one of the best things about usenet is the people themselves and the
interface, if you want someone to smile at you while they bend you over the
counter....go see the local jeep dealer. If you want to learn....listen up
on this board, even tho some are gruff and uncouth (or maybe even rude) at
times, they will tell you the truth. Oh and if you make a stupid statement
or two...you'll read about it. I appreciate that these guys take the time
to answer questions...and I am not a newby at this so they could really
question why I was being such a dumbass. Look for the pearls in the oysters
of crap...they are really there.

Sean
99TJ
04 Hemi Ram
and 2 new 04 Polaris quads


"Ufatbasted" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bdab55d6.0410251045.68d91943@posting.google.c om...
> I agree the dude is way wrong.
> Since Ivd owned my YJ project I browse these groups for answers to
> problems I may have. Bill and Mike Romain are two folks I "listen" too
> if I have a problem. Just ignore any opinions some may have and glean
> the knowledge you are looking for from those who know.
>
> Just rememeber opinions are like ******** everyones got one and yer
> feel much better about things
>
>
> "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
news:<De7fd.3882$rs5.280118@news20.bellglobal.com> ...
> > Dude you are soooooooooooo wrong its sad. As a new J**P owner you
should
> > learn to listen to those who had been there, done that. and Bill
certainly
> > has given his unpublished age :).
> > I know that if I were broken down on the side of the road and Bill's
"real
> > J**P" could ever make it this far (north and east of his current warm
> > climate) I know he would certainly not only offer assistance but most
likely
> > would have a link, picture or comical one liner sitting on his laptop
(real
> > jeeps are allowed to be equipped with laptops aren't they Bill?).
> >
> > Perhaps you should flyair outta here for a bit, calm down, slam back a
> > couple lucky lagers (canadian beer for those of yous south of the
boarder)
> > rethink your published attack on one of the news groups finest and
return in
> > a more peaceful manor. I know one day you will have a major problem
and
> > you will be thankful this group has people like Bill, Mike R, Sandman
(when
> > he's around) and others who post helpful info on a regular basis.
> >
> > I for one would miss Bills gruff, no nonsense get down to business
attitude,
> > hell if he decided to run for public office he would have my vote.
Bill
> > may I suggest you run for PM of our lil country up here :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > <flyairam@juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:d35fa1c.0410241003.635c2011@posting.google.co m...
> > > As a new Jeep owner, I searched for a newsgroup that could contribute
> > > advice, talent, and humor to my new hobby.
> > > rec.autos.makers.jeep+****** is a great site for just that.
> > >
> > > The problem is this: there is a person, while incredibly talented and
> > > knowledgable, regularly flames honest folks who mean no harm.
> > >
> > > I spent a few short minutes cutting and pasting different flames from
> > > this person, attached below (only one was addressed to me). It's not
> > > that I have a thin skin, but is this type of thing representative of
> > > Jeepers-at-large? I hope not.
> > >
> > > Enjoying the advice without the bigotry would be really great.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > > =================
> > > You ask us not to flame you, then you tell us the biggest f**kin'
> > > lie I have ever heard. I guess a plug could cause preignition if it
> > > were
> > > the wrong spark plug, with a way too hot heat range! Total Bullsh*t! I
> > > hope you got the right heat range this time, like if it's too cold,
> > > it'll misfire, washing the oil from your cylinders, diluting your oil,
> > > destroying what's left of your engine.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ==========================
> > > Go back to school little girlie boy, you don't' want to be stupid all
> > > your life.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ===========================
> > > Maybe, a grownup will let you open
> > > their barbecue bottle, enough for you to prove the high school
> > > experiment. Wear gloves and eye protection.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > =========================
> > > Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ========================
> > > God, you are stupid. Really, really stupid, most people are just
> > > ignorant, when they don't know what they're talking about, but you're
> > > not capable of learning, dangerously stupid!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ======================
> > > Geez, learn to snip!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ====================
> > > <ROTFLMAO>
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ===============
> > > OK, troll, you want to lift an independent suspension:
> > > http://----------.com/cherokee/05cherokee1front.jpg Well, you could
> > > swap
> > > the axles out of your TJ to get something like this:
> > > http://www.----------.com/libbySaxle.jpg
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ================

