William Oliveri

The manager lives off property and usually strolls through with his dog
every once in a while. His daughter lives on property but they are more
"relaxed". I don't even know what he'd do if he caught me. I know he told
another tenet to stop working on his truck because the appt complex doesn't
carry insurance for this kind of stuff.


Well, let's see how sneaky I can be :-)


Billo



"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
news:RUM1c.137510$Qg7.58399@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> Good plan but ... call the manager and report a "gas like odor" in the
> stairwell furthest from your parking spot... this will buy you some extra
> "crap! I forgot to disconnect the..." time.
> -Brian
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
> : What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
> :
> : Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment complex,
> pull
> : the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
> shouldn't
> : take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
the
> : electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
will
> : trim the exposure time with the manager.
> :
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> : news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
> plan.
> : >
> : > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
engine
> : > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
the
> : > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
> : >
> : > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull
it
> : out
> : > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
> : >
> : > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
> roll
> : > freely over speed bumps etc.
> : >
> : > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
> : >
> : > Thanks,
> : >
> : > Billo
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>

William Oliveri

The manager lives off property and usually strolls through with his dog
every once in a while. His daughter lives on property but they are more
"relaxed". I don't even know what he'd do if he caught me. I know he told
another tenet to stop working on his truck because the appt complex doesn't
carry insurance for this kind of stuff.


Well, let's see how sneaky I can be :-)


Billo



"Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
news:RUM1c.137510$Qg7.58399@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> Good plan but ... call the manager and report a "gas like odor" in the
> stairwell furthest from your parking spot... this will buy you some extra
> "crap! I forgot to disconnect the..." time.
> -Brian
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
> : What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
> :
> : Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment complex,
> pull
> : the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
> shouldn't
> : take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
the
> : electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
will
> : trim the exposure time with the manager.
> :
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> : news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
> plan.
> : >
> : > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
engine
> : > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
the
> : > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
> : >
> : > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull
it
> : out
> : > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
> : >
> : > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
> roll
> : > freely over speed bumps etc.
> : >
> : > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
> : >
> : > Thanks,
> : >
> : > Billo
> : >
> : >
> :
>
>

CRWLR

Well, there are a couple of options here.

While the motor is out, you might consider checking out the trans and tcase.
If so, then the skip plate comes off and the whole mess comes out through
the engine bay. Otherwise, you have to unbolt the motor from the
bellhousing, I expect to find 8 ~ 10 bolts here, and leave the trans and
tcase in place and just lift the motor out.

The motor will be held in by the bellhousing bolts and the two motor mounts.
If you elect to pull the trans and tcase at the same time, then there is one
trans mount and 6 bolts on the skid plate. You will still have the
bellhousing bolts, but they will be much easier to get to on the floor than
against the firewall.

You know, you can unbolt the trans at the bell housing (4 bolts) and lift
the bell housing and clutch out with the motor, then take the bellhousing
off. That makes the most sense. It can be a pain in the *** to get the input
shaft of the trans to fit through the clutch while you are dropping the
motor back in, but it is possible to do it. It is the inverse of putting the
trans back on while the engine is already in place. I could not get my trans
on, and I struggled with it for an hour or so, then my kid depressed the
clutch and the trans jumped into place so fast I couldn't get my fingers out
of the way fast enough. I just needed that last half-inch (less, actually)
and depressing the clutch pedal did the trick.






"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c285io$1o1cap$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What does it take to unbolt the short block from the frame/tranny. I know
> there are two engine mounts, one of which I have undone already. What
about
> bolts to the tranny or other things?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
> > What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
> >
> > Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment complex,
> pull
> > the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
> shouldn't
> > take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
the
> > electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
will
> > trim the exposure time with the manager.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
> plan.
> > >
> > > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
engine
> > > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
the
> > > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
> > >
> > > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull
it
> > out
> > > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
> > >
> > > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
> roll
> > > freely over speed bumps etc.
> > >
> > > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Billo
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

Well, there are a couple of options here.

