Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Approximately 10/18/03 09:09, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:

>> I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were
>> more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns.
>> Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an
>> inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal
>> where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills.
>> And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds,
>> hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the
>> population control.
>>
> I agree that a .22 caliber is all you need. But a rimfire .22LR just
> doesn't cut it for anything past 50-75 yards. It loses too much velocity
> and knock-down power, especially on the bigger varmints past that range. A
> centerfire .22 caliber such as a .22-250, .222, .223, .22PPC, or .220 Swift
> is the ticket.

As long as there is no wind, which isn't that often the case out
in the west. Stuff like the .25-06 and .22-250 also tends to
fall off in accuracy even in light wind as you get out past
200-250 yards compared to a longer more aerodynamic round. One
factor too often neglected in the caliber wars is that the light
ones have a really really bad habit of leaving wounded animals
behind. Without getting into the ethics of shooting them in
the first place, if you *are* gonna do it, at least have the
decency to ensure that they go out as quickly and reliably as
possible rather than attempting to prove just how good your
skills are with an inappropriate weapon.

Of course if you have a 24X Leupold and good shooting style, you
can always go for a .50 sniper rifle and take them out at half
a mile or so in a hurricane.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Approximately 10/18/03 09:09, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:

>> I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were
>> more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns.
>> Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an
>> inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal
>> where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills.
>> And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds,
>> hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the
>> population control.
>>
> I agree that a .22 caliber is all you need. But a rimfire .22LR just
> doesn't cut it for anything past 50-75 yards. It loses too much velocity
> and knock-down power, especially on the bigger varmints past that range. A
> centerfire .22 caliber such as a .22-250, .222, .223, .22PPC, or .220 Swift
> is the ticket.

As long as there is no wind, which isn't that often the case out
in the west. Stuff like the .25-06 and .22-250 also tends to
fall off in accuracy even in light wind as you get out past
200-250 yards compared to a longer more aerodynamic round. One
factor too often neglected in the caliber wars is that the light
ones have a really really bad habit of leaving wounded animals
behind. Without getting into the ethics of shooting them in
the first place, if you *are* gonna do it, at least have the
decency to ensure that they go out as quickly and reliably as
possible rather than attempting to prove just how good your
skills are with an inappropriate weapon.

Of course if you have a 24X Leupold and good shooting style, you
can always go for a .50 sniper rifle and take them out at half
a mile or so in a hurricane.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

> As long as there is no wind, which isn't that often the case out
> in the west. Stuff like the .25-06 and .22-250 also tends to
> fall off in accuracy even in light wind as you get out past
> 200-250 yards compared to a longer more aerodynamic round. One
> factor too often neglected in the caliber wars is that the light
> ones have a really really bad habit of leaving wounded animals
> behind. Without getting into the ethics of shooting them in
> the first place, if you *are* gonna do it, at least have the
> decency to ensure that they go out as quickly and reliably as
> possible rather than attempting to prove just how good your
> skills are with an inappropriate weapon.
>
Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I don't
varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my shots
within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best small
caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs of
knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.

Terry.

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

> As long as there is no wind, which isn't that often the case out
> in the west. Stuff like the .25-06 and .22-250 also tends to
> fall off in accuracy even in light wind as you get out past
> 200-250 yards compared to a longer more aerodynamic round. One
> factor too often neglected in the caliber wars is that the light
> ones have a really really bad habit of leaving wounded animals
> behind. Without getting into the ethics of shooting them in
> the first place, if you *are* gonna do it, at least have the
> decency to ensure that they go out as quickly and reliably as
> possible rather than attempting to prove just how good your
> skills are with an inappropriate weapon.
>
Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I don't
varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my shots
within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best small
caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs of
knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.

Terry.

