Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn Balls!
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Jerry McG did pass the time by typing:
>>> But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>>> behind. <<
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
Actually it's mostly because of the seasonal switch to production of home
heating oil instead of diesel. Both are essentially the same process and you
can't split one from the other like you can diesel/gasoline they are just too
close. Also diesel is under pressure to go "botique". Special blends for
every damn jurisdiction.
Basically because of the loss of gulf platforms we are farked for the next
few years till they can rebuild. Lost a lot of oil production when those
platforms were sunk.
--
DougW
>>> But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>>> behind. <<
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
Actually it's mostly because of the seasonal switch to production of home
heating oil instead of diesel. Both are essentially the same process and you
can't split one from the other like you can diesel/gasoline they are just too
close. Also diesel is under pressure to go "botique". Special blends for
every damn jurisdiction.
Basically because of the loss of gulf platforms we are farked for the next
few years till they can rebuild. Lost a lot of oil production when those
platforms were sunk.
--
DougW
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Jerry McG did pass the time by typing:
>>> But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>>> behind. <<
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
Actually it's mostly because of the seasonal switch to production of home
heating oil instead of diesel. Both are essentially the same process and you
can't split one from the other like you can diesel/gasoline they are just too
close. Also diesel is under pressure to go "botique". Special blends for
every damn jurisdiction.
Basically because of the loss of gulf platforms we are farked for the next
few years till they can rebuild. Lost a lot of oil production when those
platforms were sunk.
--
DougW
>>> But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>>> behind. <<
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
Actually it's mostly because of the seasonal switch to production of home
heating oil instead of diesel. Both are essentially the same process and you
can't split one from the other like you can diesel/gasoline they are just too
close. Also diesel is under pressure to go "botique". Special blends for
every damn jurisdiction.
Basically because of the loss of gulf platforms we are farked for the next
few years till they can rebuild. Lost a lot of oil production when those
platforms were sunk.
--
DougW
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Hi Jerry,
The price of petroleum products, like everything else has always
been ruled by supply and demand, and until the late sixties gasoline was
a useless byproduct of kerosene, so until the shortage of '73 it
retailed in California for 26¢ a gallon. The ratio of what products we
can refine from a barrel of crude are constant, and crack by weight, the
proportions are very much like this diagram:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm The heavy
ends at the bottom of a five hundred foot tower are at eight hundred
pounds per square inch, and hot!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
> >
> > -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
The price of petroleum products, like everything else has always
been ruled by supply and demand, and until the late sixties gasoline was
a useless byproduct of kerosene, so until the shortage of '73 it
retailed in California for 26¢ a gallon. The ratio of what products we
can refine from a barrel of crude are constant, and crack by weight, the
proportions are very much like this diagram:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm The heavy
ends at the bottom of a five hundred foot tower are at eight hundred
pounds per square inch, and hot!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
> >
> > -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Hi Jerry,
The price of petroleum products, like everything else has always
been ruled by supply and demand, and until the late sixties gasoline was
a useless byproduct of kerosene, so until the shortage of '73 it
retailed in California for 26¢ a gallon. The ratio of what products we
can refine from a barrel of crude are constant, and crack by weight, the
proportions are very much like this diagram:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm The heavy
ends at the bottom of a five hundred foot tower are at eight hundred
pounds per square inch, and hot!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
> >
> > -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
The price of petroleum products, like everything else has always
been ruled by supply and demand, and until the late sixties gasoline was
a useless byproduct of kerosene, so until the shortage of '73 it
retailed in California for 26¢ a gallon. The ratio of what products we
can refine from a barrel of crude are constant, and crack by weight, the
proportions are very much like this diagram:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm The heavy
ends at the bottom of a five hundred foot tower are at eight hundred
pounds per square inch, and hot!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
> >
> > -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Hi Jerry,
The price of petroleum products, like everything else has always
been ruled by supply and demand, and until the late sixties gasoline was
a useless byproduct of kerosene, so until the shortage of '73 it
retailed in California for 26¢ a gallon. The ratio of what products we
can refine from a barrel of crude are constant, and crack by weight, the
proportions are very much like this diagram:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm The heavy
ends at the bottom of a five hundred foot tower are at eight hundred
pounds per square inch, and hot!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
> >
> > -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
The price of petroleum products, like everything else has always
been ruled by supply and demand, and until the late sixties gasoline was
a useless byproduct of kerosene, so until the shortage of '73 it
retailed in California for 26¢ a gallon. The ratio of what products we
can refine from a barrel of crude are constant, and crack by weight, the
proportions are very much like this diagram:
http://www.energyinst.org.uk/educati...as/chemist.htm The heavy
ends at the bottom of a five hundred foot tower are at eight hundred
pounds per square inch, and hot!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> Apprently in resopnse to increased sales of diesels, in the Southwest is now
> more expensive than regular. Considering diesel is about the second step in
> the refining process, this is pure ---- penetration on the part of the oil
> companies. I'm told if you just let crude oil sit in the right conditions,
> kerosene floats to the top. Diesel is simply filtered kerosene. This is
> going to get worse, as US refineries must reduce the sulphur content in
> diesl to match Europe, etc. They'll use this as an ecuse to price it about
> where premium is now and will kill the passenger car/light truck diesel once
> again.