While the motor is out, you might consider checking out the trans and tcase.
If so, then the skip plate comes off and the whole mess comes out through
the engine bay. Otherwise, you have to unbolt the motor from the
bellhousing, I expect to find 8 ~ 10 bolts here, and leave the trans and
tcase in place and just lift the motor out.

The motor will be held in by the bellhousing bolts and the two motor mounts.
If you elect to pull the trans and tcase at the same time, then there is one
trans mount and 6 bolts on the skid plate. You will still have the
bellhousing bolts, but they will be much easier to get to on the floor than
against the firewall.

You know, you can unbolt the trans at the bell housing (4 bolts) and lift
the bell housing and clutch out with the motor, then take the bellhousing
off. That makes the most sense. It can be a pain in the *** to get the input
shaft of the trans to fit through the clutch while you are dropping the
motor back in, but it is possible to do it. It is the inverse of putting the
trans back on while the engine is already in place. I could not get my trans
on, and I struggled with it for an hour or so, then my kid depressed the
clutch and the trans jumped into place so fast I couldn't get my fingers out
of the way fast enough. I just needed that last half-inch (less, actually)
and depressing the clutch pedal did the trick.






"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c285io$1o1cap$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What does it take to unbolt the short block from the frame/tranny. I know
> there are two engine mounts, one of which I have undone already. What
about
> bolts to the tranny or other things?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
> > What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
> >
> > Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment complex,
> pull
> > the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
> shouldn't
> > take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
the
> > electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
will
> > trim the exposure time with the manager.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
> plan.
> > >
> > > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
engine
> > > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
the
> > > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
> > >
> > > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull
it
> > out
> > > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
> > >
> > > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
> roll
> > > freely over speed bumps etc.
> > >
> > > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Billo
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

CRWLR

Well, there are a couple of options here.

While the motor is out, you might consider checking out the trans and tcase.
If so, then the skip plate comes off and the whole mess comes out through
the engine bay. Otherwise, you have to unbolt the motor from the
bellhousing, I expect to find 8 ~ 10 bolts here, and leave the trans and
tcase in place and just lift the motor out.

The motor will be held in by the bellhousing bolts and the two motor mounts.
If you elect to pull the trans and tcase at the same time, then there is one
trans mount and 6 bolts on the skid plate. You will still have the
bellhousing bolts, but they will be much easier to get to on the floor than
against the firewall.

You know, you can unbolt the trans at the bell housing (4 bolts) and lift
the bell housing and clutch out with the motor, then take the bellhousing
off. That makes the most sense. It can be a pain in the *** to get the input
shaft of the trans to fit through the clutch while you are dropping the
motor back in, but it is possible to do it. It is the inverse of putting the
trans back on while the engine is already in place. I could not get my trans
on, and I struggled with it for an hour or so, then my kid depressed the
clutch and the trans jumped into place so fast I couldn't get my fingers out
of the way fast enough. I just needed that last half-inch (less, actually)
and depressing the clutch pedal did the trick.






"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c285io$1o1cap$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> What does it take to unbolt the short block from the frame/tranny. I know
> there are two engine mounts, one of which I have undone already. What
about
> bolts to the tranny or other things?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
> > What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
> >
> > Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment complex,
> pull
> > the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
> shouldn't
> > take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
the
> > electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
will
> > trim the exposure time with the manager.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
> > news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
> plan.
> > >
> > > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
engine
> > > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
the
> > > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
> > >
> > > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull
it
> > out
> > > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
> > >
> > > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
> roll
> > > freely over speed bumps etc.
> > >
> > > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Billo
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I've carried a 428" Ford short block, about four hundred pounds,
which may explain my L5, S1.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible plan.
>
> If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the engine
> without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get the
> block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
>
> I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull it out
> of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
>
> I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would roll
> freely over speed bumps etc.
>
> Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Billo

