Oil Pan bolts?
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:355snkF4gsrqcU1@individual.net...
> Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior
> mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He
said
> to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he
said
> once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a
> very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have
to
> barely see the gasket squish and you stop.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:N5ydnV8CWdcw33DcRVn-2A@ez2.net...
> > There are two specs, one for 1/4" screws and another for 5/16" screws.
> >
> > The Set To spec is 7 ft lb for the 1/4, and 11 for the 5/16. The Service
> In
> > Use spec is 5 to 9 and 9 to 13, respectively. All measurments are in
foot
> > pounds.
> >
> >
> > The spec for Oil Pressure is 13psi at 600 RPM and 37 to 75 psi from 1600
> RPM
> > and up. The max pressure is determined by a bypass valve, this pressure
is
> > capped at 75psi.
> >
> > I am not sure that a high flow oil pump is beneficial unless you make
> other
> > unknown changes to accomodate the increased flow/pressure. My
inclination
> > would be to get another stock pump.
> >
> >
> > I pulled this data from my Factory Service Manual, but I must give a
> caveat
> > that the Oil Capacity is listed at 4 quarts, plus the filter. My 258
holds
> 6
> > quarts, including the filter, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of the
> > information I have given. Having said that, If I was rebuilding my
motor,
> I
> > would use all of the information, and accept the idea that the oil
> capacity
> > is shown incorrectly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:352kb1F4foiutU1@individual.net...
> > > I'm in the process of removing the oil pan from my '75 CJ5 258. I've
> read
> > > through my Chilton's and Haynes manual, but can't seem to find the
> Torque
> > > spec's for the oil pan retaining bolts. The spec's for the 4 cylinder
> is
> > > in
> > > the Chilton's, but not the Haynes. Please Help. Also, any
> > > recommendations
> > > for oil pumps on this engine?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks Always !!!
> > > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > > Vail, CO.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
"Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
news:355snkF4gsrqcU1@individual.net...
> Okay, I got some pretty decent info today. I talked to one of senior
> mechanics that I know from our Public Works Fleet Maintenance dept. He
said
> to do a visual pressure test. I agree it will take a keen eye, but he
said
> once the bolts are just finger tight, turn each bolt just until one sees a
> very slight visual gasket pinch. He said it works great. You just have
to
> barely see the gasket squish and you stop.
>
> --
> Thanks Always !!!
> Paul '75 CJ5 258
> Vail, CO.
> "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:N5ydnV8CWdcw33DcRVn-2A@ez2.net...
> > There are two specs, one for 1/4" screws and another for 5/16" screws.
> >
> > The Set To spec is 7 ft lb for the 1/4, and 11 for the 5/16. The Service
> In
> > Use spec is 5 to 9 and 9 to 13, respectively. All measurments are in
foot
> > pounds.
> >
> >
> > The spec for Oil Pressure is 13psi at 600 RPM and 37 to 75 psi from 1600
> RPM
> > and up. The max pressure is determined by a bypass valve, this pressure
is
> > capped at 75psi.
> >
> > I am not sure that a high flow oil pump is beneficial unless you make
> other
> > unknown changes to accomodate the increased flow/pressure. My
inclination
> > would be to get another stock pump.
> >
> >
> > I pulled this data from my Factory Service Manual, but I must give a
> caveat
> > that the Oil Capacity is listed at 4 quarts, plus the filter. My 258
holds
> 6
> > quarts, including the filter, so I can not vouch for the accuracy of the
> > information I have given. Having said that, If I was rebuilding my
motor,
> I
> > would use all of the information, and accept the idea that the oil
> capacity
> > is shown incorrectly.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Paul Brogren" <pibrogren@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:352kb1F4foiutU1@individual.net...
> > > I'm in the process of removing the oil pan from my '75 CJ5 258. I've
> read
> > > through my Chilton's and Haynes manual, but can't seem to find the
> Torque
> > > spec's for the oil pan retaining bolts. The spec's for the 4 cylinder
> is
> > > in
> > > the Chilton's, but not the Haynes. Please Help. Also, any
> > > recommendations
> > > for oil pumps on this engine?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks Always !!!
