Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Depends on the ammo you are using, Bill.

All your military ammo is FMJ (full metal jacket), designed to humanely
drill a clean hole through the target. Whereas most hunting ammo is
designed to expand somewhat upon impact that produces a tearing effect.
This is because you don't want the animal to run to the next county before
it bleeds to death. You want to drop it on the spot, hopefully, so you
won't have to track a blood trail for miles. You can reload or buy FMJ ammo
for your 30-caliber 30-06 that will pass right through the target as well.
I buy 30-06 FMJ for my M1-Garand.

Terry.


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DB204.5A351EEB@cox.net...
> Here's where we realize the difference between NATO 7.62 ammunition
> used in say a Russian AK 1947 assault weapon, and a American 30-06. my
> .308 will pass through a watermelon, or this rodent without even moving
> it, the my 30-06 obliterates them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Approximately 10/15/03 08:07, FrankW uttered for posterity:
> >
> > > Hey Nathan
> > > Looks like Prairie Dog hunting is big in Montana.
> >
> > Prairie dogs, woodchucks, etc. Called varmint hunting.
> > Available in Montana, Nebraska, both Dakotas, Utah,
> > Wyoming, etc.
> >
> > The dogs are a hazard to livestock. For light wind
> > days, the .22-250, .223, .25-06 are popular, for heavier
> > wind days the .264, .7mm magnums are better particularly
> > if you are varminting at 300-400 yards or more. Good
> > practice for antelope hunting.
> >
> > Chucks are a bit more of a challenge.
> >
> > > Check out these vid's
> > > http://dogbegone.com/video.htm
> > > Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Depends on the ammo you are using, Bill.

All your military ammo is FMJ (full metal jacket), designed to humanely
drill a clean hole through the target. Whereas most hunting ammo is
designed to expand somewhat upon impact that produces a tearing effect.
This is because you don't want the animal to run to the next county before
it bleeds to death. You want to drop it on the spot, hopefully, so you
won't have to track a blood trail for miles. You can reload or buy FMJ ammo
for your 30-caliber 30-06 that will pass right through the target as well.
I buy 30-06 FMJ for my M1-Garand.

Terry.


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DB204.5A351EEB@cox.net...
> Here's where we realize the difference between NATO 7.62 ammunition
> used in say a Russian AK 1947 assault weapon, and a American 30-06. my
> .308 will pass through a watermelon, or this rodent without even moving
> it, the my 30-06 obliterates them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Approximately 10/15/03 08:07, FrankW uttered for posterity:
> >
> > > Hey Nathan
> > > Looks like Prairie Dog hunting is big in Montana.
> >
> > Prairie dogs, woodchucks, etc. Called varmint hunting.
> > Available in Montana, Nebraska, both Dakotas, Utah,
> > Wyoming, etc.
> >
> > The dogs are a hazard to livestock. For light wind
> > days, the .22-250, .223, .25-06 are popular, for heavier
> > wind days the .264, .7mm magnums are better particularly
> > if you are varminting at 300-400 yards or more. Good
> > practice for antelope hunting.
> >
> > Chucks are a bit more of a challenge.
> >
> > > Check out these vid's
> > > http://dogbegone.com/video.htm
> > > Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Depends on the ammo you are using, Bill.

All your military ammo is FMJ (full metal jacket), designed to humanely
drill a clean hole through the target. Whereas most hunting ammo is
designed to expand somewhat upon impact that produces a tearing effect.
This is because you don't want the animal to run to the next county before
it bleeds to death. You want to drop it on the spot, hopefully, so you
won't have to track a blood trail for miles. You can reload or buy FMJ ammo
for your 30-caliber 30-06 that will pass right through the target as well.
I buy 30-06 FMJ for my M1-Garand.

Terry.


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DB204.5A351EEB@cox.net...
> Here's where we realize the difference between NATO 7.62 ammunition
> used in say a Russian AK 1947 assault weapon, and a American 30-06. my
> .308 will pass through a watermelon, or this rodent without even moving
> it, the my 30-06 obliterates them.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Approximately 10/15/03 08:07, FrankW uttered for posterity:
> >
> > > Hey Nathan
> > > Looks like Prairie Dog hunting is big in Montana.
> >
> > Prairie dogs, woodchucks, etc. Called varmint hunting.
> > Available in Montana, Nebraska, both Dakotas, Utah,
> > Wyoming, etc.
> >
> > The dogs are a hazard to livestock. For light wind
> > days, the .22-250, .223, .25-06 are popular, for heavier
> > wind days the .264, .7mm magnums are better particularly
> > if you are varminting at 300-400 yards or more. Good
> > practice for antelope hunting.
> >
> > Chucks are a bit more of a challenge.
> >
> > > Check out these vid's
> > > http://dogbegone.com/video.htm
> > > Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > My governor can kick your governor's ass

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Plenty of big ol' ground hogs back east that are fun to shoot. I used to
shoot plenty of them growing up in West Virginia. They create a massive
hole in the ground and present the same problem as the prairie dogs and
gophers out west here.