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I've carried a 428" Ford short block, about four hundred pounds,
which may explain my L5, S1.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible plan.
>
> If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the engine
> without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get the
> block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
>
> I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull it out
> of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
>
> I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would roll
> freely over speed bumps etc.
>
> Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Billo

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

I've carried a 428" Ford short block, about four hundred pounds,
which may explain my L5, S1.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible plan.
>
> If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the engine
> without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get the
> block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
>
> I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and pull it out
> of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
>
> I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would roll
> freely over speed bumps etc.
>
> Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Billo

Cherokee-LTD

Don't forget to whistle nonchalantly.. that always seems to help a covert
operation.
-Brian

"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c2865v$1qliki$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The manager lives off property and usually strolls through with his dog
: every once in a while. His daughter lives on property but they are more
: "relaxed". I don't even know what he'd do if he caught me. I know he
told
: another tenet to stop working on his truck because the appt complex
doesn't
: carry insurance for this kind of stuff.
:
:
: Well, let's see how sneaky I can be :-)
:
:
: Billo
:
:
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:RUM1c.137510$Qg7.58399@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
: > Good plan but ... call the manager and report a "gas like odor" in the
: > stairwell furthest from your parking spot... this will buy you some
extra
: > "crap! I forgot to disconnect the..." time.
: > -Brian
: >
: > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
: > : What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
: > :
: > : Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment
complex,
: > pull
: > : the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
: > shouldn't
: > : take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
: the
: > : electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
: will
: > : trim the exposure time with the manager.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
: > : news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
: > plan.
: > : >
: > : > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
: engine
: > : > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
: the
: > : > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
: > : >
: > : > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and
pull
: it
: > : out
: > : > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
: > : >
: > : > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
: > roll
: > : > freely over speed bumps etc.
: > : >
: > : > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
: > : >
: > : > Thanks,
: > : >
: > : > Billo
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

Cherokee-LTD

Don't forget to whistle nonchalantly.. that always seems to help a covert
operation.
-Brian

"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
news:c2865v$1qliki$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
: The manager lives off property and usually strolls through with his dog
: every once in a while. His daughter lives on property but they are more
: "relaxed". I don't even know what he'd do if he caught me. I know he
told
: another tenet to stop working on his truck because the appt complex
doesn't
: carry insurance for this kind of stuff.
:
:
: Well, let's see how sneaky I can be :-)
:
:
: Billo
:
:
:
: "Cherokee-LTD" <spammenot@home.com> wrote in message
: news:RUM1c.137510$Qg7.58399@news04.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
: > Good plan but ... call the manager and report a "gas like odor" in the
: > stairwell furthest from your parking spot... this will buy you some
extra
: > "crap! I forgot to disconnect the..." time.
: > -Brian
: >
: > "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:104f3nd5c68iddd@corp.supernews.com...
: > : What you really need is a buddy with a pick up truck.
: > :
: > : Use the truck to bring the cherry picker over to the apartment
complex,
: > pull
: > : the motor and drop it into the truck, and drag the picker away. It
: > shouldn't
: > : take more than about an hour to get this all done. You can pull all of
: the
: > : electrics and many of the bolts before the picker rolls in, and this
: will
: > : trim the exposure time with the manager.
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : "William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
: > : news:c27vie$1psfv1$1@ID-193866.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > : > Ok guys, don't laugh. This is running through my head as a possible
: > plan.
: > : >
: > : > If I can get a collapsible engine hoist I think I could pull the
: engine
: > : > without my manager knowing the better. Then the question is to get
: the
: > : > block to the machinist. He is only a couple of miles away.
: > : >
: > : > I was thinking of getting a pull by hand cart to stick it on and
pull
: it
: > : out
: > : > of my complex covered up (like a wagon or something).
: > : >
: > : > I would need a cart strong enough to carry the short block and would
: > roll
: > : > freely over speed bumps etc.
: > : >
: > : > Anyone can recommend a cart that might work?
: > : >
: > : > Thanks,
: > : >
: > : > Billo
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: >
: >
:
: