Roughly 12/9/03 19:57, Mike Romain's monkeys randomly typed:

> Lots of 'if's' in there eh.

You're a Newfie? Never would have guessed.
>
> I raced when I was young so likely have an advantage over most drivers
> when it comes to braking. 4 wheel drifts around corners was one of my
> specialties....

Is actually the slowest way around most corners, but a helluva lot
of fun. I raced for a dealer that had one rule: Win the damn
race or be leading the thing when you trash the car.

To this day, I still can't enjoy sports car racing footage unless
I hang myself upside down with hot oil dripping on my head.

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Roughly 12/9/03 19:57, Mike Romain's monkeys randomly typed:

> Lots of 'if's' in there eh.

You're a Newfie? Never would have guessed.
>
> I raced when I was young so likely have an advantage over most drivers
> when it comes to braking. 4 wheel drifts around corners was one of my
> specialties....

Is actually the slowest way around most corners, but a helluva lot
of fun. I raced for a dealer that had one rule: Win the damn
race or be leading the thing when you trash the car.

To this day, I still can't enjoy sports car racing footage unless
I hang myself upside down with hot oil dripping on my head.

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Roughly 12/9/03 21:42, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.

In other words, the test was scientifically sound as it changed
just one variable, but wasn't conducted to your personal prejudices?


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Roughly 12/9/03 21:42, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.

In other words, the test was scientifically sound as it changed
just one variable, but wasn't conducted to your personal prejudices?


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Roughly 12/9/03 21:42, L.W.(ßill) ------ III's monkeys randomly typed:

> That test has a big time flaw, it uses the same vehicle and simply
> disconnects the ABS for the comparison tests, completely destroying the
> fine tuning engineering, about the same thing as disconnect the power
> brakes and saying that's the way regular brakes perform, if you think
> they do than turn off your engine and coat down a hill.

In other words, the test was scientifically sound as it changed
just one variable, but wasn't conducted to your personal prejudices?


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Roughly 12/9/03 23:19, Will Honea's monkeys randomly typed:

> Lon, ABS (or anti-skid) was in use on A/C a long time before cars got
> it, mainly because at high speeds a blown tire was the problem that
> was gonna kill you fastest. The rule of thumb used when I was
> instructing was that you wanted a 10% rolling skid. In other words,
> the tire was not rotating at a speed to match the ground but a little
> slower. The way you judged success was that if the marks you left
> were the same color brown as your drawers, you did good, if they were
> black you were in trouble.

I are aware of that. The engagement of the ABS on a DC-8 was
a rather noisy event pretty much guaranteed to run up the
cleaning bills for every passenger not familiar with the sheer
horrid noise involved.
>
> With the extreme high pressure in those jet tires (180-200 PSI dry
> nitrogen) the last place you wanted AS was on a rain soaked runway -
> any hydroplaning with it on was akin to having no brakes at all.

I always liked the DC-8's taxiing around OHare in the freezing
slush myself. Of course the aircraft running off the end of
the runway at Minneapolis and splashing slush/snow all over the
nose, then setting there waiting to be towed to the gate was
even more fun.


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Roughly 12/9/03 23:19, Will Honea's monkeys randomly typed:

> Lon, ABS (or anti-skid) was in use on A/C a long time before cars got
> it, mainly because at high speeds a blown tire was the problem that
> was gonna kill you fastest. The rule of thumb used when I was
> instructing was that you wanted a 10% rolling skid. In other words,
> the tire was not rotating at a speed to match the ground but a little
> slower. The way you judged success was that if the marks you left
> were the same color brown as your drawers, you did good, if they were
> black you were in trouble.

I are aware of that. The engagement of the ABS on a DC-8 was
a rather noisy event pretty much guaranteed to run up the
cleaning bills for every passenger not familiar with the sheer
horrid noise involved.
>
> With the extreme high pressure in those jet tires (180-200 PSI dry
> nitrogen) the last place you wanted AS was on a rain soaked runway -
> any hydroplaning with it on was akin to having no brakes at all.

I always liked the DC-8's taxiing around OHare in the freezing
slush myself. Of course the aircraft running off the end of
the runway at Minneapolis and splashing slush/snow all over the
nose, then setting there waiting to be towed to the gate was
even more fun.


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Roughly 12/9/03 23:19, Will Honea's monkeys randomly typed:

> Lon, ABS (or anti-skid) was in use on A/C a long time before cars got
> it, mainly because at high speeds a blown tire was the problem that
> was gonna kill you fastest. The rule of thumb used when I was
> instructing was that you wanted a 10% rolling skid. In other words,
> the tire was not rotating at a speed to match the ground but a little
> slower. The way you judged success was that if the marks you left
> were the same color brown as your drawers, you did good, if they were
> black you were in trouble.

I are aware of that. The engagement of the ABS on a DC-8 was
a rather noisy event pretty much guaranteed to run up the
cleaning bills for every passenger not familiar with the sheer
horrid noise involved.
>
> With the extreme high pressure in those jet tires (180-200 PSI dry
> nitrogen) the last place you wanted AS was on a rain soaked runway -
> any hydroplaning with it on was akin to having no brakes at all.

I always liked the DC-8's taxiing around OHare in the freezing
slush myself. Of course the aircraft running off the end of
the runway at Minneapolis and splashing slush/snow all over the
nose, then setting there waiting to be towed to the gate was
even more fun.


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Fan of the dumbest team in America.

 

Roughly 12/10/03 05:16, Matt Macchiarolo's monkeys randomly typed:

> In article <3FD682CC.90815E85@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
>> I suggest you were not going fast enough to worry about not having
>>brakes as the thirty percent more fatal off road crashes found out when
>>inertial threw them from the road when the ABS released.
>
> when their foot released the pedal when the ABS kicked in and startled them.

The claim from testing wasn't that the noise startled the driver
as much as the excessive wheel turn rates per second scared them
enough to back off the brakes rather than the darn wheel.

Admittedly the ABS on a ZJ is a bit noisier than I'm used to on
more modest vehicles. But highly effective.

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Roughly 12/10/03 05:16, Matt Macchiarolo's monkeys randomly typed:

> In article <3FD682CC.90815E85@***.net>, L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) ------
> III <----------@***.net> writes:
>
>> I suggest you were not going fast enough to worry about not having
>>brakes as the thirty percent more fatal off road crashes found out when
>>inertial threw them from the road when the ABS released.
>
> when their foot released the pedal when the ABS kicked in and startled them.

The claim from testing wasn't that the noise startled the driver
as much as the excessive wheel turn rates per second scared them
enough to back off the brakes rather than the darn wheel.

Admittedly the ABS on a ZJ is a bit noisier than I'm used to on
more modest vehicles. But highly effective.

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Fan of the dumbest team in America.