> >
> > -Bill (remove "botizer" to reply via email)
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Wblane proclaimed:
> I know this is probably going to get me in trouble here but:
>
> I has always heard diesel engines had more low-end torque and diesel gets
> better MPG. If that's true why couldn't they just add a catcon or something to
> bring the emissions in line?
A diesel is inherently more efficient simply because it is a better
heat engine.
As for adding a cat convertor, the problem with diesel is that even
the cleanest modern high pressure Euro styles have a problem with
producing aerosol emissions that have a worse greenhouse effect than
the CO2/CO from gas engines. The filter would be more of a
particulate trap than anything else. The high voltage style of
trap used on smelter chimneys would be a bit of trouble to implement
in a vehicle--but not impossible. A simple mechanical trap would work
if the issues of detecting clogging, operation at exhaust temps, and
periodic service can be solved.
A diesel has more torque due to the higher combustion pressure...you
*could* do the same with a conventional 4 cycle engine but would have
a bit of problem controlling the flame front.
> I know this is probably going to get me in trouble here but:
>
> I has always heard diesel engines had more low-end torque and diesel gets
> better MPG. If that's true why couldn't they just add a catcon or something to
> bring the emissions in line?
A diesel is inherently more efficient simply because it is a better
heat engine.
As for adding a cat convertor, the problem with diesel is that even
the cleanest modern high pressure Euro styles have a problem with
producing aerosol emissions that have a worse greenhouse effect than
the CO2/CO from gas engines. The filter would be more of a
particulate trap than anything else. The high voltage style of
trap used on smelter chimneys would be a bit of trouble to implement
in a vehicle--but not impossible. A simple mechanical trap would work
if the issues of detecting clogging, operation at exhaust temps, and
periodic service can be solved.
A diesel has more torque due to the higher combustion pressure...you
*could* do the same with a conventional 4 cycle engine but would have
a bit of problem controlling the flame front.
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Wblane proclaimed:
> I know this is probably going to get me in trouble here but:
>
> I has always heard diesel engines had more low-end torque and diesel gets
> better MPG. If that's true why couldn't they just add a catcon or something to
> bring the emissions in line?
A diesel is inherently more efficient simply because it is a better
heat engine.
As for adding a cat convertor, the problem with diesel is that even
the cleanest modern high pressure Euro styles have a problem with
producing aerosol emissions that have a worse greenhouse effect than
the CO2/CO from gas engines. The filter would be more of a
particulate trap than anything else. The high voltage style of
trap used on smelter chimneys would be a bit of trouble to implement
in a vehicle--but not impossible. A simple mechanical trap would work
if the issues of detecting clogging, operation at exhaust temps, and
periodic service can be solved.
A diesel has more torque due to the higher combustion pressure...you
*could* do the same with a conventional 4 cycle engine but would have
a bit of problem controlling the flame front.
> I know this is probably going to get me in trouble here but:
>
> I has always heard diesel engines had more low-end torque and diesel gets
> better MPG. If that's true why couldn't they just add a catcon or something to
> bring the emissions in line?
A diesel is inherently more efficient simply because it is a better
heat engine.
