Only in a JEEP 4x4?
11-17-2003, 03:59 AM
#51
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
attnews wrote:
> softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And only
> one is being built not....but not for long.
Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the past?
So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
antiques.
11-17-2003, 03:59 AM
#52
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
attnews wrote:
> softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And only
> one is being built not....but not for long.
Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the past?
So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
antiques.
11-17-2003, 06:50 AM
#53
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short wheelbase,
either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
lol)..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB88E05.8070809@erols.com...
>
>
> attnews wrote:
> > softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> > elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And
only
> > one is being built not....but not for long.
>
> Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
> supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
>
> Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
> mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the
past?
>
> So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
> why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
> definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
> Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
> leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
> antiques.
>
either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
lol)..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB88E05.8070809@erols.com...
>
>
> attnews wrote:
> > softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> > elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And
only
> > one is being built not....but not for long.
>
> Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
> supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
>
> Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
> mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the
past?
>
> So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
> why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
> definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
> Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
> leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
> antiques.
>
11-17-2003, 06:50 AM
#54
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short wheelbase,
either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
lol)..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB88E05.8070809@erols.com...
>
>
> attnews wrote:
> > softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> > elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And
only
> > one is being built not....but not for long.
>
> Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
> supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
>
> Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
> mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the
past?
>
> So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
> why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
> definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
> Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
> leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
> antiques.
>
either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
lol)..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB88E05.8070809@erols.com...
>
>
> attnews wrote:
> > softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> > elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And
only
> > one is being built not....but not for long.
>
> Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
> supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
>
> Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
> mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the
past?
>
> So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
> why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
> definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
> Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
> leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
> antiques.
>
11-17-2003, 06:50 AM
#55
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short wheelbase,
either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
lol)..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB88E05.8070809@erols.com...
>
>
> attnews wrote:
> > softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> > elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And
only
> > one is being built not....but not for long.
>
> Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
> supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
>
> Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
> mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the
past?
>
> So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
> why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
> definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
> Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
> leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
> antiques.
>
either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
lol)..
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB88E05.8070809@erols.com...
>
>
> attnews wrote:
> > softening of the breed? The breed isn't being softened. . It has been
> > elimininated. !! The last true and real Jeeps were AMC designs. And
only
> > one is being built not....but not for long.
>
> Okay I'll bite, why were the last "true and real" (whatever that's
> supposed to mean) Jeeps AMC designs?
>
> Please can anyone quantify what 'trueness' or 'realness' signifies? I
> mean besides being a buzzword for people who seem to be living in the
past?
>
> So far no one has actually managed to define what true or real is, and
> why anyone should give a crap. Except possibly Bill and his dictionary
> definition that excludes his own Jeep... But if the definition of 'real
> Jeep' is a pure military ****** then I'll take my 'Improved Jeep' and
> leave the "real" ones for people who can afford to collect and restore
> antiques.
>
11-17-2003, 12:25 PM
#56
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
Mike Hall wrote:
> A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short wheelbase,
> either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
> unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
> 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
> apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
> lol)..
Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
a trail in California. <G>
11-17-2003, 12:25 PM
#57
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
Mike Hall wrote:
> A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short wheelbase,
> either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
> unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
> 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
> apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
> lol)..
Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
a trail in California. <G>
11-17-2003, 12:25 PM
#58
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Posts: n/a
Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
Mike Hall wrote:
> A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short wheelbase,
> either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of terrain..
> unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter than
> 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other 4x4's
> apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking already..
> lol)..
Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
a trail in California. <G>
11-17-2003, 04:00 PM
#59
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Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
Essentially.. yes.. a real jeep has to be judged by what can be achieved
today.. any suggestion that a real jeep can only be a latter day clone of
the short, dumpy, drab vehicle that was driven around the Ardennes Forest
circa 1945 wielding a .50 cal machine gun, folding shovel and jerry can, or
an original from that period has to be tossed aside.. If all auto
manufacturer products were to be judged similarly, one could only imagine
what Nascar would have looked like.. Model T's sporting aerodynamic aides
and blown and injected 428's all because the Model T is the only real Ford..
yes, Ford Talladega owners.. your cars are not 'real' Fords.. lol
Having said that, Nathan Collier has a link to a page of Jeeps.. some of the
pics do NOT show real jeeps.. they are just Jeep-shaped.. lol
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB9048E.5060503@erols.com...
>
>
> Mike Hall wrote:
> > A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short
wheelbase,
> > either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> > draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of
terrain..
> > unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> > vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter
than
> > 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> > vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> > date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other
4x4's
> > apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> > Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking
already..
