear wheels from locking
> > up. These rear-wheel-only systems are found on pickups and sport-
> > utility vehicles. Rear-wheel ABS keeps your vehicle from spinning out
> > of control,
>
> Except you weren't talking about ABS, you claimed that Jeeps had ABS
> since the 70s which is not true. What you were referring to is the
> proportioning valve which determines how much fluid is sent to the front
> and rear brakes. Just because it has the effect of making the rear
> brakes more difficult to lock doesn't make it an ABS system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear so
you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure was
advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
From my CJ maintenance manual:
Quote:
The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure during
hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels don't lock
up.
End quote.
My Cherokee maintenance manual says virtually the same thing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On 11 Dec 2003 08:09 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > Are all antilock systems the same?
> >
> > They are all very similar in the way they control brake pressure, but
> > some sytems are designed to prevent only the rear wheels from locking
> > up. These rear-wheel-only systems are found on pickups and sport-
> > utility vehicles. Rear-wheel ABS keeps your vehicle from spinning out
> > of control,
>
> Except you weren't talking about ABS, you claimed that Jeeps had ABS
> since the 70s which is not true. What you were referring to is the
> proportioning valve which determines how much fluid is sent to the front
> and rear brakes. Just because it has the effect of making the rear
> brakes more difficult to lock doesn't make it an ABS system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear so
you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure was
advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
From my CJ maintenance manual:
Quote:
The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure during
hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels don't lock
up.
End quote.
My Cherokee maintenance manual says virtually the same thing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 11 Dec 2003 08:09 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > Are all antilock systems the same?
> >
> > They are all very similar in the way they control brake pressure, but
> > some sytems are designed to prevent only the rear wheels from locking
> > up. These rear-wheel-only systems are found on pickups and sport-
> > utility vehicles. Rear-wheel ABS keeps your vehicle from spinning out
> > of control,
>
> Except you weren't talking about ABS, you claimed that Jeeps had ABS
> since the 70s which is not true. What you were referring to is the
> proportioning valve which determines how much fluid is sent to the front
> and rear brakes. Just because it has the effect of making the rear
> brakes more difficult to lock doesn't make it an ABS system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear so
you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure was
advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
From my CJ maintenance manual:
Quote:
The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure during
hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels don't lock
up.
End quote.
My Cherokee maintenance manual says virtually the same thing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On 11 Dec 2003 08:09 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > Are all antilock systems the same?
> >
> > They are all very similar in the way they control brake pressure, but
> > some sytems are designed to prevent only the rear wheels from locking
> > up. These rear-wheel-only systems are found on pickups and sport-
> > utility vehicles. Rear-wheel ABS keeps your vehicle from spinning out
> > of control,
>
> Except you weren't talking about ABS, you claimed that Jeeps had ABS
> since the 70s which is not true. What you were referring to is the
> proportioning valve which determines how much fluid is sent to the front
> and rear brakes. Just because it has the effect of making the rear
> brakes more difficult to lock doesn't make it an ABS system.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear so
you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure was
advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
From my CJ maintenance manual:
Quote:
The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure during
hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels don't lock
up.
End quote.
My Cherokee maintenance manual says virtually the same thing.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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On 12 Dec 2003 09:03 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
> 'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear
> so you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
>
> On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure
> was advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
>
> From my CJ maintenance manual:
>
> Quote:
>
> The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure
> during hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels
> don't lock up.
>
> End quote.
Now we are just arguing semantics. An ABS system is an active system
which can change how it modulates the pressure on the fly. You can call
your proportioning valve ABS but that doesn't make it so, even if it
helps accomplish the same purpose. FWIW, I don't see the term Anti Lock
Brakes in your quote.
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> Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
> 'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear
> so you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
>
> On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure
> was advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
>
> From my CJ maintenance manual:
>
> Quote:
>
> The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure
> during hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels
> don't lock up.
>
> End quote.
Now we are just arguing semantics. An ABS system is an active system
which can change how it modulates the pressure on the fly. You can call
your proportioning valve ABS but that doesn't make it so, even if it
helps accomplish the same purpose. FWIW, I don't see the term Anti Lock
Brakes in your quote.
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 12 Dec 2003 09:03 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
> 'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear
> so you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
>
> On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure
> was advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
>
> From my CJ maintenance manual:
>
> Quote:
>
> The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure
> during hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels
> don't lock up.