As for adding a cat convertor, the problem with diesel is that even
the cleanest modern high pressure Euro styles have a problem with
producing aerosol emissions that have a worse greenhouse effect than
the CO2/CO from gas engines. The filter would be more of a
particulate trap than anything else. The high voltage style of
trap used on smelter chimneys would be a bit of trouble to implement
in a vehicle--but not impossible. A simple mechanical trap would work
if the issues of detecting clogging, operation at exhaust temps, and
periodic service can be solved.
A diesel has more torque due to the higher combustion pressure...you
*could* do the same with a conventional 4 cycle engine but would have
a bit of problem controlling the flame front.
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
Wblane proclaimed:
> I know this is probably going to get me in trouble here but:
>
> I has always heard diesel engines had more low-end torque and diesel gets
> better MPG. If that's true why couldn't they just add a catcon or something to
> bring the emissions in line?
A diesel is inherently more efficient simply because it is a better
heat engine.
As for adding a cat convertor, the problem with diesel is that even
the cleanest modern high pressure Euro styles have a problem with
producing aerosol emissions that have a worse greenhouse effect than
the CO2/CO from gas engines. The filter would be more of a
particulate trap than anything else. The high voltage style of
trap used on smelter chimneys would be a bit of trouble to implement
in a vehicle--but not impossible. A simple mechanical trap would work
if the issues of detecting clogging, operation at exhaust temps, and
periodic service can be solved.
A diesel has more torque due to the higher combustion pressure...you
*could* do the same with a conventional 4 cycle engine but would have
a bit of problem controlling the flame front.
> I know this is probably going to get me in trouble here but:
>
> I has always heard diesel engines had more low-end torque and diesel gets
> better MPG. If that's true why couldn't they just add a catcon or something to
> bring the emissions in line?
A diesel is inherently more efficient simply because it is a better
heat engine.
As for adding a cat convertor, the problem with diesel is that even
the cleanest modern high pressure Euro styles have a problem with
producing aerosol emissions that have a worse greenhouse effect than
the CO2/CO from gas engines. The filter would be more of a
particulate trap than anything else. The high voltage style of
trap used on smelter chimneys would be a bit of trouble to implement
in a vehicle--but not impossible. A simple mechanical trap would work
if the issues of detecting clogging, operation at exhaust temps, and
periodic service can be solved.
A diesel has more torque due to the higher combustion pressure...you
*could* do the same with a conventional 4 cycle engine but would have
a bit of problem controlling the flame front.
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
On 02 Oct 2004 21:19:16 GMT, steelgtr62@aol.com (Steelgtr62) wrote:
> Whatever the rest of North America decides, I want a diesel TJ. Right or
>wrong. But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>behind.
Excuse, me, but when I bought gas last night at $1.81 per gal(for reg
unleaded), I happened to notice that the diesel was 3¢ higher than
premium @ $2.04/gal.
Why would I want to pay higher prices for stinkie fuel?
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
> Whatever the rest of North America decides, I want a diesel TJ. Right or
>wrong. But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>behind.
Excuse, me, but when I bought gas last night at $1.81 per gal(for reg
unleaded), I happened to notice that the diesel was 3¢ higher than
premium @ $2.04/gal.
Why would I want to pay higher prices for stinkie fuel?
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
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Re: Novak Still Lying -What Goddamn *****!
On 02 Oct 2004 21:19:16 GMT, steelgtr62@aol.com (Steelgtr62) wrote:
> Whatever the rest of North America decides, I want a diesel TJ. Right or
>wrong. But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>behind.
Excuse, me, but when I bought gas last night at $1.81 per gal(for reg
unleaded), I happened to notice that the diesel was 3¢ higher than
premium @ $2.04/gal.
Why would I want to pay higher prices for stinkie fuel?
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
> Whatever the rest of North America decides, I want a diesel TJ. Right or
>wrong. But when fuel here is priced like fuel in Europe, you'll be following
>behind.
Excuse, me, but when I bought gas last night at $1.81 per gal(for reg
unleaded), I happened to notice that the diesel was 3¢ higher than
premium @ $2.04/gal.
Why would I want to pay higher prices for stinkie fuel?
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51
