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I remember an air filter comparison done in a car mag a long time ago. The
Fram filters showed the most restriction of all of the filters tested, but
also showed that they trapped more dirt. It's an obvious trade off. There
will be situations where a better filter exists (such as racing), but for a
dusty environment, the Fram was shown to offer the best protection, which is
what this thread seems to be about. ;-)

Chris

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:e762$45329a2b$422afc51$16295@FUSE.NET...
>I think this is the first time I've heard anything bad about Fram Air
>Filters.
>
>
>
> "Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
> news:6dKdnWWDKvFe4a_YnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> -snip-
> This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
>> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
>> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
>> filters weren't worth using either.
>
>

billy ray

This is a graph from a study performed by an employee of the company that
builds the official testing equipment. As I recall the study was published
in 2004 using the filter size for the DuraMax Diesel.

The first chart shows the amount to the official sanctioned test 'dust'
before the filter is considered to be clogged.
K & N scores the lowest but to be fair you can just clean a K & N and
reinstall it.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch9

The second graph shows the amount of official 'dust' that went right
through the filter. The K & N filter was the second worst passing 17.5
times as much dust as the AC Delco paper filter. Said another way it passed
One Thousand Seven Hundred Fifty percent more dust.

Please note the performance of the AFE which is also an oiled gauze like the
K & N.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...Anch=imgAnch10


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:9axYg.35447$iA5.33417@dukeread11...
> billy ray wrote:
>> I think this is the first time I've heard anything bad about Fram Air
>> Filters.
>
> I've had no probem with fram air filters. Lots of dust and none of
> it got into the intake. I'll take fram AF over the high-flow oiled
> types any day.
>
>> "Outatime" wrote ...
>> -snip-
>> This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
>>> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
>>> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
>>> filters weren't worth using either.
>
>
>

billy ray

This is a graph from a study performed by an employee of the company that
builds the official testing equipment. As I recall the study was published
in 2004 using the filter size for the DuraMax Diesel.

The first chart shows the amount to the official sanctioned test 'dust'
before the filter is considered to be clogged.
K & N scores the lowest but to be fair you can just clean a K & N and
reinstall it.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch9

The second graph shows the amount of official 'dust' that went right
through the filter. The K & N filter was the second worst passing 17.5
times as much dust as the AC Delco paper filter. Said another way it passed
One Thousand Seven Hundred Fifty percent more dust.

Please note the performance of the AFE which is also an oiled gauze like the
K & N.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...Anch=imgAnch10


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:9axYg.35447$iA5.33417@dukeread11...
> billy ray wrote:
>> I think this is the first time I've heard anything bad about Fram Air
>> Filters.
>
> I've had no probem with fram air filters. Lots of dust and none of
> it got into the intake. I'll take fram AF over the high-flow oiled
> types any day.
>
>> "Outatime" wrote ...
>> -snip-
>> This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
>>> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
>>> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
>>> filters weren't worth using either.
>
>
>

billy ray

This is a graph from a study performed by an employee of the company that
builds the official testing equipment. As I recall the study was published
in 2004 using the filter size for the DuraMax Diesel.

The first chart shows the amount to the official sanctioned test 'dust'
before the filter is considered to be clogged.
K & N scores the lowest but to be fair you can just clean a K & N and
reinstall it.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch9

The second graph shows the amount of official 'dust' that went right
through the filter. The K & N filter was the second worst passing 17.5
times as much dust as the AC Delco paper filter. Said another way it passed
One Thousand Seven Hundred Fifty percent more dust.

Please note the performance of the AFE which is also an oiled gauze like the
K & N.

http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...Anch=imgAnch10


"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
news:9axYg.35447$iA5.33417@dukeread11...
> billy ray wrote:
>> I think this is the first time I've heard anything bad about Fram Air
>> Filters.
>
> I've had no probem with fram air filters. Lots of dust and none of
> it got into the intake. I'll take fram AF over the high-flow oiled
> types any day.
>
>> "Outatime" wrote ...
>> -snip-
>> This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
>>> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
>>> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
>>> filters weren't worth using either.
>
>
>

Peter Parker

In article <1160703806.978466.130320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
NJPainter <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>billy ray wrote:
>> Perhaps I missed something..
>>
>> Did the mechanic, or the back up mechanic, ever put a mechanical pressure
>> gauge on the engine or are you relying on the dash gauge?
>>
>>
>
>
>No they didn't do the mechanical gauge.
>

ROFLMAO!!!!


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Peter Parker

In article <1160703806.978466.130320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
NJPainter <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>billy ray wrote:
>> Perhaps I missed something..
>>
>> Did the mechanic, or the back up mechanic, ever put a mechanical pressure
>> gauge on the engine or are you relying on the dash gauge?
>>
>>
>
>
>No they didn't do the mechanical gauge.
>

ROFLMAO!!!!


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

Peter Parker

In article <1160703806.978466.130320@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups .com>,
NJPainter <vuso77@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>billy ray wrote:
>> Perhaps I missed something..
>>
>> Did the mechanic, or the back up mechanic, ever put a mechanical pressure
>> gauge on the engine or are you relying on the dash gauge?
>>
>>
>
>
>No they didn't do the mechanical gauge.
>

ROFLMAO!!!!


--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Filter particles would have to traveled through the bearing
journals to reach the pickup screen.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Outatime wrote:
>
> Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
> breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
> enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
>
> I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
> were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
> and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
> Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
> spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
> Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
> this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
> filters weren't worth using either.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Filter particles would have to traveled through the bearing
journals to reach the pickup screen.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Outatime wrote:
>
> Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
> breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
> enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
>
> I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
> were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
> and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
> Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
> spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
> Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
> this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
> filters weren't worth using either.

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III

Filter particles would have to traveled through the bearing
journals to reach the pickup screen.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Outatime wrote:
>
> Both engines had blocked oil passages due to bits of Fram's filter media
> breaking off and moving through the engine until they found a port small
> enough to block; other pieces then sealed it further.
>
> I had advance warning on a Chrysler slant-6; the rocker arm oil ports
> were blocked; I pulled it apart, found the foreign material, cleaned it
> and dismissed it as a probable dirty short-block I'd just installed.
> Within a week, pressure suddenly dropped to near-zero and several mains
> spun. Pretty much the same deal with the 2.2 (?) Rabbit engine in the
> Omni; same fate, although the pan pick-up screen ended up plugged on
> this one instead. This time around, I hired a mechanic to find out WTH
> it was; he blamed the oil filter, and said Fram had changed hands and
> their products were now something to avoid. FWIW, he said their air
> filters weren't worth using either.