Terry.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DBFF0.4B50F68C@cox.net...
> Nor ground squirrels or gofer.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Nathan Collier wrote:
> >
> > how do you arrive at that bill? ive owned many horses over the
years.....we
> > just dont have prairie dogs on the east coast.
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Plenty of big ol' ground hogs back east that are fun to shoot. I used to
shoot plenty of them growing up in West Virginia. They create a massive
hole in the ground and present the same problem as the prairie dogs and
gophers out west here.

Terry.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DBFF0.4B50F68C@cox.net...
> Nor ground squirrels or gofer.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Nathan Collier wrote:
> >
> > how do you arrive at that bill? ive owned many horses over the
years.....we
> > just dont have prairie dogs on the east coast.
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Plenty of big ol' ground hogs back east that are fun to shoot. I used to
shoot plenty of them growing up in West Virginia. They create a massive
hole in the ground and present the same problem as the prairie dogs and
gophers out west here.

Terry.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:3F8DBFF0.4B50F68C@cox.net...
> Nor ground squirrels or gofer.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Nathan Collier wrote:
> >
> > how do you arrive at that bill? ive owned many horses over the
years.....we
> > just dont have prairie dogs on the east coast.
> >
> > --
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Yup, I used the free ball ammunition for my 3.08, I'd have to walk
up to the my empty beer can target to see if I hit it, then I found if I
hit the dirt in front of the target, it would spray up and the target
would disappear. ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Terry Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Depends on the ammo you are using, Bill.
>
> All your military ammo is FMJ (full metal jacket), designed to humanely
> drill a clean hole through the target. Whereas most hunting ammo is
> designed to expand somewhat upon impact that produces a tearing effect.
> This is because you don't want the animal to run to the next county before
> it bleeds to death. You want to drop it on the spot, hopefully, so you
> won't have to track a blood trail for miles. You can reload or buy FMJ ammo
> for your 30-caliber 30-06 that will pass right through the target as well.
> I buy 30-06 FMJ for my M1-Garand.
>
> Terry.

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Yup, I used the free ball ammunition for my 3.08, I'd have to walk
up to the my empty beer can target to see if I hit it, then I found if I
hit the dirt in front of the target, it would spray up and the target
would disappear. ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Terry Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Depends on the ammo you are using, Bill.
>
> All your military ammo is FMJ (full metal jacket), designed to humanely
> drill a clean hole through the target. Whereas most hunting ammo is
> designed to expand somewhat upon impact that produces a tearing effect.
> This is because you don't want the animal to run to the next county before
> it bleeds to death. You want to drop it on the spot, hopefully, so you
> won't have to track a blood trail for miles. You can reload or buy FMJ ammo
> for your 30-caliber 30-06 that will pass right through the target as well.
> I buy 30-06 FMJ for my M1-Garand.
>
> Terry.

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Yup, I used the free ball ammunition for my 3.08, I'd have to walk
up to the my empty beer can target to see if I hit it, then I found if I
hit the dirt in front of the target, it would spray up and the target
would disappear. ;-)
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Terry Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Depends on the ammo you are using, Bill.
>
> All your military ammo is FMJ (full metal jacket), designed to humanely
> drill a clean hole through the target. Whereas most hunting ammo is
> designed to expand somewhat upon impact that produces a tearing effect.
> This is because you don't want the animal to run to the next county before
> it bleeds to death. You want to drop it on the spot, hopefully, so you
> won't have to track a blood trail for miles. You can reload or buy FMJ ammo
> for your 30-caliber 30-06 that will pass right through the target as well.
> I buy 30-06 FMJ for my M1-Garand.
>
> Terry.

Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
 

Groundhogs are a different animal then a prairie dog. A groundhog is
physically larger then a prairie dog.
Here is a link to check out a pic of a ground hog to compare the two.

http://www.groundhogs.com/new_page_3.htm

A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a
rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the
ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very
dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part
up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog
burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands
of dollars for each occurrence.

Greg


"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
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> I've been hunting for many years also
> and felt the same way (sick). I do know some
> hunters who would get a kick out of it.
>
> One particular person we nicknamed "Lester Splatter".
>
> As for the sport, I do know, a lot of farmers would pay
> to have the "Ground Hogs" (as they're called in our area)
> eliminated from their fields.
>
> Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message
> > news:5tOdnVVMGMEX_xCiU-KYgw@magma.ca...
> >
> >>Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters.
> >
> >
> > ive been a hunter for most of my life but just couldnt "feel good" about
> > watching them. whats the big deal with prarie dogs, are they
detrimental to
> > wilderness areas or something?
> >
>