Tomes

Hmmm looks like NY has the ban but NJ does not. As I live in NJ, I get gas
in both states a lot. I have not seen any effect in either the Jeep or the
Sienna.
Tomes

"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
out
> on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>
> Scott
> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
> > .... and which states are which?
> >
> > "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> > news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
> >> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
> >> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
> >> fuel,
> >> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
> > In
> >> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
> > Ethyl
> >> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
> > with
> >> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to
an
> >> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
> > before
> >> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
> >> MTBE
> >> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
> >> it)
> >> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog
fuel
> >> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
idling,
> >> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
> > and
> >> his opinion seems very credible.
> >>
> >> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
> >>
> >> Scott
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Billzz

Well, I refuse! Oops. Did it again.

"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Billzz - this is generally a top posting NG by nature....
>
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
> news:eee04$435dc91b$9440b19b$11784@STARBAND.NET...
>> Well, since we are all top-posting now, ......
> <snip>
>
>

Billzz

Well, I refuse! Oops. Did it again.

"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Billzz - this is generally a top posting NG by nature....
>
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
> news:eee04$435dc91b$9440b19b$11784@STARBAND.NET...
>> Well, since we are all top-posting now, ......
> <snip>
>
>

Billzz

Well, I refuse! Oops. Did it again.

"Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:A9A8f.1585$m81.1259@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> Billzz - this is generally a top posting NG by nature....
>
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
> news:eee04$435dc91b$9440b19b$11784@STARBAND.NET...
>> Well, since we are all top-posting now, ......
> <snip>
>
>

Jeff Strickland

MTBE is a huge polluter, that's H-U-G-E.

I haven't heard that MTBE and ethanol don't play well together. I don't
worry about such things though because I ONLY fill the tank with it's Empty.
I've got way too many things to do than stand around a gas station filling
my tank before it hits E.






"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
>but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states. In
>those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used -- Ethyl
>Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible with
>one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>before you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that
>when MTBE and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full
>will do it) the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will
>clog fuel filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>idling, and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC
>area and his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>

Jeff Strickland

MTBE is a huge polluter, that's H-U-G-E.

I haven't heard that MTBE and ethanol don't play well together. I don't
worry about such things though because I ONLY fill the tank with it's Empty.
I've got way too many things to do than stand around a gas station filling
my tank before it hits E.






"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
>but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states. In
>those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used -- Ethyl
>Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible with
>one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>before you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that
>when MTBE and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full
>will do it) the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will
>clog fuel filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>idling, and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC
>area and his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>

Jeff Strickland

MTBE is a huge polluter, that's H-U-G-E.

I haven't heard that MTBE and ethanol don't play well together. I don't
worry about such things though because I ONLY fill the tank with it's Empty.
I've got way too many things to do than stand around a gas station filling
my tank before it hits E.






"reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate fuel,
>but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states. In
>those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used -- Ethyl
>Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible with
>one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to an
>Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>before you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that
>when MTBE and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full
>will do it) the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will
>clog fuel filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>idling, and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC
>area and his opinion seems very credible.
>
> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>
> Scott
>

Jeff Strickland

"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
news:eee04$435dc91b$9440b19b$11784@STARBAND.NET...
> Well, since we are all top-posting now, I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee from
> Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
> to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
> and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
> transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug
> up, from 2002 to the present.
>
> No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
> visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at
> 13,000 ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the
> computer takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000
> miles and no problems.
>

That's Salton Sea, and it's something like 268 feet below seal level.






> MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy
> in a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible
> difference. Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same,
> from year to year.
>
> I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
> Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
> answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
>
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
>> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
>> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
>> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>>
>> Scott
>> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>>> .... and which states are which?
>>>
>>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>>> fuel,
>>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>>> In
>>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>>> Ethyl
>>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>>> with
>>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to
>>>> an
>>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>>> before
>>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>>> MTBE
>>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>>> it)
>>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog
>>>> fuel
>>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>>> idling,
>>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>>> and
>>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jeff Strickland

"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
news:eee04$435dc91b$9440b19b$11784@STARBAND.NET...
> Well, since we are all top-posting now, I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee from
> Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
> to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
> and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
> transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug
> up, from 2002 to the present.
>
> No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
> visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at
> 13,000 ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the
> computer takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000
> miles and no problems.
>

That's Salton Sea, and it's something like 268 feet below seal level.






> MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy
> in a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible
> difference. Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same,
> from year to year.
>
> I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
> Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
> answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
>
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
>> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
>> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
>> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>>
>> Scott
>> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>>> .... and which states are which?
>>>
>>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>>> fuel,
>>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>>> In
>>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>>> Ethyl
>>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>>> with
>>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to
>>>> an
>>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>>> before
>>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>>> MTBE
>>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>>> it)
>>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog
>>>> fuel
>>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>>> idling,
>>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>>> and
>>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Jeff Strickland

"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote in message
news:eee04$435dc91b$9440b19b$11784@STARBAND.NET...
> Well, since we are all top-posting now, I drove a Jeep Grand Cherokee from
> Dallas (no MTBE) to Sacramento (MTBE) each year, for Memorial Day weekend,
> to visit the Traditional Jazz Jubilee, from 1999 to 2002, when we retired
> and moved both Jeeps to California. So we have been through all of the
> transitions, 1999-2005 - even seen the California MTBE gas stations dug
> up, from 2002 to the present.
>
> No problem. Along the way to Sacramento I always took side trips. I
> visited the Rocky Mountains National Park (highest paved highway, at
> 13,000 ft.) and the Saltan Sea (somethng below sea level.) I think the
> computer takes care of this. My 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee now has 114,000
> miles and no problems.
>

That's Salton Sea, and it's something like 268 feet below seal level.






> MTBE may be a problem to humans, and ethanol reduces the amount of energy
> in a typical gallon, but my Jeep has not indicated any noticible
> difference. Even mpg (reported by the computer 17.2 mpg) seems the same,
> from year to year.
>
> I have a very, very excellent Jeep mechanic in Placerville, CA, Jim's
> Automotive, and if you are prepping for the Rubicon, he probably knows the
> answers. I don't do that stuff myself, but he seems to know.
>
>
> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
> news:11lr2782u5oomde@corp.supernews.com...
>> He did say, that it's a good idea to do a little research before heading
>> out on that interstate trip. I did a quick Goggle and found this:
>> http://www.epa.gov/mtbe/420b04009.pdf.
>>
>> Scott
>> "Tomes" <XXtomanml@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:LEf7f.18701$vw6.16485@newsread1.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
>>> .... and which states are which?
>>>
>>> "reconair" <reconair@staffnet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:11lr132avnsb279@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> I just heard an interesting thing on Goss' Garage Radio Show this past
>>>> weekend. He stated that MTBE is an additive that helps to oxygenate
>>>> fuel,
>>>> but it is a pollutant and as such has been banned in twenty-two states.
>>> In
>>>> those states (he didn't name them) the alternative to MTBE is used --
>>> Ethyl
>>>> Alcohol (Ethanol). He states that MTBE and Ethanol are not compatible
>>> with
>>>> one another and suggests that if your traveling from an MTBE state to
>>>> an
>>>> Ethanol state, you should make sure that your tank is very near empty
>>> before
>>>> you fill up. The reverse is also true. He went on to state that when
>>>> MTBE
>>>> and Ethanol are mixed in sufficient quantity (a half tank full will do
>>>> it)
>>>> the chemicals react and generate a gummy precipitate that will clog
>>>> fuel
>>>> filters and injectors sufficiently so to cause hard starts, rough
>>>> idling,
>>>> and even stalls. Ed Goss has a good reputation in the Maryland/DC area
>>> and
>>>> his opinion seems very credible.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone here heard something similar? Curious to know.
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>