Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

That is the stupidest comment I have ever read! What is it with you
bleeding heart liberals, all you can do is whine. You're just dead
weight!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

larry wrote:
>
> There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
> So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

That is the stupidest comment I have ever read! What is it with you
bleeding heart liberals, all you can do is whine. You're just dead
weight!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

larry wrote:
>
> There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
> So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

That is the stupidest comment I have ever read! What is it with you
bleeding heart liberals, all you can do is whine. You're just dead
weight!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

larry wrote:
>
> There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
> So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

That is the stupidest comment I have ever read! What is it with you
bleeding heart liberals, all you can do is whine. You're just dead
weight!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

larry wrote:
>
> There is no solution...none of us are going to get out of this alive!
> So have you the balls to take that?

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

Bill,

I am not sure which problem this is intended to solve. For me, the problem
is to assure a continued supply of petroleum and petroleum products, until
some whiz kid figures out how to make pure 2,2,4-trimethylpentane, out of
sh*t. If we want to do that, it is necessary to preserve what petroleum we
have, for a while at least. Opening up the tap isn't going to accomplish
that.

I thought that conservatives, were supposed to "conserve" stuff. I may be
confused.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42FD1C3F.953FFF2C@cox.net...
> Hi Lee,
> There is an answer, kick the bleeding heart liberal, tree huggers
> out of government, let our oil companies build new refineries, cross
> drill into our lower states national reserves, open up Arctic National
> Wildlife Refuge, it has the largest estimated oil reserves in the world,
> and we'll have petroleum produces to cheap to meter, again.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
> > chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
> > gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
> > Bring the Bastards To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.
> >
> > So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
> > much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.
> >
> > The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
> > outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
> > distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
> > their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
> > few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
> > turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
> > people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
> > routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
> > live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
> > tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
> > work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
> > user by truck.
> >
> > The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
> > current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
> > such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
> > consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
> > won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
> > depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
> > goods and towards fuel costs.
> >
> > Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
> > "bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
> > hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
> > fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
> > drive my CJ and my Cherokee.
> >
> > Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
> > atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

Bill,

I am not sure which problem this is intended to solve. For me, the problem
is to assure a continued supply of petroleum and petroleum products, until
some whiz kid figures out how to make pure 2,2,4-trimethylpentane, out of
sh*t. If we want to do that, it is necessary to preserve what petroleum we
have, for a while at least. Opening up the tap isn't going to accomplish
that.

I thought that conservatives, were supposed to "conserve" stuff. I may be
confused.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42FD1C3F.953FFF2C@cox.net...
> Hi Lee,
> There is an answer, kick the bleeding heart liberal, tree huggers
> out of government, let our oil companies build new refineries, cross
> drill into our lower states national reserves, open up Arctic National
> Wildlife Refuge, it has the largest estimated oil reserves in the world,
> and we'll have petroleum produces to cheap to meter, again.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
> > chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
> > gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
> > Bring the Bastards To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.
> >
> > So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
> > much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.
> >
> > The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
> > outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
> > distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
> > their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
> > few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
> > turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
> > people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
> > routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
> > live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
> > tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
> > work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
> > user by truck.
> >
> > The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
> > current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
> > such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
> > consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
> > won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
> > depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
> > goods and towards fuel costs.
> >
> > Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
> > "bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
> > hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
> > fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
> > drive my CJ and my Cherokee.
> >
> > Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
> > atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."

Re: Oil prices got you down?
 

Bill,

I am not sure which problem this is intended to solve. For me, the problem
is to assure a continued supply of petroleum and petroleum products, until
some whiz kid figures out how to make pure 2,2,4-trimethylpentane, out of
sh*t. If we want to do that, it is necessary to preserve what petroleum we
have, for a while at least. Opening up the tap isn't going to accomplish
that.

I thought that conservatives, were supposed to "conserve" stuff. I may be
confused.

Earle

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:42FD1C3F.953FFF2C@cox.net...
> Hi Lee,
> There is an answer, kick the bleeding heart liberal, tree huggers
> out of government, let our oil companies build new refineries, cross
> drill into our lower states national reserves, open up Arctic National
> Wildlife Refuge, it has the largest estimated oil reserves in the world,
> and we'll have petroleum produces to cheap to meter, again.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > Yup, exactly. His suggestion isn't any different than the "Gas Out"
> > chain e-mail that circulates from time to time, urging people to not buy
> > gas next week and Then We'll Teach `Em A Lesson They Won't Forget and
> > Bring the Bastards To Their Knees, Woo Hoo.
> >
> > So everyone doesn't buy gas next week, then everyone buys _twice_ as
> > much the next week. Oh, yeah, _that'll_ teach `em. Woo. Hoo.
> >
> > The fact is that America is built for the automobile. Few people
> > outside of a few habitable metropolitian areas live within walking
> > distance of a food store, fewer still live within walking distance to
> > their jobs. The few commuter rail systems that still exist serve only a
> > few areas and are under constant pressure to reduce their budgets and to
> > turn a profit -- which they will never be able to do. Middle class
> > people won't take busses, and even if they did they don't have enough
> > routes to serve but a tiny fraction of employers while their employees
> > live 20, 50 or 100 miles away. Freight and parcels must be there
> > tomorrow under the "just in time" system that most American companies
> > work under, so all but bulk raw material travels directly from source to
> > user by truck.
> >
> > The result is that we are locked into using cars, you can't live the
> > current lifestyle of the majority without one. Conservation efforts
> > such as hybrids won't really help in the short term because any drop in
> > consumption will be off-set by growth in consumption. Higher prices
> > won't reduce fuel consumption much except as a side effect of a
> > depressed economy, as disposable income is diverted away from consumer
> > goods and towards fuel costs.
> >
> > Do I have an answer? Nope. There's only so much fry oil to divert to
> > "bio-diesel" and until someone comes up with a way to manufacture
> > hydrogen or ethanol that doesn't take _more_ energy to produce than the
> > fuel's eventual yield neither one is a viable solution. And I still
> > drive my CJ and my Cherokee.
> >
> > Or, as someone on NPR recently opined: "We're gonna run out of
> > atmosphere before we run out of fossil fuels."