 

one of the best things about usenet is the people themselves and the
interface, if you want someone to smile at you while they bend you over the
counter....go see the local jeep dealer. If you want to learn....listen up
on this board, even tho some are gruff and uncouth (or maybe even rude) at
times, they will tell you the truth. Oh and if you make a stupid statement
or two...you'll read about it. I appreciate that these guys take the time
to answer questions...and I am not a newby at this so they could really
question why I was being such a dumbass. Look for the pearls in the oysters
of crap...they are really there.

Sean
99TJ
04 Hemi Ram
and 2 new 04 Polaris quads


"Ufatbasted" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bdab55d6.0410251045.68d91943@posting.google.c om...
> I agree the dude is way wrong.
> Since Ivd owned my YJ project I browse these groups for answers to
> problems I may have. Bill and Mike Romain are two folks I "listen" too
> if I have a problem. Just ignore any opinions some may have and glean
> the knowledge you are looking for from those who know.
>
> Just rememeber opinions are like ******** everyones got one and yer
> feel much better about things
>
>
> "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
news:<De7fd.3882$rs5.280118@news20.bellglobal.com> ...
> > Dude you are soooooooooooo wrong its sad. As a new J**P owner you
should
> > learn to listen to those who had been there, done that. and Bill
certainly
> > has given his unpublished age :).
> > I know that if I were broken down on the side of the road and Bill's
"real
> > J**P" could ever make it this far (north and east of his current warm
> > climate) I know he would certainly not only offer assistance but most
likely
> > would have a link, picture or comical one liner sitting on his laptop
(real
> > jeeps are allowed to be equipped with laptops aren't they Bill?).
> >
> > Perhaps you should flyair outta here for a bit, calm down, slam back a
> > couple lucky lagers (canadian beer for those of yous south of the
boarder)
> > rethink your published attack on one of the news groups finest and
return in
> > a more peaceful manor. I know one day you will have a major problem
and
> > you will be thankful this group has people like Bill, Mike R, Sandman
(when
> > he's around) and others who post helpful info on a regular basis.
> >
> > I for one would miss Bills gruff, no nonsense get down to business
attitude,
> > hell if he decided to run for public office he would have my vote.
Bill
> > may I suggest you run for PM of our lil country up here :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > <flyairam@juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:d35fa1c.0410241003.635c2011@posting.google.co m...
> > > As a new Jeep owner, I searched for a newsgroup that could contribute
> > > advice, talent, and humor to my new hobby.
> > > rec.autos.makers.jeep+****** is a great site for just that.
> > >
> > > The problem is this: there is a person, while incredibly talented and
> > > knowledgable, regularly flames honest folks who mean no harm.
> > >
> > > I spent a few short minutes cutting and pasting different flames from
> > > this person, attached below (only one was addressed to me). It's not
> > > that I have a thin skin, but is this type of thing representative of
> > > Jeepers-at-large? I hope not.
> > >
> > > Enjoying the advice without the bigotry would be really great.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > > =================
> > > You ask us not to flame you, then you tell us the biggest f**kin'
> > > lie I have ever heard. I guess a plug could cause preignition if it
> > > were
> > > the wrong spark plug, with a way too hot heat range! Total Bullsh*t! I
> > > hope you got the right heat range this time, like if it's too cold,
> > > it'll misfire, washing the oil from your cylinders, diluting your oil,
> > > destroying what's left of your engine.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ==========================
> > > Go back to school little girlie boy, you don't' want to be stupid all
> > > your life.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ===========================
> > > Maybe, a grownup will let you open
> > > their barbecue bottle, enough for you to prove the high school
> > > experiment. Wear gloves and eye protection.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > =========================
> > > Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ========================
> > > God, you are stupid. Really, really stupid, most people are just
> > > ignorant, when they don't know what they're talking about, but you're
> > > not capable of learning, dangerously stupid!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ======================
> > > Geez, learn to snip!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ====================
> > > <ROTFLMAO>
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ===============
> > > OK, troll, you want to lift an independent suspension:
> > > http://----------.com/cherokee/05cherokee1front.jpg Well, you could
> > > swap
> > > the axles out of your TJ to get something like this:
> > > http://www.----------.com/libbySaxle.jpg
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ================