> > > Paul '75 CJ5 258
> > > Vail, CO.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#32
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
#33
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
#34
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having screws
> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end of
> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft lb
> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
#35
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in
news:ePSdnSj3pIrWTnDcRVn-sw@ez2.net:
>
> The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right?
>
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be
> more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right.
>
>
Torque equals lever arm times force. So, yes, the distance from rotational
centerline would be a linear translation. 12 inches to 1 foot.
Dave
news:ePSdnSj3pIrWTnDcRVn-sw@ez2.net:
>
> The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right?
>
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be
> more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right.
>
>
Torque equals lever arm times force. So, yes, the distance from rotational
centerline would be a linear translation. 12 inches to 1 foot.
Dave
#36
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in
news:ePSdnSj3pIrWTnDcRVn-sw@ez2.net:
>
> The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right?
>
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be
> more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right.
>
>
Torque equals lever arm times force. So, yes, the distance from rotational
centerline would be a linear translation. 12 inches to 1 foot.
Dave
news:ePSdnSj3pIrWTnDcRVn-sw@ez2.net:
>
> The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right?
>
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be
> more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right.
>
>
Torque equals lever arm times force. So, yes, the distance from rotational
centerline would be a linear translation. 12 inches to 1 foot.
Dave
#37
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in
news:ePSdnSj3pIrWTnDcRVn-sw@ez2.net:
>
> The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right?
>
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be
> more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right.
>
>
Torque equals lever arm times force. So, yes, the distance from rotational
centerline would be a linear translation. 12 inches to 1 foot.
Dave
news:ePSdnSj3pIrWTnDcRVn-sw@ez2.net:
>
> The conversion is just a matter of multiplying by 12, right?
>
> I hate to ask stupid questions, but this is so simple that it must be
> more difficult. 12 inch pounds is 1 foot pound, right.
>
>
Torque equals lever arm times force. So, yes, the distance from rotational
centerline would be a linear translation. 12 inches to 1 foot.
Dave
#38
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Re: Oil Pan bolts?
So what, if a hot rod loses a part, it is somewhere in the preceding 1/4
mile, and on asphalt. If I lose a part it could be anywhere, and it probably
in the dirt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41EDD6F1.217E632@***.net...
> Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
> gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
>> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having
>> screws
>> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end
>> of
>> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft
>> lb
>> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
mile, and on asphalt. If I lose a part it could be anywhere, and it probably
in the dirt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41EDD6F1.217E632@***.net...
> Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
> gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
>> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having
>> screws
>> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end
>> of
>> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft
>> lb
>> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
#39
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Posts: n/a
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
So what, if a hot rod loses a part, it is somewhere in the preceding 1/4
mile, and on asphalt. If I lose a part it could be anywhere, and it probably
in the dirt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41EDD6F1.217E632@***.net...
> Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
> gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
>> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having
>> screws
>> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end
>> of
>> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft
>> lb
>> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
mile, and on asphalt. If I lose a part it could be anywhere, and it probably
in the dirt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41EDD6F1.217E632@***.net...
> Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
> gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
>> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having
>> screws
>> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end
>> of
>> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft
>> lb
>> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
#40
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Posts: n/a
Re: Oil Pan bolts?
So what, if a hot rod loses a part, it is somewhere in the preceding 1/4
mile, and on asphalt. If I lose a part it could be anywhere, and it probably
in the dirt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41EDD6F1.217E632@***.net...
> Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
> gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
>> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having
>> screws
>> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end
>> of
>> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft
>> lb
>> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...
mile, and on asphalt. If I lose a part it could be anywhere, and it probably
in the dirt.
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41EDD6F1.217E632@***.net...
> Hot Rodders, use finger tight bolts for stock cork or rubber
> gaskets: http://www.hothemiheads.com/images/21508.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Do you need Loctite or what? With parts falling off all over the West, I
>> like to think my oil pan will stay with me for the long haul. Having
>> screws
>> only tightened basically finger tight on something that can spell the end
>> of
>> a good day, or the start of a bad one, makes me nervous. Although, 7 ft
>> lb
>> is something that could be accomplished with a nut driver ...