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

> As long as there is no wind, which isn't that often the case out
> in the west. Stuff like the .25-06 and .22-250 also tends to
> fall off in accuracy even in light wind as you get out past
> 200-250 yards compared to a longer more aerodynamic round. One
> factor too often neglected in the caliber wars is that the light
> ones have a really really bad habit of leaving wounded animals
> behind. Without getting into the ethics of shooting them in
> the first place, if you *are* gonna do it, at least have the
> decency to ensure that they go out as quickly and reliably as
> possible rather than attempting to prove just how good your
> skills are with an inappropriate weapon.
>
Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I don't
varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my shots
within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best small
caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs of
knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.

Terry.

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Approximately 10/18/03 14:11, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:


> Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I don't
> varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my shots
> within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best small
> caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
> average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs of
> knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
> wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.

Yup, this is why the .264 and 7mm maggies exist, say with a
87 grain boattail, fully bedded long barrel and handloaded
with a slow burn powder.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Approximately 10/18/03 14:11, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:


> Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I don't
> varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my shots
> within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best small
> caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
> average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs of
> knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
> wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.

Yup, this is why the .264 and 7mm maggies exist, say with a
87 grain boattail, fully bedded long barrel and handloaded
with a slow burn powder.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Approximately 10/18/03 14:11, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:


> Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I don't
> varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my shots
> within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best small
> caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
> average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs of
> knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
> wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.

Yup, this is why the .264 and 7mm maggies exist, say with a
87 grain boattail, fully bedded long barrel and handloaded
with a slow burn powder.

--
My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

I've never known anybody that owned a rifle in the .264 Winchester Magnum.
I just checked it out in my reloading manuals and it looks impressive. It's
a good flat shooter and would make an excellent pronghorn and deer rifle
too. About 75 gr of Hodgdon 870 is the number for the heavier bullets. I
don't think I'd want to take it varmint shooting all day though, where you
can go through 3-4 boxes of cartridges. It probably has recoil in the range
of my .270. Maybe I'm just a wuss these days, but about 20 shots is all my
shoulder wants of it! :-). I'll still opt for my .22-250 for varmint
shooting.

Terry.



"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:8_ikb.584519$Oz4.567794@rwcrnsc54...
> Approximately 10/18/03 14:11, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:
>
>
> > Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I
don't
> > varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my
shots
> > within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best
small
> > caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
> > average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs
of
> > knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
> > wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.
> > Yup, this is why the .264 and 7mm maggies exist, say with a
> 87 grain boattail, fully bedded long barrel and handloaded
> with a slow burn powder.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

I've never known anybody that owned a rifle in the .264 Winchester Magnum.
I just checked it out in my reloading manuals and it looks impressive. It's
a good flat shooter and would make an excellent pronghorn and deer rifle
too. About 75 gr of Hodgdon 870 is the number for the heavier bullets. I
don't think I'd want to take it varmint shooting all day though, where you
can go through 3-4 boxes of cartridges. It probably has recoil in the range
of my .270. Maybe I'm just a wuss these days, but about 20 shots is all my
shoulder wants of it! :-). I'll still opt for my .22-250 for varmint
shooting.

Terry.



"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:8_ikb.584519$Oz4.567794@rwcrnsc54...
> Approximately 10/18/03 14:11, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:
>
>
> > Yep, of course you have more wind drift with the lighter bullets. I
don't
> > varmint shoot when the wind is more than 10mph, and I usually keep my
shots
> > within 300yds. The .22-250 is my preference. It is one of the best
small
> > caliber flat shooters you can buy. Using 55grainers it only drops on
> > average 3-4 inches at 300 yards, and is still packin approx 700 ft-lbs
of
> > knockdown energy. Plenty to spank any varmint. But try to avoid the
> > wind -- you get approx 8 inches of drift in a 10mph crosswind.
> > Yup, this is why the .264 and 7mm maggies exist, say with a
> 87 grain boattail, fully bedded long barrel and handloaded
> with a slow burn powder.
>
> --
> My governor can kick your governor's ass
>