>
> End quote.
Now we are just arguing semantics. An ABS system is an active system
which can change how it modulates the pressure on the fly. You can call
your proportioning valve ABS but that doesn't make it so, even if it
helps accomplish the same purpose. FWIW, I don't see the term Anti Lock
Brakes in your quote.
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> Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
> 'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear
> so you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
>
> On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure
> was advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
>
> From my CJ maintenance manual:
>
> Quote:
>
> The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure
> during hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels
> don't lock up.
>
> End quote.
Now we are just arguing semantics. An ABS system is an active system
which can change how it modulates the pressure on the fly. You can call
your proportioning valve ABS but that doesn't make it so, even if it
helps accomplish the same purpose. FWIW, I don't see the term Anti Lock
Brakes in your quote.
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
On 12 Dec 2003 09:03 AM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
> 'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear
> so you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
>
> On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure
> was advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
>
> From my CJ maintenance manual:
>
> Quote:
>
> The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure
> during hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels
> don't lock up.
>
> End quote.
Now we are just arguing semantics. An ABS system is an active system
which can change how it modulates the pressure on the fly. You can call
your proportioning valve ABS but that doesn't make it so, even if it
helps accomplish the same purpose. FWIW, I don't see the term Anti Lock
Brakes in your quote.
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> Believe whatever 'you' want. The reason they started putting a
> 'combination' proportioning valve in was to give you ABS in the rear
> so you can stop fast without locking up the rear wheels.
>
> On Jeep 'wrangler' style vehicles, this was in 1974 and it for sure
> was advertised as rear anti-lock brakes.
>
> From my CJ maintenance manual:
>
> Quote:
>
> The proportioner section provides balanced front-to-rear pressure
> during hard braking, reducing the rear line pressure so the wheels
> don't lock up.
>
> End quote.
Now we are just arguing semantics. An ABS system is an active system
which can change how it modulates the pressure on the fly. You can call
your proportioning valve ABS but that doesn't make it so, even if it
helps accomplish the same purpose. FWIW, I don't see the term Anti Lock
Brakes in your quote.
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Roughly 12/11/03 20:16, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:
> You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
>> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
>> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
>> on a bumper sticker now.
>>
>> --
>> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
> You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
>> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
>> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
>> on a bumper sticker now.
>>
>> --
>> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
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Roughly 12/11/03 20:16, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:
> You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
>> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
>> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
>> on a bumper sticker now.
>>
>> --
>> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
> You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
>> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
>> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
>> on a bumper sticker now.
>>
>> --
>> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
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Re: Order Jeep -> Lose Rebate??
Roughly 12/11/03 20:16, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:
> You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
>> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
>> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
>> on a bumper sticker now.
>>
>> --
>> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
> You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
>> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
>> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
>>
>> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
>> on a bumper sticker now.
>>
>> --
>> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
--
Fan of the dumbest team in America.
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"Try upping the Gingko doseage"
Doesn't RedBull help with that too?
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
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> Roughly 12/11/03 20:16, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> > lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> > hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> > off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> > you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> > to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
>
> Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
> but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
> Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
>
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
> >> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
> >> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
> >>
> >> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
> >> on a bumper sticker now.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>
Doesn't RedBull help with that too?
"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:YhpCb.322764$Dw6.1094068@attbi_s02...
> Roughly 12/11/03 20:16, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:
>
> > You said "ABS doesn't release the brakes" How else do you think it
> > lets stop wheel to begin to spin again? And the pulsating vibration you
> > hear, is the pump re-pressurizing the accumulator as it is being bleed
> > off, via any or all of your wheel cylinders, to release them, telling
> > you the pressure you're are applying to the peddle is not being directed
> > to any wheel, and that you are about to blow that stop sign.
>
> Flunked reading comprehension, huh Bill? I'll stand by what I said,
> but your twisted interpretation of it would be funny if not so sad.
> Try upping the Gingko doseage.
>
>
> >
> > Lon Stowell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> That would be a broken ABS. ABS doesn't release the brakes, it
> >> pulses them off and then right back on fast. Easily
> >> demonstrated by simply reading the owners manual or a FSM.
> >>
> >> Ah yes, the old fart theory of safe driving. I think you can get it
> >> on a bumper sticker now.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>
>
> --
> Fan of the dumbest team in America.
>