 

one of the best things about usenet is the people themselves and the
interface, if you want someone to smile at you while they bend you over the
counter....go see the local jeep dealer. If you want to learn....listen up
on this board, even tho some are gruff and uncouth (or maybe even rude) at
times, they will tell you the truth. Oh and if you make a stupid statement
or two...you'll read about it. I appreciate that these guys take the time
to answer questions...and I am not a newby at this so they could really
question why I was being such a dumbass. Look for the pearls in the oysters
of crap...they are really there.

Sean
99TJ
04 Hemi Ram
and 2 new 04 Polaris quads


"Ufatbasted" <ufatbasted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bdab55d6.0410251045.68d91943@posting.google.c om...
> I agree the dude is way wrong.
> Since Ivd owned my YJ project I browse these groups for answers to
> problems I may have. Bill and Mike Romain are two folks I "listen" too
> if I have a problem. Just ignore any opinions some may have and glean
> the knowledge you are looking for from those who know.
>
> Just rememeber opinions are like ******** everyones got one and yer
> feel much better about things
>
>
> "Snow" <snowball_2004@msn.com> wrote in message
news:<De7fd.3882$rs5.280118@news20.bellglobal.com> ...
> > Dude you are soooooooooooo wrong its sad. As a new J**P owner you
should
> > learn to listen to those who had been there, done that. and Bill
certainly
> > has given his unpublished age :).
> > I know that if I were broken down on the side of the road and Bill's
"real
> > J**P" could ever make it this far (north and east of his current warm
> > climate) I know he would certainly not only offer assistance but most
likely
> > would have a link, picture or comical one liner sitting on his laptop
(real
> > jeeps are allowed to be equipped with laptops aren't they Bill?).
> >
> > Perhaps you should flyair outta here for a bit, calm down, slam back a
> > couple lucky lagers (canadian beer for those of yous south of the
boarder)
> > rethink your published attack on one of the news groups finest and
return in
> > a more peaceful manor. I know one day you will have a major problem
and
> > you will be thankful this group has people like Bill, Mike R, Sandman
(when
> > he's around) and others who post helpful info on a regular basis.
> >
> > I for one would miss Bills gruff, no nonsense get down to business
attitude,
> > hell if he decided to run for public office he would have my vote.
Bill
> > may I suggest you run for PM of our lil country up here :)
> >
> > Snow...
> >
> > <flyairam@juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:d35fa1c.0410241003.635c2011@posting.google.co m...
> > > As a new Jeep owner, I searched for a newsgroup that could contribute
> > > advice, talent, and humor to my new hobby.
> > > rec.autos.makers.jeep+****** is a great site for just that.
> > >
> > > The problem is this: there is a person, while incredibly talented and
> > > knowledgable, regularly flames honest folks who mean no harm.
> > >
> > > I spent a few short minutes cutting and pasting different flames from
> > > this person, attached below (only one was addressed to me). It's not
> > > that I have a thin skin, but is this type of thing representative of
> > > Jeepers-at-large? I hope not.
> > >
> > > Enjoying the advice without the bigotry would be really great.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > > =================
> > > You ask us not to flame you, then you tell us the biggest f**kin'
> > > lie I have ever heard. I guess a plug could cause preignition if it
> > > were
> > > the wrong spark plug, with a way too hot heat range! Total Bullsh*t! I
> > > hope you got the right heat range this time, like if it's too cold,
> > > it'll misfire, washing the oil from your cylinders, diluting your oil,
> > > destroying what's left of your engine.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ==========================
> > > Go back to school little girlie boy, you don't' want to be stupid all
> > > your life.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ===========================
> > > Maybe, a grownup will let you open
> > > their barbecue bottle, enough for you to prove the high school
> > > experiment. Wear gloves and eye protection.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > =========================
> > > Jeff, you're an a**hole too!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ========================
> > > God, you are stupid. Really, really stupid, most people are just
> > > ignorant, when they don't know what they're talking about, but you're
> > > not capable of learning, dangerously stupid!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ======================
> > > Geez, learn to snip!
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ====================
> > > <ROTFLMAO>
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ===============
> > > OK, troll, you want to lift an independent suspension:
> > > http://----------.com/cherokee/05cherokee1front.jpg Well, you could
> > > swap
> > > the axles out of your TJ to get something like this:
> > > http://www.----------.com/libbySaxle.jpg
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > ================

