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Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
_FULL_ beer cans all over? Where?!?!
Approximately 10/16/03 16:07, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Yes, but the beer cans seem to be more convenient, being all over > the place next to where I was shooting from. ;-) > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Lon Stowell wrote: >> >> Beer cans aren't as cool as shaving cream cans, particularly >> with a 12 guage. >> >> -- >> My governor can kick your governor's ass -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
_FULL_ beer cans all over? Where?!?!
Approximately 10/16/03 16:07, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Yes, but the beer cans seem to be more convenient, being all over > the place next to where I was shooting from. ;-) > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Lon Stowell wrote: >> >> Beer cans aren't as cool as shaving cream cans, particularly >> with a 12 guage. >> >> -- >> My governor can kick your governor's ass -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
_FULL_ beer cans all over? Where?!?!
Approximately 10/16/03 16:07, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity: > Yes, but the beer cans seem to be more convenient, being all over > the place next to where I was shooting from. ;-) > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > Lon Stowell wrote: >> >> Beer cans aren't as cool as shaving cream cans, particularly >> with a 12 guage. >> >> -- >> My governor can kick your governor's ass -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
> A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a
> rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the > ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very > dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part > up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog > burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands > of dollars for each occurrence. Agreed. I've never questioned the validity of controlling the pests. I've seen rabbits just as damaging to cows and horses with their own burrows. I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the population control. Who brings high speed cameras out to a rodent shoot any ways? Not like we all need to see their skilled marksmanship? The rodents a no more than still targets in that open space anyway. Cheers! Perry GMP News wrote: > Groundhogs are a different animal then a prairie dog. A groundhog is > physically larger then a prairie dog. > Here is a link to check out a pic of a ground hog to compare the two. > > http://www.groundhogs.com/new_page_3.htm > > A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a > rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the > ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very > dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part > up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog > burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands > of dollars for each occurrence. > > Greg > > > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message > news:K42cnX8HZOlF5hCiU-KYvQ@magma.ca... > >>I've been hunting for many years also >>and felt the same way (sick). I do know some >>hunters who would get a kick out of it. >> >>One particular person we nicknamed "Lester Splatter". >> >>As for the sport, I do know, a lot of farmers would pay >>to have the "Ground Hogs" (as they're called in our area) >>eliminated from their fields. >> >>Nathan Collier wrote: >> >> >>>"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message >>>news:5tOdnVVMGMEX_xCiU-KYgw@magma.ca... >>> >>> >>>>Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters. >>> >>> >>>ive been a hunter for most of my life but just couldnt "feel good" about >>>watching them. whats the big deal with prarie dogs, are they >> > detrimental to > >>>wilderness areas or something? >>> >> > > |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
> A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a
> rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the > ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very > dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part > up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog > burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands > of dollars for each occurrence. Agreed. I've never questioned the validity of controlling the pests. I've seen rabbits just as damaging to cows and horses with their own burrows. I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the population control. Who brings high speed cameras out to a rodent shoot any ways? Not like we all need to see their skilled marksmanship? The rodents a no more than still targets in that open space anyway. Cheers! Perry GMP News wrote: > Groundhogs are a different animal then a prairie dog. A groundhog is > physically larger then a prairie dog. > Here is a link to check out a pic of a ground hog to compare the two. > > http://www.groundhogs.com/new_page_3.htm > > A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a > rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the > ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very > dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part > up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog > burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands > of dollars for each occurrence. > > Greg > > > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message > news:K42cnX8HZOlF5hCiU-KYvQ@magma.ca... > >>I've been hunting for many years also >>and felt the same way (sick). I do know some >>hunters who would get a kick out of it. >> >>One particular person we nicknamed "Lester Splatter". >> >>As for the sport, I do know, a lot of farmers would pay >>to have the "Ground Hogs" (as they're called in our area) >>eliminated from their fields. >> >>Nathan Collier wrote: >> >> >>>"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message >>>news:5tOdnVVMGMEX_xCiU-KYgw@magma.ca... >>> >>> >>>>Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters. >>> >>> >>>ive been a hunter for most of my life but just couldnt "feel good" about >>>watching them. whats the big deal with prarie dogs, are they >> > detrimental to > >>>wilderness areas or something? >>> >> > > |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
> A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a
> rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the > ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very > dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part > up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog > burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands > of dollars for each occurrence. Agreed. I've never questioned the validity of controlling the pests. I've seen rabbits just as damaging to cows and horses with their own burrows. I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the population control. Who brings high speed cameras out to a rodent shoot any ways? Not like we all need to see their skilled marksmanship? The rodents a no more than still targets in that open space anyway. Cheers! Perry GMP News wrote: > Groundhogs are a different animal then a prairie dog. A groundhog is > physically larger then a prairie dog. > Here is a link to check out a pic of a ground hog to compare the two. > > http://www.groundhogs.com/new_page_3.htm > > A farmer might not be paying to kill prairie dogs, but as for what a > rancher, that's a whole different story. Prairie dogs burrow holes in the > ground where ranchers graze their cattle on the open range. Holes are very > dangerous to the cattle, a big clumsy, stupid cow (not making that part > up... they are big and clumsy, and stupid) will step into a prairie dog > burrow and break its leg. This costs the rancher quite latterly thousands > of dollars for each occurrence. > > Greg > > > "FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message > news:K42cnX8HZOlF5hCiU-KYvQ@magma.ca... > >>I've been hunting for many years also >>and felt the same way (sick). I do know some >>hunters who would get a kick out of it. >> >>One particular person we nicknamed "Lester Splatter". >> >>As for the sport, I do know, a lot of farmers would pay >>to have the "Ground Hogs" (as they're called in our area) >>eliminated from their fields. >> >>Nathan Collier wrote: >> >> >>>"FrankW" <fworm@mxznorpak.ca> wrote in message >>>news:5tOdnVVMGMEX_xCiU-KYgw@magma.ca... >>> >>> >>>>Please note: These clips are quite graphic for non hunters. >>> >>> >>>ive been a hunter for most of my life but just couldnt "feel good" about >>>watching them. whats the big deal with prarie dogs, are they >> > detrimental to > >>>wilderness areas or something? >>> >> > > |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
> I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were
> more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. > Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an > inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal > where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. > And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, > hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the > population control. > I agree that a .22 caliber is all you need. But a rimfire .22LR just doesn't cut it for anything past 50-75 yards. It loses too much velocity and knock-down power, especially on the bigger varmints past that range. A centerfire .22 caliber such as a .22-250, .222, .223, .22PPC, or .220 Swift is the ticket. Terry. |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
> I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were
> more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. > Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an > inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal > where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. > And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, > hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the > population control. > I agree that a .22 caliber is all you need. But a rimfire .22LR just doesn't cut it for anything past 50-75 yards. It loses too much velocity and knock-down power, especially on the bigger varmints past that range. A centerfire .22 caliber such as a .22-250, .222, .223, .22PPC, or .220 Swift is the ticket. Terry. |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
> I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were
> more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. > Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an > inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal > where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. > And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, > hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the > population control. > I agree that a .22 caliber is all you need. But a rimfire .22LR just doesn't cut it for anything past 50-75 yards. It loses too much velocity and knock-down power, especially on the bigger varmints past that range. A centerfire .22 caliber such as a .22-250, .222, .223, .22PPC, or .220 Swift is the ticket. Terry. |
Re: O.T. Ping Nathan... Rat hunting in Montana
Approximately 10/18/03 09:09, Terry Jeffrey uttered for posterity:
>> I've only stated the folks in the video and referenced web sites were >> more in it for the carnage than worrying about the ranchers concerns. >> Again, whether it be a larger ground hog or a prairie dog, an >> inexpensive .22 long shot in the head is only going to drop the animal >> where it stands with little to no carnage and allow more local kills. >> And if these folks can't do it with out heavy loads, jacketed rounds, >> hollowed points and larger caliber guns, then there not in it for the >> population control. >> > I agree that a .22 caliber is all you need. But a rimfire .22LR just > doesn't cut it for anything past 50-75 yards. It loses too much velocity > and knock-down power, especially on the bigger varmints past that range. A > centerfire .22 caliber such as a .22-250, .222, .223, .22PPC, or .220 Swift > is the ticket. As long as there is no wind, which isn't that often the case out in the west. Stuff like the .25-06 and .22-250 also tends to fall off in accuracy even in light wind as you get out past 200-250 yards compared to a longer more aerodynamic round. One factor too often neglected in the caliber wars is that the light ones have a really really bad habit of leaving wounded animals behind. Without getting into the ethics of shooting them in the first place, if you *are* gonna do it, at least have the decency to ensure that they go out as quickly and reliably as possible rather than attempting to prove just how good your skills are with an inappropriate weapon. Of course if you have a 24X Leupold and good shooting style, you can always go for a .50 sniper rifle and take them out at half a mile or so in a hurricane. -- My governor can kick your governor's ass |
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