novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
own and would use for recovery.
To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
do it.
I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
"Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
No
> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
>
> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> n.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
own and would use for recovery.
To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
do it.
I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
"Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
No
> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
>
> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> n.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
own and would use for recovery.
To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
do it.
I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
"Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
No
> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
>
> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> n.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
own and would use for recovery.
To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
do it.
I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
"Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
No
> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
>
> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> n.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
own and would use for recovery.
To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
do it.
I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
"Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
No
> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
>
> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> n.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
own and would use for recovery.
To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
do it.
I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
"Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
No
> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
>
> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> n.
>
>
>
> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
If you look, you will find holes the frame behind the rear tires that are
used to attach hooks on the back or your TJ.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qs6dnYTkVYOodVfcRVn-tA@rogers.com...
> Speaking of Tow hooks, I've got a set in the front, but what with the new
> job and the crappy ploughed road we have to drive up (not city
maintained --
> easement) it gets icy and a couple people have ended up in the ditch; and
me
> being the only truck there....well, the fronts are nice, but I want rears
> too.
> I've got the stock bumper with a bolt on hitch (not part of the bumper).
> I went to JustJeeps in Toronto and was trying to find a pair of those
> sideways hooks for mounting in the rear!
> The guy happened to have one, but 2 is nice! Anyhow, he called the
supplier
> and they're no longer an OEM product.
> Guess DC is letting the aftermarket do its thing!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC686.F9F16BF@sympatico.ca...
> > Well...... That is somewhat of a problem.......
> >
> > There really 'is' no safe place to hook a ****** strap to a 'stock' car
> > or a Jeep for that matter unless tow hooks have been properly mounted.
> >
> > On cars, there are no bumpers anymore, no frame, no solid hook points.
> > You can wrap it around a trailing arm for a rear wheel or a control arm
> > in the front, but if you have to pull too hard, damage will occur, same
> > for a rear axle or shackle or trailer hitch even.
> >
> > To be honest, pulling cars is best left to tow trucks with their
> > liability insurance.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Nathan Otis wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> >> either
> >> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> >> No
> >> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >>
> >> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> >> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> >> n.
> >>
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
used to attach hooks on the back or your TJ.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qs6dnYTkVYOodVfcRVn-tA@rogers.com...
> Speaking of Tow hooks, I've got a set in the front, but what with the new
> job and the crappy ploughed road we have to drive up (not city
maintained --
> easement) it gets icy and a couple people have ended up in the ditch; and
me
> being the only truck there....well, the fronts are nice, but I want rears
> too.
> I've got the stock bumper with a bolt on hitch (not part of the bumper).
> I went to JustJeeps in Toronto and was trying to find a pair of those
> sideways hooks for mounting in the rear!
> The guy happened to have one, but 2 is nice! Anyhow, he called the
supplier
> and they're no longer an OEM product.
> Guess DC is letting the aftermarket do its thing!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC686.F9F16BF@sympatico.ca...
> > Well...... That is somewhat of a problem.......
> >
> > There really 'is' no safe place to hook a ****** strap to a 'stock' car
> > or a Jeep for that matter unless tow hooks have been properly mounted.
> >
> > On cars, there are no bumpers anymore, no frame, no solid hook points.
> > You can wrap it around a trailing arm for a rear wheel or a control arm
> > in the front, but if you have to pull too hard, damage will occur, same
> > for a rear axle or shackle or trailer hitch even.
> >
> > To be honest, pulling cars is best left to tow trucks with their
> > liability insurance.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Nathan Otis wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> >> either
> >> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> >> No
> >> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >>
> >> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> >> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> >> n.
> >>
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
If you look, you will find holes the frame behind the rear tires that are
used to attach hooks on the back or your TJ.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qs6dnYTkVYOodVfcRVn-tA@rogers.com...
> Speaking of Tow hooks, I've got a set in the front, but what with the new
> job and the crappy ploughed road we have to drive up (not city
maintained --
> easement) it gets icy and a couple people have ended up in the ditch; and
me
> being the only truck there....well, the fronts are nice, but I want rears
> too.
> I've got the stock bumper with a bolt on hitch (not part of the bumper).
> I went to JustJeeps in Toronto and was trying to find a pair of those
> sideways hooks for mounting in the rear!