 

Yup, and except for Dean's axle I was correct, remember? Out of
http://www.currieenterprises.com/ , http://www.drivetraindirect.com/ ,
or http://www.dynatrac.com/ only the last had the option for their Dana
60, and only after many of our letter did the offered a Dana 44 disk
brake, ABS for four thousand bucks. Looking through their sites looks
like they've removed all reference to it, good they'll probably kill
someone. BTW when are you going get rid of that that thing, and get a
Real Jeep rear end?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> There were a couple more threads that involved that discussion. At the risk
> of rehash, first you said not just D-C, but no one makes a D44 that supports
> ABS, evidence was presented that in the aftermarket, at least one
> manufacturer did, then since you didn't believe that you presented challenge
> after challenge, spin after spin to that fact..."you could only have ABS on
> that axle if you convert to disk brakes," "tone rings are mounted inside the
> axletube," "tone ring was welded on," all seemingly in an effort to save
> face when presented with facts that show you were fundamentally incorrect in
> your original assumption.
>
> It's OK, though, those of us that know you know what to expect :-)

 

Yup, and except for Dean's axle I was correct, remember? Out of
http://www.currieenterprises.com/ , http://www.drivetraindirect.com/ ,
or http://www.dynatrac.com/ only the last had the option for their Dana
60, and only after many of our letter did the offered a Dana 44 disk
brake, ABS for four thousand bucks. Looking through their sites looks
like they've removed all reference to it, good they'll probably kill
someone. BTW when are you going get rid of that that thing, and get a
Real Jeep rear end?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> There were a couple more threads that involved that discussion. At the risk
> of rehash, first you said not just D-C, but no one makes a D44 that supports
> ABS, evidence was presented that in the aftermarket, at least one
> manufacturer did, then since you didn't believe that you presented challenge
> after challenge, spin after spin to that fact..."you could only have ABS on
> that axle if you convert to disk brakes," "tone rings are mounted inside the
> axletube," "tone ring was welded on," all seemingly in an effort to save
> face when presented with facts that show you were fundamentally incorrect in
> your original assumption.
>
> It's OK, though, those of us that know you know what to expect :-)

 

Yup, and except for Dean's axle I was correct, remember? Out of
http://www.currieenterprises.com/ , http://www.drivetraindirect.com/ ,
or http://www.dynatrac.com/ only the last had the option for their Dana
60, and only after many of our letter did the offered a Dana 44 disk
brake, ABS for four thousand bucks. Looking through their sites looks
like they've removed all reference to it, good they'll probably kill
someone. BTW when are you going get rid of that that thing, and get a
Real Jeep rear end?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> There were a couple more threads that involved that discussion. At the risk
> of rehash, first you said not just D-C, but no one makes a D44 that supports
> ABS, evidence was presented that in the aftermarket, at least one
> manufacturer did, then since you didn't believe that you presented challenge
> after challenge, spin after spin to that fact..."you could only have ABS on
> that axle if you convert to disk brakes," "tone rings are mounted inside the
> axletube," "tone ring was welded on," all seemingly in an effort to save
> face when presented with facts that show you were fundamentally incorrect in
> your original assumption.
>
> It's OK, though, those of us that know you know what to expect :-)

 

Jerry Branham ripped you a new backside on that one. I don't claim any
knowledge of aircraft. Pick on him for a while. I notice that he rarely
stops by, for very good reason.

