Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
"API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
Carolina.
Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
motor oil.
Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
for the
respected viscosities."
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> The term "Extended Performance" doesn't mean sh*t! It's like "New,
> Blue Cheer" for the same old detergent. In order for your manufacturer
> to take a change on it, it must pass Society of Automotive Engineers and
> American Petroleum Institute's tests:
> http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf I re-posted
> the maintenance lube schedule, but this time with what Daimler want for
> rates: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf Basically the
> container must have the API of SL or SM and an SAE viscosity rating for
> you temperature area, in a circle emblem.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>>
>> I was just trying to figure out what the difference is and would EP harm
>> the
>> motor ("EP does not meet current D/C warranty requirements")*, whereas
>> "regular" Mobil 1 meets D/C new motor warranty requirements.
>>
>> Thanks for the discussion,
>>
>> Campbell
>>
>> * Reply from Mobil 1 Technical Customer Service from my same question to
>> them. I have no problem with using "regular" Mobil 1 or dino for that
>> matter. Just inquisitive...wanting to know.
"API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
Carolina.
Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
motor oil.
Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
for the
respected viscosities."
"L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:429E383A.8627DFC7@***.net...
> The term "Extended Performance" doesn't mean sh*t! It's like "New,
> Blue Cheer" for the same old detergent. In order for your manufacturer
> to take a change on it, it must pass Society of Automotive Engineers and
> American Petroleum Institute's tests:
> http://api-ep.api.org/filelibrary/AP...Guide_2004.pdf I re-posted
> the maintenance lube schedule, but this time with what Daimler want for
> rates: http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf Basically the
> container must have the API of SL or SM and an SAE viscosity rating for
> you temperature area, in a circle emblem.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>>
>> I was just trying to figure out what the difference is and would EP harm
>> the
>> motor ("EP does not meet current D/C warranty requirements")*, whereas
>> "regular" Mobil 1 meets D/C new motor warranty requirements.
>>
>> Thanks for the discussion,
>>
>> Campbell
>>
>> * Reply from Mobil 1 Technical Customer Service from my same question to
>> them. I have no problem with using "regular" Mobil 1 or dino for that
>> matter. Just inquisitive...wanting to know.
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
The "C" API rating is for diesels, an addition additive to
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
The "C" API rating is for diesels, an addition additive to
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
The "C" API rating is for diesels, an addition additive to
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
The "C" API rating is for diesels, an addition additive to
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
neutralize surfer and soot, naturally you wouldn't want that in a clean
running gasoline engine.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Campbell C Freeman wrote:
>
> Both Mobil 1 SuperSyn & Mobile 1 EP SAE 10W30, both have the API mark of
> "API Service SL/CF" in the "circle emblem" of which you speak.
>
> However, Mobil 1 EP does not say "Energy Conserving" in the bottom of the
> circle as does Mobil 1 SuperSyn (I knew this; it is the API SM & ILSAC GF-4
> rating certifying & establishing a motor oil as "Energy Conserving").
> Mobile 1 SuperSyn does not say API SM, but it does say "Energy Conserving."
> It also says: "... meets ILSAC GF-3...". Both bottles say 10W30 in the
> middle of the circle and that is what is called for in my climate: South
> Carolina.
>
> Exxon/Mobil has told me: "Mobil currently is not willing to sacrifice wear
> and durability for improved fuel economy on the Mobil1 Extended Performance
> motor oil.
> Classic Mobil1 motor oils are API "SM and meets (sic) GF-4 rquirements (sic)
> for the
> respected viscosities."
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > Then what is Oxygen? Or Carbon?
> Minerals, have you taken you minerals today?
What if the Oxygen is in one of my blood cells?
What if the Carbon is in a piece of lettuce that
I'm digesting?
__
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"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > Then what is Oxygen? Or Carbon?
> Minerals, have you taken you minerals today?
What if the Oxygen is in one of my blood cells?
What if the Carbon is in a piece of lettuce that
I'm digesting?
__
Steve
..
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > Then what is Oxygen? Or Carbon?
> Minerals, have you taken you minerals today?
What if the Oxygen is in one of my blood cells?
What if the Carbon is in a piece of lettuce that
I'm digesting?
__
Steve
..
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
> > Then what is Oxygen? Or Carbon?
> Minerals, have you taken you minerals today?
What if the Oxygen is in one of my blood cells?
What if the Carbon is in a piece of lettuce that
I'm digesting?
__
Steve
..
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Re: Mobile 1 & Moblie 1 EP Q
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Stephen Cowell wrote:
> >
>
> > I thought the site was very clear!
> >
> > " Defining the term "synthetic lubricant" is becoming more
> > controversial these days, but in general it refers to a lubricant
> > or grease whose basestock has been manufactured by
> > chemical synthesis or organic reaction, as opposed to
> > being extracted or refined from naturally occurring oils. "
> >
> > Is there something there you don't understand?
> The courts have let the legal definition of synthetic slide into
> meaning refined from petroleum basestocks, as we see at this site:
> http://www.1st-in-synthetics.com/articles7.htm
Nice link... read the whole thing. My understanding
was that refining oil makes smaller molecules, and
reformation makes bigger molecules... turns out that
the petrochemical industry puts *all* of its processes
under the heading of 'refining'.
The chemical industry is headed for the time when
we can create *anything* ouf of *anything*...
anyway, thanks for helping me learn something, Bill.
Synthetic oil can come from the ground.
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