> The guy happened to have one, but 2 is nice! Anyhow, he called the
supplier
> and they're no longer an OEM product.
> Guess DC is letting the aftermarket do its thing!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC686.F9F16BF@sympatico.ca...
> > Well...... That is somewhat of a problem.......
> >
> > There really 'is' no safe place to hook a ****** strap to a 'stock' car
> > or a Jeep for that matter unless tow hooks have been properly mounted.
> >
> > On cars, there are no bumpers anymore, no frame, no solid hook points.
> > You can wrap it around a trailing arm for a rear wheel or a control arm
> > in the front, but if you have to pull too hard, damage will occur, same
> > for a rear axle or shackle or trailer hitch even.
> >
> > To be honest, pulling cars is best left to tow trucks with their
> > liability insurance.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Nathan Otis wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> >> either
> >> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> >> No
> >> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >>
> >> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> >> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> >> n.
> >>
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
used to attach hooks on the back or your TJ.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qs6dnYTkVYOodVfcRVn-tA@rogers.com...
> Speaking of Tow hooks, I've got a set in the front, but what with the new
> job and the crappy ploughed road we have to drive up (not city
maintained --
> easement) it gets icy and a couple people have ended up in the ditch; and
me
> being the only truck there....well, the fronts are nice, but I want rears
> too.
> I've got the stock bumper with a bolt on hitch (not part of the bumper).
> I went to JustJeeps in Toronto and was trying to find a pair of those
> sideways hooks for mounting in the rear!
> The guy happened to have one, but 2 is nice! Anyhow, he called the
supplier
> and they're no longer an OEM product.
> Guess DC is letting the aftermarket do its thing!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC686.F9F16BF@sympatico.ca...
> > Well...... That is somewhat of a problem.......
> >
> > There really 'is' no safe place to hook a ****** strap to a 'stock' car
> > or a Jeep for that matter unless tow hooks have been properly mounted.
> >
> > On cars, there are no bumpers anymore, no frame, no solid hook points.
> > You can wrap it around a trailing arm for a rear wheel or a control arm
> > in the front, but if you have to pull too hard, damage will occur, same
> > for a rear axle or shackle or trailer hitch even.
> >
> > To be honest, pulling cars is best left to tow trucks with their
> > liability insurance.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Nathan Otis wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> >> either
> >> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> >> No
> >> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >>
> >> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> >> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> >> n.
> >>
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
If you look, you will find holes the frame behind the rear tires that are
used to attach hooks on the back or your TJ.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qs6dnYTkVYOodVfcRVn-tA@rogers.com...
> Speaking of Tow hooks, I've got a set in the front, but what with the new
> job and the crappy ploughed road we have to drive up (not city
maintained --
> easement) it gets icy and a couple people have ended up in the ditch; and
me
> being the only truck there....well, the fronts are nice, but I want rears
> too.
> I've got the stock bumper with a bolt on hitch (not part of the bumper).
> I went to JustJeeps in Toronto and was trying to find a pair of those
> sideways hooks for mounting in the rear!
> The guy happened to have one, but 2 is nice! Anyhow, he called the
supplier
> and they're no longer an OEM product.
> Guess DC is letting the aftermarket do its thing!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC686.F9F16BF@sympatico.ca...
> > Well...... That is somewhat of a problem.......
> >
> > There really 'is' no safe place to hook a ****** strap to a 'stock' car
> > or a Jeep for that matter unless tow hooks have been properly mounted.
> >
> > On cars, there are no bumpers anymore, no frame, no solid hook points.
> > You can wrap it around a trailing arm for a rear wheel or a control arm
> > in the front, but if you have to pull too hard, damage will occur, same
> > for a rear axle or shackle or trailer hitch even.
> >
> > To be honest, pulling cars is best left to tow trucks with their
> > liability insurance.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Nathan Otis wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> >> either
> >> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> >> No
> >> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >>
> >> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> >> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> >> n.
> >>
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
used to attach hooks on the back or your TJ.
"SteveBrady" <steve.brady@(remove this)rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qs6dnYTkVYOodVfcRVn-tA@rogers.com...
> Speaking of Tow hooks, I've got a set in the front, but what with the new
> job and the crappy ploughed road we have to drive up (not city
maintained --
> easement) it gets icy and a couple people have ended up in the ditch; and
me
> being the only truck there....well, the fronts are nice, but I want rears
> too.
> I've got the stock bumper with a bolt on hitch (not part of the bumper).
> I went to JustJeeps in Toronto and was trying to find a pair of those
> sideways hooks for mounting in the rear!
> The guy happened to have one, but 2 is nice! Anyhow, he called the
supplier
> and they're no longer an OEM product.
> Guess DC is letting the aftermarket do its thing!
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41CAC686.F9F16BF@sympatico.ca...
> > Well...... That is somewhat of a problem.......
> >
> > There really 'is' no safe place to hook a ****** strap to a 'stock' car
> > or a Jeep for that matter unless tow hooks have been properly mounted.
> >
> > On cars, there are no bumpers anymore, no frame, no solid hook points.
> > You can wrap it around a trailing arm for a rear wheel or a control arm
> > in the front, but if you have to pull too hard, damage will occur, same
> > for a rear axle or shackle or trailer hitch even.
> >
> > To be honest, pulling cars is best left to tow trucks with their
> > liability insurance.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Nathan Otis wrote:
> >>
> >> Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone
> >> either
> >> says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the
strap".
> >> No
> >> one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >>
> >> Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> >> standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> >> n.
> >>
> >> "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> >> news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
>
>
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
Thanks for clarifying Jeff.
A 4' 'tree saver' strap comes to my mind for that purpose. If the
person wants the tow, he can cover the cost of a new one of those if it
gets damaged.
I 'have' damaged straps on recoveries. It happens. I have a winch now
but still carry the strap.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
>
> Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
> strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
>
> Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
> indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
> stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
> can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
> destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
>
> If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
> elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
> chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
> the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
> that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
>
> I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
> As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
> asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
> likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
> own and would use for recovery.
>
> To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
> recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
> intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
> pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
> certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
> another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
> roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
> do it.
>
> I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
> recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
> a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
>
> "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
> No
> > one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >
> > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
> >
> >
A 4' 'tree saver' strap comes to my mind for that purpose. If the
person wants the tow, he can cover the cost of a new one of those if it
gets damaged.
I 'have' damaged straps on recoveries. It happens. I have a winch now
but still carry the strap.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
>
> Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
> strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
>
> Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
> indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
> stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
> can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
> destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
>
> If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
> elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
> chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
> the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
> that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
>
> I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
> As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
> asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
> likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
> own and would use for recovery.
>
> To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
> recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
> intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
> pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
> certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
> another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
> roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
> do it.
>
> I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
> recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
> a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
>
> "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
> No
> > one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >
> > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
> >
> >
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
Thanks for clarifying Jeff.
A 4' 'tree saver' strap comes to my mind for that purpose. If the
person wants the tow, he can cover the cost of a new one of those if it
gets damaged.
I 'have' damaged straps on recoveries. It happens. I have a winch now
but still carry the strap.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
>
> Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
> strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
>
> Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
> indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
> stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
> can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
> destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
>
> If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
> elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
> chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
> the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
> that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
>
> I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
> As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
> asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
> likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
> own and would use for recovery.
>
> To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
> recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
> intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
> pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
> certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
> another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
> roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
> do it.
>
> I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
> recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
> a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
>
> "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
> No
> > one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >
> > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
> >
> >
A 4' 'tree saver' strap comes to my mind for that purpose. If the
person wants the tow, he can cover the cost of a new one of those if it
gets damaged.
I 'have' damaged straps on recoveries. It happens. I have a winch now
but still carry the strap.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
>
> Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
> strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
>
> Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
> indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
> stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
> can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
> destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
>
> If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
> elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
> chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
> the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
> that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
>
> I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
> As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
> asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
> likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
> own and would use for recovery.
>
> To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
> recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
> intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
> pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
> certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
> another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
> roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
> do it.
>
> I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
> recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
> a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
>
> "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
> No
> > one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >
> > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
> >
> >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
Thanks for clarifying Jeff.
A 4' 'tree saver' strap comes to my mind for that purpose. If the
person wants the tow, he can cover the cost of a new one of those if it
gets damaged.
I 'have' damaged straps on recoveries. It happens. I have a winch now
but still carry the strap.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
>
> Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
> strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
>
> Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
> indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
> stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
> can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
> destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
>
> If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
> elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
> chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
> the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
> that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
>
> I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
> As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
> asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
> likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
> own and would use for recovery.