I suppose I could google the back records for the last time we tangled.
Seems to me on that one you complained that my masked e-mail address
prevented you from inviting me out to the parking lot to discuss things.
Oh well. Want to repeat that comment again?

If you have the sense to recognize a troll to see what kind of response
you will come up with this time, I'd advise you to just ignore this.
Otherwise, have at it in your usual indominatable manner. Have fun!!! I
will, watching you explode as usual.

Cheers.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Geez, give me an example, search diesel, airplane, ------ via
> Google, don't just make baseless accusations.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>Seems to me you launched on the suject of diesels and aircraft a while
>>back. I don't remember a single person agreeing with you. Nor any
>>willingness to see a speck of merit in anything anyone else had to say.

 

Jerry Branham ripped you a new backside on that one. I don't claim any
knowledge of aircraft. Pick on him for a while. I notice that he rarely
stops by, for very good reason.

I suppose I could google the back records for the last time we tangled.
Seems to me on that one you complained that my masked e-mail address
prevented you from inviting me out to the parking lot to discuss things.
Oh well. Want to repeat that comment again?

If you have the sense to recognize a troll to see what kind of response
you will come up with this time, I'd advise you to just ignore this.
Otherwise, have at it in your usual indominatable manner. Have fun!!! I
will, watching you explode as usual.

Cheers.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Geez, give me an example, search diesel, airplane, ------ via
> Google, don't just make baseless accusations.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>Seems to me you launched on the suject of diesels and aircraft a while
>>back. I don't remember a single person agreeing with you. Nor any
>>willingness to see a speck of merit in anything anyone else had to say.

 

Jerry Branham ripped you a new backside on that one. I don't claim any
knowledge of aircraft. Pick on him for a while. I notice that he rarely
stops by, for very good reason.

I suppose I could google the back records for the last time we tangled.
Seems to me on that one you complained that my masked e-mail address
prevented you from inviting me out to the parking lot to discuss things.
Oh well. Want to repeat that comment again?

If you have the sense to recognize a troll to see what kind of response
you will come up with this time, I'd advise you to just ignore this.
Otherwise, have at it in your usual indominatable manner. Have fun!!! I
will, watching you explode as usual.

Cheers.

L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Geez, give me an example, search diesel, airplane, ------ via
> Google, don't just make baseless accusations.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> RoyJ wrote:
>
>>Seems to me you launched on the suject of diesels and aircraft a while
>>back. I don't remember a single person agreeing with you. Nor any
>>willingness to see a speck of merit in anything anyone else had to say.

 

Here are a couple personal examples.

1. You disputed claims (from me and others) that the new "Hemi" engine was
not a Hemi at all, and posted links to pages about (irrelevant) ancient
Hemis and marketing garbage stamped on the heads. When I posted up-to-date
info you moved on to irrelevant points about performance engines.

http://tinyurl.com/5amve

It's just as easy to google modern and accurate info as to rely on old
assumptions then dig up irrelevant stuff.

2. In this thread you accused a poor first-time poster who wanted better
mileage of being a troll (WHY?????) then went off topic. You claimed
"Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons, it's
physically impossible to get better mileage." When I posted a message
directly comparing the Wrangler SEs mileage and power vs. the Honda CR-V (at
similar weights) you said "I've never seen a Honda off road further than a
dirt parking lot, have you?"

Who cares? The OP wondered about the potential to improve MPG in a heavy
vehicle with high drag...and all signs say it's possible to some degree with
modern engines...

http://tinyurl.com/5cw5s

In my experience you get best answers when you mix experience with fresh
research. No offense meant, but then many people don't deserve "TROLL"
messages either.

-John



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:417D6990.149B15EE@***.net...
> Like what? I was a straight forward rebuttal.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Maybe not a change in topic i.e. what's on the header but it's a good
> > example of changing the parameters of the subject when they didn't fit
with
> > what you believed...