> > lol)..
>
> Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
> substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
> shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
> handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
> into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
> Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
> a trail in California. <G>
>
today.. any suggestion that a real jeep can only be a latter day clone of
the short, dumpy, drab vehicle that was driven around the Ardennes Forest
circa 1945 wielding a .50 cal machine gun, folding shovel and jerry can, or
an original from that period has to be tossed aside.. If all auto
manufacturer products were to be judged similarly, one could only imagine
what Nascar would have looked like.. Model T's sporting aerodynamic aides
and blown and injected 428's all because the Model T is the only real Ford..
yes, Ford Talladega owners.. your cars are not 'real' Fords.. lol
Having said that, Nathan Collier has a link to a page of Jeeps.. some of the
pics do NOT show real jeeps.. they are just Jeep-shaped.. lol
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB9048E.5060503@erols.com...
>
>
> Mike Hall wrote:
> > A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short
wheelbase,
> > either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> > draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of
terrain..
> > unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> > vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter
than
> > 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> > vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> > date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other
4x4's
> > apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> > Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking
already..
> > lol)..
>
> Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
> substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
> shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
> handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
> into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
> Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
> a trail in California. <G>
>
11-17-2003, 04:00 PM
#60
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Posts: n/a
Re: Only in a JEEP 4x4?
Essentially.. yes.. a real jeep has to be judged by what can be achieved
today.. any suggestion that a real jeep can only be a latter day clone of
the short, dumpy, drab vehicle that was driven around the Ardennes Forest
circa 1945 wielding a .50 cal machine gun, folding shovel and jerry can, or
an original from that period has to be tossed aside.. If all auto
manufacturer products were to be judged similarly, one could only imagine
what Nascar would have looked like.. Model T's sporting aerodynamic aides
and blown and injected 428's all because the Model T is the only real Ford..
yes, Ford Talladega owners.. your cars are not 'real' Fords.. lol
Having said that, Nathan Collier has a link to a page of Jeeps.. some of the
pics do NOT show real jeeps.. they are just Jeep-shaped.. lol
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB9048E.5060503@erols.com...
>
>
> Mike Hall wrote:
> > A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short
wheelbase,
> > either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> > draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of
terrain..
> > unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> > vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter
than
> > 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> > vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> > date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other
4x4's
> > apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> > Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking
already..
> > lol)..
>
> Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
> substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
> shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
> handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
> into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
> Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
> a trail in California. <G>
>
today.. any suggestion that a real jeep can only be a latter day clone of
the short, dumpy, drab vehicle that was driven around the Ardennes Forest
circa 1945 wielding a .50 cal machine gun, folding shovel and jerry can, or
an original from that period has to be tossed aside.. If all auto
manufacturer products were to be judged similarly, one could only imagine
what Nascar would have looked like.. Model T's sporting aerodynamic aides
and blown and injected 428's all because the Model T is the only real Ford..
yes, Ford Talladega owners.. your cars are not 'real' Fords.. lol
Having said that, Nathan Collier has a link to a page of Jeeps.. some of the
pics do NOT show real jeeps.. they are just Jeep-shaped.. lol
--
History is only the past if we choose to do nothing about it..
"Simon Juncal" <sjuncal@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3FB9048E.5060503@erols.com...
>
>
> Mike Hall wrote:
> > A 'real' Jeep is any vehicle carrying the Jeep name that is short
wheelbase,
> > either military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot, that is
> > draughty and uncomfortable but can more or less cross any kind of
terrain..
> > unless of course the reference is to the 'real' FSJ (Full Size Jeep), a
> > vehicle that can have a wheelbase no longer than 133" and not shorter
than
> > 109", be military spec or highly modified to look like Big Foot.. or any
> > vehicle carrying the Jeep name, bearing in mind that all Jeep designs to
> > date have to be tested on a trail in Calif. that would bust most other
4x4's
> > apart other than 'non Jeeps' like the Mercedes G Wagon or Toyota Land
> > Cruiser (not a definitive list of 'non Jeeps', so quit squawking
already..
> > lol)..
>
> Well that narrows it down lol. So what you're saying is the only thing
> substantially different from a 'real' Jeep and an 'improved' Jeep is the
> shorter wheelbase that may or may not let the 'real' Jeep go into (a
> handfull) of places that the longer wheelbase YJ may or may not also get
> into... Either of which may or may not be modified to look like Big
> Foot; in the process of trying to jam it into some nooks and crannys on
> a trail in California. <G>
>