>
> To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
> recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
> intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
> pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
> certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
> another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
> roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
> do it.
>
> I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
> recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
> a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
>
> "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
> No
> > one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >
> > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
> >
> >
A 4' 'tree saver' strap comes to my mind for that purpose. If the
person wants the tow, he can cover the cost of a new one of those if it
gets damaged.
I 'have' damaged straps on recoveries. It happens. I have a winch now
but still carry the strap.
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> I guess I need to clarify what I said, or what you guys might think I said.
>
> Using a chain as a recovery device is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a
> strap with a hook on the ends is also dangerous. Very dangerous.
>
> Having said that, there is a time and a way that a chain is a useful tool,
> indeed can be required if one is attempting recovery of a passenger that is
> stuck in snow or sand. I can't think of a long list of good times, in fact I
> can think of only one. That is where there is a very real danger of
> destroying the tow strap is it is attached directly to the object vehicle.
>
> If I think my strap is going to be damaged, and I can't simply attach it
> elsewhere to avoid the damage, then I have a short lenght of about 4 ft of
> chain that I double wrap around a suitable part of the frame, and through
> the eyelet on my strap. This will get my strap away from the sharp edge so
> that the car can be recovered from the snow bank or sand trap.
>
> I would NEVER use a chain to recover a Jeep that was stuck while wheeling.
> As Mike Romain says, that is a disaster waiting to happen. But the OP was
> asking how to use a Libby to pull people out of the snow, and there is not
> likely to be enough stored energy to break anything, at least nothing that I
> own and would use for recovery.
>
> To address Nathan, I always attach my stuff to the vehicles that I am
> recovering, IF those vehicles are not Jeepers that are known to me to be
> intelligent and safety conscious. When I am pulling some guy back to the
> pavement because he took his Maxima into a dry creek bed, I am pretty
> certain he has no clue where to attach a recovery device of any kind. Like
> another poster suggested, tongue in cheek of course, have them close the sun
> roof on the strap, and hang on to it while you pull, and they would probably
> do it.
>
> I want to be on record along side Mike R., using a chain is dangerous for
> recoveries in offroading situations. But, one can safely use a chain to get
> a car from the sand or snow, and save damaging a strap.
>
> "Nathan Otis" <na@smeat.spam.net> wrote in message
> news:32upl2F3qr7m6U1@individual.net...
> > Ya know, when this topic comes up (and it comes up a lot), everyone either
> > says, "Let them attach the strap" or, "NEVER let them attach the strap".
> No
> > one ever says where to attach the strap to...
> >
> > Anyone wanna break the silence? Cause I'd really like to know. On yer
> > standard issue sedan, what do you hook up to?
> > n.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message
> > news:10sjo0698j1ira9@corp.supernews.com...
> > > First, You and I might know where to attach a strap...
> >
> >
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Re: novice question on getting a stuck vehicle out
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41CB2785.10CF7AB1@sympatico.ca...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:41CAC4B8.F0D33A8A@sympatico.ca...
>> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
>> > >
>> > If I have to, I use
>> > > a chain to get to both sides of the frame, then hook my strap to the
>> chain.
>> > > The chain is strong enough for the load, and I route the chain
>> > > through
>> the
>> > > loop on the end of my strap.
>> >
>> >
>> > Jeff!!!!!
>> >
>> > You are advocating the biggest no no ever to do here bud!
>> >
>> > Folks, NEVER add a metal chain or any other piece of metal to a looped
>> > tow strap!
>> >
>> > The last person we heard of doing this is now pushing up daisies, may
>> > he
>> > RIP.
>>
>> You are not picturing it right Mike.
>>
>> What is going on here is, 1.) we are talking about getting a car that is
>> stuck in the snow on the side of the road, and 2.) it can have sharp
>> edges
>> on the under carriage that can damage a strap. I use a short length of
>> chain
>> to go around the frame at least twice to create a "soft" anchor point
>> that
>> will not harm the strap. That is all. The only goal is to create an
>> anchor
>> point that will prevent damage to the strap.
>
> I am picturing a loose hook on the end of a strap going ballistic is
> all....
I understand. That is a scary picture to be sure, but that is not what I am
suggesting here.