Much difference between 30's and 31's?
03-02-2004, 10:29 PM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
In <4045049E.81D244C9@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> Yup, that's Jeff told us. And what do all four cylinders come
> with? You want Jeff to throw away his 30" BFG tires after only
> having a quarter use of them?
I just misundertood that part of your post, thinking that you believed
his Jeep to be a 2.5L. Actually I don't really care what he does with
his 30 inchers, I was just saying that 31" would be a step in the right
direction for his engine and gearing. My real opinion is that if he had
bought a Jeep with 3.73s to begin with he would have been a lot happier
waiting until it is convenient for him to lift the Jeep and install the
tires he really wants. He got to where he is now by half measures (
first with the 30s, then the regear) and another half measure will still
be sub optimal, but he'd at least be happier with the 31s than he is
with the 30s. Whether that is enough to justify the expense is a
question for the man in the mirror.
It is questions like this that make me glad I custom ordered my Jeep the
way I wanted it, or at least as close as Daimler would build for me.
With 3.73 gears, 30" tires, a truetrac in front and a trashlock/d35c(rap)
in the rear, it is a reasonably well balanced rig that I am happy
driving on and off road.
At some point I'd like to upgrade to 32" tires, regear to 4.10, install
an electrac equipped D44 and a 2-3" lift but doing any one of those mods
without the others would turn the Jeep into something I wouldn't be
happy with. So I will wait until I can do them all at once. All that
because I want ABS, which Daimler won't give you with the D44, although
the aftermarket will at 4 times the price (plus shipping to Alaska).
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> Yup, that's Jeff told us. And what do all four cylinders come
> with? You want Jeff to throw away his 30" BFG tires after only
> having a quarter use of them?
I just misundertood that part of your post, thinking that you believed
his Jeep to be a 2.5L. Actually I don't really care what he does with
his 30 inchers, I was just saying that 31" would be a step in the right
direction for his engine and gearing. My real opinion is that if he had
bought a Jeep with 3.73s to begin with he would have been a lot happier
waiting until it is convenient for him to lift the Jeep and install the
tires he really wants. He got to where he is now by half measures (
first with the 30s, then the regear) and another half measure will still
be sub optimal, but he'd at least be happier with the 31s than he is
with the 30s. Whether that is enough to justify the expense is a
question for the man in the mirror.
It is questions like this that make me glad I custom ordered my Jeep the
way I wanted it, or at least as close as Daimler would build for me.
With 3.73 gears, 30" tires, a truetrac in front and a trashlock/d35c(rap)
in the rear, it is a reasonably well balanced rig that I am happy
driving on and off road.
At some point I'd like to upgrade to 32" tires, regear to 4.10, install
an electrac equipped D44 and a 2-3" lift but doing any one of those mods
without the others would turn the Jeep into something I wouldn't be
happy with. So I will wait until I can do them all at once. All that
because I want ABS, which Daimler won't give you with the D44, although
the aftermarket will at 4 times the price (plus shipping to Alaska).
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03-03-2004, 12:51 AM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
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> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
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03-03-2004, 12:51 AM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
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> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
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03-03-2004, 12:51 AM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
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> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
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03-03-2004, 10:43 AM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
Hi Del,
And in the old days the same size tire could be anything. These
nylon bias 11.50X15 Armstrong TruTracs ( no longer made) could be 30"
new to 33" on a hot day as pictured:
http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
> Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
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And in the old days the same size tire could be anything. These
nylon bias 11.50X15 Armstrong TruTracs ( no longer made) could be 30"
new to 33" on a hot day as pictured:
http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
> Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
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03-03-2004, 10:43 AM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
Hi Del,
And in the old days the same size tire could be anything. These
nylon bias 11.50X15 Armstrong TruTracs ( no longer made) could be 30"
new to 33" on a hot day as pictured:
http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
> Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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And in the old days the same size tire could be anything. These
nylon bias 11.50X15 Armstrong TruTracs ( no longer made) could be 30"
new to 33" on a hot day as pictured:
http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
> Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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03-03-2004, 10:43 AM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
Hi Del,
And in the old days the same size tire could be anything. These
nylon bias 11.50X15 Armstrong TruTracs ( no longer made) could be 30"
new to 33" on a hot day as pictured:
http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
> Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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And in the old days the same size tire could be anything. These
nylon bias 11.50X15 Armstrong TruTracs ( no longer made) could be 30"
new to 33" on a hot day as pictured:
http://www.----------.com/46jeep.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
> Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
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03-03-2004, 10:17 PM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
On 3 Mar 2004 05:51:26 GMT, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
>
>> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
>> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
>> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
>
>You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
>Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
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Just checked Goodyears site for specs on their MT tires:
31X10.50R15LT is 30.7
30X9.50R15LT is 29.7
But I do understand what you're driving at, and it's true sometimes.
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
>
>> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
>> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
>> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
>
>You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
>Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
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Just checked Goodyears site for specs on their MT tires:
31X10.50R15LT is 30.7
30X9.50R15LT is 29.7
But I do understand what you're driving at, and it's true sometimes.
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
03-03-2004, 10:17 PM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
On 3 Mar 2004 05:51:26 GMT, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
>
>> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
>> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
>> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
>
>You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
>Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
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Just checked Goodyears site for specs on their MT tires:
31X10.50R15LT is 30.7
30X9.50R15LT is 29.7
But I do understand what you're driving at, and it's true sometimes.
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
>
>> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
>> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
>> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
>
>You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
>Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
>Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
>Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
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Just checked Goodyears site for specs on their MT tires:
31X10.50R15LT is 30.7
30X9.50R15LT is 29.7
But I do understand what you're driving at, and it's true sometimes.
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
03-03-2004, 10:17 PM
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Re: Much difference between 30's and 31's?
On 3 Mar 2004 05:51:26 GMT, Del Rawlins
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
>
>> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
>> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
>> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
>
>You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
>Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
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Just checked Goodyears site for specs on their MT tires:
31X10.50R15LT is 30.7
30X9.50R15LT is 29.7
But I do understand what you're driving at, and it's true sometimes.
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm
<del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org> wrote:
>In <glia405r6melrmafd7vg19dmg6eug29jqf@4ax.com> David C. Moller wrote:
>
>> True Del, but as I recall, he was talking about switching from BFG AT
>> 30's to BFG MT 31's. That's going to make the manufacturer variances
>> in sizes pretty much a wash IMO.
>
>You can see that kind of thing even with the same manufacturer.
>Goodyear's 30s are only 29.5" tall, while their 31s are really 31s.
>
>----------------------------------------------------
>Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
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>Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
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Just checked Goodyears site for specs on their MT tires:
31X10.50R15LT is 30.7
30X9.50R15LT is 29.7
But I do understand what you're driving at, and it's true sometimes.
Dave
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0p2es/david/index.htm